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-mrc- · Apr 11, 2005

QUOTE(BFC @ Apr 11 2005 said:
@opcode32

Mr. Nutz was released in europe. Or do you maybe own an unreleased US-copy? This would be something else.

Getting cancelled games is no big deal? Oh yeah, for aeons people are hunting for unreleased games for every console-system and still a lot are missing even for old as hell systems like NES but suddenly you come in and say it's no problem? Even if you have contacts that allow you to sometimes get this kind of stuff it doesn't mean it's an easy job. You didn't have this game so why again the bitching? Because of some scene rules for nfos again no one cares about - come on... If it's no problem where is Kien, where is Static Shock and so on? Damn every real gamer/collector would be in heaven when he got the chance to put his hands on games that never saw the light of day but all that seems to count here again are some silly formalities. No gamer-spirit in the scene - really. Sad, very sad.

Btw: Hoarding protos/unreleased games when you have the chance to preserve these is not very elite.

Mr. Nutz was released in 1 Country.. and removed within 1 Day....

Due the fact that i know opcode personally i know why he wont release Barbarian - why he should do so called collectors a favour ? collectiing is just using the work of others.... this isnt fair ! takeing there releases and always talking shit about them...

BFC · Apr 11, 2005

Mr. Nutz was removed after a single day? - interesting. But then it's not an unreleased game. You can still order it for instance from alcom.ch I think.

When protos/cancelled games are found but not dumped you maybe lose a chance that *possibly* occurs only once. Who knows how many of these carts exist and where? Possibly it will never be found again by anyone and no one will ever get the chance to experience this game. You have the chance to preserve a game that maybe otherwise no one will ever be able to play. Maybe it's bad but who knows and that's not the point. When you don't release such a game, the work of the developers is possibly lost forever. Even an unreleased game can have it's place in video-game history. Just take Star Fox 2 - never released but today everyone is able to enjoy the game and see what could have been.

Btw: I didn't mean simple rom-collectors, but true game-collectors and people who are actually interested in playing this kind of stuff.

T-hug · Apr 11, 2005

Would just like to remind people that TRM are not the first group to pack 2 .nfo files in a release, it's been done many times before by many groups and had absolutly no complaints.

As speechles said, if some site's scripts can't read files with 2 or more .nfo files, don't upload TRM releases.

opcode32 · Apr 11, 2005

wich group ever had 2 nfo's? it's not about 2 nfo's in one zip, shitloads of releases have that (all the 0-day releases with 3947394 ads in the files) but about two actual release nfo's.

alcom.ch sucks, seriously. they list alot of crap that they don't even have/is not aviable at all etc.

speechless · Apr 11, 2005

QUOTE(-mrc- @ Apr 11 2005 said:
And Speechless... you are just an stupid idiot. Most of your comments arent more worth then a piece of shit.
lyrics to music softly playing in the backgroundThere’s a calm surrender to the rush of day
When the heat of a rolling wind can be turned away
An enchanted moment, and it sees me through
It’s enough for this restless warrior just to be with you

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It’s enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it’s laid to rest
It’s enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

There’s a time for everyone if they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope moves us all in turn
There’s a rhyme and reason to the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager beats in time with yours

mrc, wanna dance? they are playing our song.

shit > speechles' comments

i agree

djgarf · Apr 11, 2005

please try and behave
opcode32 and mrc if u want to argue with speechles then do it on irc where at least it's real time and we all can laugh

cant u just feel the lubin just oozin out this thread

-mrc- · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE(speechless @ Apr 11 2005 said:
QUOTE(-mrc- @ Apr 11 2005 said:

And Speechless... you are just an stupid idiot. Most of your comments arent more worth then a piece of shit.

lyrics to music softly playing in the background said:

There’s a calm surrender to the rush of day
When the heat of a rolling wind can be turned away
An enchanted moment, and it sees me through
It’s enough for this restless warrior just to be with you

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It’s enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it’s laid to rest
It’s enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

There’s a time for everyone if they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope moves us all in turn
There’s a rhyme and reason to the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager beats in time with yours

Click to expand...

mrc, wanna dance? they are playing our song.

shit > speechles' comments

i agree

Click to expand...

