Gaming Opinions for new computer

Fluto · Dec 30, 2010

First costum or pre-built,
I need a computer for running programs and games with the right graphics card for running a game like bioshock
Minimum 4g
I dont want the best because cheap.
Max: $800

I dont know computer Parts name or brand

Thanks 4 ur help.

Ps i no people posted this b4 but there should be new hard or prices of 2010/11

wessel261 · Dec 30, 2010

I have a good pc myself, was €575 for the time (excluding hdd which will cost around €80)
(in euros because I live in holland)
if you play games like bioshock, I get 100+ fps with this setup

(1280X1024, I have an old monitor

)

case: coolermaster HAF912 plus (extra 200mm fan on top coolermaster megaflow just because it looks cool)
motherboard: msi 870A-G54
cpu: AMD athlon x4 640 (3,0 ghz quad core)
gpu: ati sapphire 5770
psu: fatal!ty 550W
ram: 4 gig 1600mhz 8-8-8-28 geil value+ (running 1333 7-7-7-24 because I didn't fiddle around with my bios just yet)
hdd: to your liking

I think this is a good and cheap all round pc

Fluto · Dec 30, 2010

Should i just use any "how to build a costum pc" video off youtube? Or is there mor3 info?

wessel261 · Dec 30, 2010

well this was my first build too, so I invited a friend to build it with me
everything went right for me until the wiring on the motherboard
but after seeing this once I could do it again myself, it would just take some time to think about what goes where
I think you can better build with someone then to listen to a youtube movie

Saken · Dec 30, 2010

800 bucks wont run good games
For decent graphics, a $300 card is needed (at least)
So, yeh.

Originality · Dec 30, 2010

EDIT: Weird, my post disappeared.

Useful lil link from the last such thread: PC Buying Guide

$800 can build a PC capable of running any "good" game, depending on the parts you pick (EDIT2: Assuming that you don't have to buy a monitor and OS with that budget too). "Decent graphics" can be bought for as little as $80, although it's usually a better idea to get a mid-ranged card for $120-200. $300-400 is for the high-end range, which are only needed for "decent graphics" in high resolutions.

So, back to suggesting parts...

CPU: Anything cheap and capable, like the PhenomII series or Core i3/i5 series.
RAM: The cheapest 4GB kit you can find. 1333 or 1600Mhz doesn't make a difference unless you're overclocking.
MoBo: Anything compatible with your chosen CPU. MSI, Asus and Gigabyte are good manufacturers to look for (and I personally hate AsRock).
GPU: Something midranged, like the HD5770, HD6870, GTX 460 or GTX 470.
Case: Whatever looks good to you. I use an Antec 1200 because it can fit anything inside (i.e. the best graphics cards when I'm testing them) and has awesome airflow. Smaller and cheaper versions exist too.
PSU: Anything between 550-700W is good, so long as it has a well known brand. Non-branded PSUs usually smoke/fry/explode, seriously.
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3. Anything between 500GB-2TB, depending on how much money you want to put towards it. HDDs are cheap anyway.
ODD: Any cheap $18 DVD burner.

Things to consider: games depend on the graphics more than the processor. Intel CPUs handle around 30% more IPS (which is important for gaming) than equivolent priced AMD CPUs. SandyBridge CPUs (which'll also be called Core i3/i5) are being released in a week, so it may be worth waiting to see how they perform in benchmarks. EDIT3: Also, most games only use 2 cores, so that's all you need - quad cores are only useful for multi-tasking or running games/applications that are programmed to be multi-threaded (i.e. use all cores available).

Frederica Bernkastel · Dec 30, 2010

Sandy Bridge CPUs will require the 1155 socket, which does limit your choice of motherboard (although Asus have turned out some rather nice ones), however my main problem with it is that Intel have taken a step backwards and locked the multipliers.
Although if you are waiting, AMD revealed the BullDozer architecture last year, which is surprisingly for AMD rather promising. If you are willing to wait a while, you may want to check out some bulldozer CPUs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2872/amd

EDIT: I'm personally using an Lynnfield i5 760

Originality · Dec 30, 2010

They'll release 2 sets of CPUs - the K series will have an unlocked multiplier. With the current Clarkdale CPUs, the K series actually showed no improvement in overclockability, although we'll see how it turns out for the Sandybridge CPUs.

However many people don't overclock their systems, so getting the locked version will be best for them - TurboBoost will overclock it for them on the fly anyway, and it should be safer than a manual overclock. Cheaper too.

Saken · Dec 30, 2010

Originality said:
EDIT: Weird, my post disappeared.

Useful lil link from the last such thread: PC Buying Guide

$800 can build a PC capable of running any "good" game, depending on the parts you pick (EDIT: Assuming that you don't have to buy a monitor and OS with that budget too). "Decent graphics" can be bought for as little as $80, although it's usually a better idea to get a mid-ranged card for $120-200. $300-400 is for the high-end range, which are only needed for "decent graphics" in high resolutions.

So, back to suggesting parts...