Suck my balls and try to play Killer 3D Pool...... Mr. Idiot

-mrc- · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE(djgarf @ Apr 11 2005 said:
please try and behave
opcode32 and mrc if u want to argue with speechles then do it on irc where at least it's real time and we all can laugh

cant u just feel the lubin just oozin out this threadÂ

Â

As long as gbatemp give idiots some forum ill write my opinion down.... if you wont see my comments just nuke my account.

amptor · Apr 12, 2005

ok now here's what I don't understand... 1) why change the group name from rs to rc, 2) why rel under a different group name (I actually haven't although I can) and 3) why do ya get all flustered over little things? I mean come on as far as I've seen for a while you are a chill guy and it's much cooler to stay that way no? everyone respects mrc, even speechles. speech doesn't mind the comments btw, everything is taken as a grain of salt. I don't understand why this "scene" stuff has to change how people are and I've seen many people change from really cool friendly people into well.. completely the opposite. I still say everything's a lot more fun when everyone's friendly and not starting flames. Oh well just my opinion on things. Soon enough GBA will be dead and all this stuff will be long gone. I won't miss scene politics or any of that other stuff a slight bit. As the saying goes, leave the drama for the women :x

opcode32 · Apr 12, 2005

well altho your comment was directed as mrc i might aswell answer a little bit of that.

1) rs wasn't existing at that point anymore. alot of members got bored/frustraded or were just not interested at all anymore. therfore the remaining few merged into caravan gba division

2) different group name? you mean EP == RS...dream on. We would never step down to release crap password protected. Either don't do it at all or for everyone (and obviously we chose the 1st option). This crap is even lamer then trashman.nfo!

3) this has all been said 230430843 times so i will make it short. first of all standards were made for a reason. if you don't like them fine, then don't participate. but what pisses me off is the likes of trm that *pretend* to be some valid group ("couriers do not apply" crap in the nfo etc etc). If you don't like the way the scene goes why not put your stuff on fserve and let someone repack it as -IND for the sites. Altho i used to *hate* nointro with all of my heart they have gained a little respect lately. atleast their crap (a) packed properly and (b) released as -IND without them trying to look like ubber mad oldskool legends. TRM guys on the other hand always say how they don't care about the scene and stuff, but still their nfo's fulfill every cliche that exists about "how a scene release has to be".

3) politics and stuff is actually what got me initially interested in the scene. i really give a shit about 99.99% of the games, the few ones that interest me i buy anyway. but each to his own i guess

-mrc- · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE(amptor @ Apr 12 2005 said:
ok now here's what I don't understand... 1) why change the group name from rs to rc, 2) why rel under a different group name (I actually haven't although I can) and 3) why do ya get all flustered over little things?Â I mean come on as far as I've seen for a while you are a chill guy and it's much cooler to stay that way no?Â everyone respects mrc, even speechles.Â speech doesn't mind the comments btw, everything is taken as a grain of salt.Â I don't understand why this "scene" stuff has to change how people are and I've seen many people change from really cool friendly people into well.. completely the opposite.Â I still say everything's a lot more fun when everyone's friendly and not starting flames.Â Oh well just my opinion on things.Â Soon enough GBA will be dead and all this stuff will be long gone.Â I won't miss scene politics or any of that other stuff a slight bit.Â As the saying goes, leave the drama for the women :x

Well lemme explain how the name change come.. in a sad morning the leadership of Rising Sun and Caravan had a small coversation about the gba-future. Both saw that there wont be much and so they decided to do a few releases under RisingCaravan (RC = Rising Sun + Caravan or Caravan and Rising Sun). There is a close friendship between Caravan and Rising Sun. So thats why they did a few releases till RS decided to stop everything.

It wasnt a diffrent name cause everybody wich was using his brain was able to understand that the leading groups in europe and japan did some jointventure. so i came that rs gave a few titles to caravan wich they released (everybody was wondering about european titles from caravan).

Now to that what you call a new name. Endless Piracy isnt Rising Sun. Maybe some of our former Suppliers sell titles title to em - yes it looks like them - they have the european titles really fast. But its 100% sure that RS isnt involved in any piracy - if endless or not.

And last but not least about speechless. i cant accept most of his stupid comments. i personally have a scene-backround of nearly 18 years... a long time where some of you where not born.. i started on C16 went over to amiga and pc. during this long time the scene was a closed circle with strictly rules... you had to decide to follow this non-written rules or you where not able to be a part of that scene.

The standarts where very clear... how a releases needed to be packed... the way you released it.. Also the released didnt get spreaded to the mass.

Nowadays titles get posted at webforums and they get spreaded via email and fserve. Holly shit whats going on... those wich where growing with the scene cant believe what happens now.

But back to trashman and no-intro.... at the early beginning it was a standart to tag your releases with an intro. and it was 100% sure that nobody ripped it or complained about a great release.

If i take a look at no-intro ill get ill.. there only goal is to destroy others work - with excuses that they want to have a clean dump... but who the fuck cares about a few bits as long as the game is working ? Releasing games is a money-investment... do u really thing its great to see your work damaged ?