CPU: Anything cheap and capable, like the PhenomII series or Core i3/i5 series.
RAM: The cheapest 4GB kit you can find. 1333 or 1600Mhz doesn't make a difference unless you're overclocking.
MoBo: Anything compatible with your chosen CPU. MSI, Asus and Gigabyte are good manufacturers to look for (and I personally hate AsRock).
GPU: Something midranged, like the HD5770, HD6870, GTX 460 or GTX 470.
Case: Whatever looks good to you. I use an Antec 1200 because it can fit anything inside (i.e. the best graphics cards when I'm testing them) and has awesome airflow. Smaller and cheaper versions exist too.
PSU: Anything between 550-700W is good, so long as it has a well known brand. Non-branded PSUs usually smoke/fry/explode, seriously.
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3. Anything between 500GB-2TB, depending on how much money you want to put towards it. HDDs are cheap anyway.
ODD: Any cheap $18 DVD burner.

Things to consider: games depend on the graphics more than the processor. Intel CPUs handle around 30% more IPS (which is important for gaming) than equivolent priced AMD CPUs. SandyBridge CPUs (which'll also be called Core i3/i5) are being released in a week, so it may be worth waiting to see how they perform in benchmarks.

Yeh no worries, the GTX 460/470 are way over 80 bucks.
By the way, i suggest saving more to get a computer more future proof... with 800 dollars, you'll need a new computer soon after to support the more demanding games as time passes, with the introduction of the whole 3D business..
By future proof, I mean a computer that is somewhat upgradable, for example, having a decent motherboard to upgrade the parts on it.
An $800 computer wont cut the cake judging by what i said.
In 1 year you will buy another $800 computer.. So in the end spending $1600 now will get you a computer that will last a while, and when you need new parts you will simply be able to upgrade instead of buying a whole new computer.

Berthenk · Dec 30, 2010

wessel261 said:
well this was my first build too, so I invited a friend to build it with me
everything went right for me until the wiring on the motherboard
but after seeing this once I could do it again myself, it would just take some time to think about what goes where
I think you can better build with someone then to listen to a youtube movie

About what goes where? If you don't know what goes where, you look in a manual...
Also, I can perfectly recommend watching a YouTube video.
Hell, I built my own computer after watching a few.

And once again, I agree with Originality.

Fluto · Dec 30, 2010

Well thanks
(i dont know what to say)

Should i buy parts off the internet or swapmeet\weekend markets

Also i need 2 make sure i dont spend too much i need some for my 3ds preorder

Originality · Dec 30, 2010

Saken said:
Yeh no worries, the GTX 460/470 are way over 80 bucks.
By the way, i suggest saving more to get a computer more future proof... with 800 dollars, you'll need a new computer soon after to support the more demanding games as time passes, with the introduction of the whole 3D business..
By future proof, I mean a computer that is somewhat upgradable, for example, having a decent motherboard to upgrade the parts on it.
An $800 computer wont cut the cake judging by what i said.
In 1 year you will buy another $800 computer.. So in the end spending $1600 now will get you a computer that will last a while, and when you need new parts you will simply be able to upgrade instead of buying a whole new computer.
QUOTE(mezut360 @ Dec 30 2010, 12:08 PM) I dont want the best because cheap.
Max: $800

He doesn't want the best, so "future-proofing" isn't a concern. Also, "cheap", so stick to the budget

EDIT: Also, I've helped someone build a computer with the best parts on the market for $1600 before. Chances are he won't use half the capability of the system - he just wanted bragging rights.

I didn't say a GTX 460 cost $80. The link I posted said it costs ~$180 USD. I suggested any mid-ranged graphics card somewhere between $120-200. Also such graphics cards should still be able to last any non-hardcore gamer for at least a couple years. Even in 4-5 years time, it should still be capable if playing at lower resolutions.

And as Antoligy pointed out, new CPU/motherboard series coming out soon for both Intel and AMD, so all current motherboards are already starting to become redundant in "future-proofing".

EDIT: Sometimes you can get the best deals at weekend markets, but you've also got to be careful with the quality of parts you're buying. They'll often try and talk you into buying parts which are either cheaper (and lower quality) or more expensive than you need. Just keep in mind the parts you really want, and the prices you can get online for them (including shipping).

myuusmeow · Dec 30, 2010

Modifying a build I posted before:

Athlon II X4 640 with free motherboard http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promot...undlePROMO.html $96 after mail in rebate
4GB RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231277 $52
Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811129021 $79 after mail in rebate
620W Modular Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817151095 $89
GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814500185 $349 after mail in rebate
500GB HD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822145299 $45
DVD drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827151192 $16
2x Sata cable http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...9-196-_-Product if needed $6

=$732. I think if you fiddled with this build some you could probably even squeeze a GTX 580 into your budget, but the GTX 570 can max out pretty much any game anyway, or squeeze in a Phenom II, or if you want go Intel with an i3 or i5.

@below: I meant i5, these parts should be able to be found at a Australian retailer

Originality · Dec 30, 2010

Why i3 or i7 and not i5?

Also does newegg ship to Australia? I think it'll cost more in Australian dollars than US anyway.

Fluto · Dec 31, 2010

I think ill go with wessel's type because its around $600 with not a quad core
Any way thanks for your help

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