Trashman and thoose wo support em (also no-intro) ist no group at all. they dont accept the scene-standarts... they dont pre the shit they release and they count nothing in the scene. And if i read speechless "we are elite"-shit iam wondering how braindead ppls could be.

amptor · Apr 12, 2005

I saw the new release, don't feel like telling ya what to do. But if you think someone's gonna sit on their can trying to crack a pass outta a lousy pool game think again. I'd say that tpi would sooner redump it than someone go through the effort to try to sort that mess out. But I don't mind, I mean.. do I really need to play pool on a console? umm... pool is meant to be played in a social atmosphere. I'd say the only thing that comes close on a computer is yahoo pool, which I don't play either.

But anyways enough about the pool game. I know there's all these unwritten rules and such and such. I've mispacked before, nobody's perfect. These 8+3 rules are rediculously lame, but I try to stick with it anyway. There was one OS release with long file name, I have no idea why. I don't remember anyone really saying anything about it though. I forgot if it was duz or butterfly who released that one. Oh and repacking as iND I dunno, I mean if that's what the scene considers people using a renamer then I understand. However, when the majority of people who follow the scene understand which group releases it, then the renaming shit doesn't bother me, it's going to happen anyway. I mean what the heck, there's a lot more people into gaming because of the internet and yes due largely to WWW so things are bound to be renamed and altered whether you like it or not. If there was no IRC community doing it, there'd definitely be some web sites with no forums going against the rules. One thing you might want to remember is that the people who develop the software don't really intend for someone to download the game onto a hard drive and distribute it as 8.3 zip file name with an nfo and a diz. They dont' make any money that way

Anyhow I'm content with seeing an original group release the games, but I can't force everyone to stop using ftp, irc, kazaa, newsgroups, etc. just because I think it doesn't conform to some set standards. There must have been a point in time when ng was the "lame" way to do things. I mean it was hard as fuck to get SNES off newsgroups in the mid 90's as I recall. Had to be some reason for that.

And yeah I do agree somewhat about non intro, I'm not sure what no-intro does because I don't follow the majority of this bullshit but erasing an intro and guessing about what fills the space is kinda weak. Better to redump and then be done with it instead of breaking a rom. Of course there are problems when the crack is coded into the intro and someone doesn't want to wait 20+ secs to press a button (a, b start or whatever it is). I can understand that, and using a little ASM to bypass there. Gotta know that some people want to jump in a game quick! I always thought that kind of trick on intros was intended so that people would run out and buy the game so they wouldn't have the nagware on the beginning. Never could quite understand doing that on latter systems GBC and GBA.

xuom2 · Apr 12, 2005

nointro are segretaries, collectors, dump purists, gamers, lamers, crc freaks. all reasons to hate intros!
nointro is not only intro removing. when we havent a cart in our dirty hands, we do the remove... ok, maybe lame.
BUT nointro dumpers do *a lot* of redumps, a *lot* (for being a punch of lamers) of gba dumps (near 40) and gbc dumps (near 30 only in the latest days).
this is simple piracy and not elite crap cause we dont't do prerlz?
1) check out, a couple of jap pred were done

2) we dont care, we never tried to be an elitegroup, we are no group, we arent in the scene, and we know that

so nointro *invests* as you, searches rare gbc (try to find some old barbie titles

), dumps the stuff trying to agree to the standards (that why we use the IND. on gba-nfo i asked the rules and all were laughting, now the same people say that we obtained a bit of "respect" cause we pack them so).
we have 2 faces: on a side we respect the work of groups. REALLY. on the other, we *hate* adulterated dumps.
we hate eliteintros, elitecracks, elitefixes, elitetrainers... all things that can be spread in separated .IPS files.
we are lame for the scene and appreciated by the "public". but it's ok, i only want to say that flames are stupid anyway, please dont "hate with our hearth", as someone said, leave such things to womans

i only posted here to try to explain things for the 10000 time and because someone spoke about us.
x2

ps: i really hope all lame-numbering sites will not add password-protected releases in their lists.
not because i want to play pool. before or after it will be redumped.
it's simply childish.
and recent releases arent important in this moment. there are tons of undumped stuff that is really more important (for nointro, lame, opinion).

xuom2 · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE(xuom2 @ Apr 12 2005 said:
i only posted here to try to explain things for the 10000 time and because someone spoke about us.

this only means that i explained our point of wiew in a thread where someone spoke about us.
this doesnt mean that we want to generate flames and discussions (that i read since 3 years

)
flames will be ignored and no members of nointro will reply here

cya

-mrc- · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE(xuom2 @ Apr 12 2005 said:
nointro are segretaries, collectors, dump purists, gamers, lamers, crc freaks. all reasons to hate intros!
nointro is not only intro removing. when we havent a cart in our dirty hands, we do the remove... ok, maybe lame.
BUT nointro dumpers do *a lot* of redumps, a *lot* (for being a punch of lamers) of gba dumps (near 40) and gbc dumps (near 30 only in the latest days).
this is simple piracy and not elite crap cause we dont't do prerlz?
1) check out, a couple of jap pred were done

2) we dont care, we never tried to be an elitegroup, we are no group, we arent in the scene, and we know that

so nointro *invests* as you, searches rare gbc (try to find some old barbie titles

), dumps the stuff trying to agree to the standards (that why we use the IND. on gba-nfo i asked the rules and all were laughting, now the same people say that we obtained a bit of "respect" cause we pack them so).
we have 2 faces: on a side we respect the work of groups. REALLY. on the other, we *hate* adulterated dumps.
we hate eliteintros, elitecracks, elitefixes, elitetrainers... all things that can be spread in separated .IPS files.
we are lame for the scene and appreciated by the "public". but it's ok, i only want to say that flames are stupid anyway, please dont "hate with our hearth", as someone said, leave such things to womans

i only posted here to try to explain things for the 10000 time and because someone spoke about us.
x2

ps: i really hope all lame-numbering sites will not add password-protected releases in their lists.
not because i want to play pool. before or after it will be redumped.
it's simply childish.
and recent releases arent important in this moment. there are tons of undumped stuff that is really more important (for nointro, lame, opinion).

Well, maybe you become real sometimes. the no-intro-community is just a punch of lamer. i still remeber fruit-chase.... none of the no-intro-looser where able to crack this games... yes it took rs 24-hours to do it.. sure - but the intro RS added was protected again.... So why no-intro didnt show there skill and removed the intro ? simply you where not able.

Is that kind of game you never understand. RS was able to protect theire intro - just when they tought its worth the work. U need to understand that real Scene-Members let you play - as long as they wont.

And it isnt important if a rom gets listed at gbatemp, gbarl or whatever... the release himself wasnt ment for such communitys.... and thoose in the scene understand what happend to that ep-release - and be sure scene-member mostly know each others - and scene-members where able to play pool 5 minutes after the pre.

None-Scene-Members, so called collectors should wait a few days to buy that title. on one side you say scene is shit on the other side you would take an early not available release. Maybe its your way of life to take everything what is good for you - but at this pool game u failed.

iam looking forward who will release it .... and btw. i cant see that ep-release nuked anywhere.

xuom2 · Apr 12, 2005

if i remember good, but maybe im wrong, fruit-chase was coded, but it didnt find a publisher.
so it was not a CANCELED game. simply a homebrew ROM.
and we dont lose our time with unlicensed crap.
different from mr.nutz, that is licensed.

BFC · Apr 12, 2005

QUOTE said:
i still remeber fruit-chase.... none of the no-intro-looser where able to crack this games

Did I miss something? Since when was this game ever out in an uncracked state?

amptor · Apr 12, 2005

Oh yeah now I remember.. the recent trend in releasing "no-intro" uncracked roms, totally useless crap unless u want to use an emulator (why the fuck would anyone want to emulate gameboy, it doesn't have anywhere near the same feeling as on a handheld) Then again, emulation is good for coding trainers and such. Groups were using no$gmb a lot in GBC days.

But anyway what about numbering? Sure I understand the argument against renaming the rel with a number and long filename, but numbering has been in existance since GBC days (maybe n64 as well, but I didn't follow... as it was a shitty console to begin with) People did complain about numbering but the beginning of numbering seemed to start with renaming the beginning of the dir with the release number and keeping the rest intact. That's how I always used to do it. Now all these renaming tools and all that made it difficult to get all the original files for GBA since I bought a GBA later on (yes I was SICK of all the fucking lamer politics in the handheld scene so I gave up for months.. I should've just told loaded/eur, opoth/whatever and rza/mnc to get a fucking life). You'll find I distance myself from the scene for 1 reason: it is boring. If I wanted to hear a bunch of nonsense I'd tune in Lifetime on my tv set.

speechless · Apr 12, 2005

cmon dudes, chill out...and remember, this isn't lets talk bout endless homosexuality and that shitty pool game they for some reason wanted to keep to themselves (cuz damn, nobody else can buy/dump them pool games cept homosexuals)
COMMENT ABOUT TEH RELEASE
stop pimping your agendas and philiosophies..
and comment only about teh release..
the scary ass haunted mansion at disney on teh gba..
and its endless fun-factor...kthx

:: edit :: this is not meant as a flame, so much as a, god damn, end the shit already, e-fucking-nuff

Dais · Apr 12, 2005

What the fuck does homosexuality have to do with anything?

Anyway, it's interesting that amongst all this e-drama, the only actually interesting thing is the fact that Barbarian might NOT be awful, which is strange, considering the screens of it I've seen were none too beautiful.

Anyway, trying out this game now.....it looks......interesting, at least.

EDIT: That was the worst mistake I've ever made in my entire damned life.

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