Baby girl mistakes a gun with Wii controller and dies

Jamstruth · Mar 8, 2010

Pliskron said:
Well there was just a massacre in Nigeria where 500 were slaughtered "with machetes" not guns. Bombers blowing up markets and killing 100's with items you can buy at a hardware store, no guns there. Seems like people kill people and they'll use anything to get the job done. You going to ban cars and cooking knives next? Yeah sorry for getting a little nasty but I can't stand it when people mostly from Europe and even here to some degree try to take away things from people and make decisions in their best interest because they know whats best.

The usual defence for you guys. The difference between cooking knives and guns is that guns have only one use and that is to kill. There is no use outside of that, they are a TERRIBLE thing. Sometimes there use is needed, most of the time it is not. I understand that people will kill using whatever they can get their hands on, its a rather sad fact. No system is perfect, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this issue to avoid creating a thread the size of a rich girl's shoe collection. I will say one thing though: Europe is not built on making a bajillion decisions for you, do not believe us to be evil because of some of the views here on issues such as guns or health care.

Depravo · Mar 8, 2010

rlw said:
Also, gun laws do not reduce crime.

Well, obviously. You have 10,000 legal gun owners, then you make guns illegal. What's the result? 10,000 illegally owned guns. Making guns illegal has made gun-related crimes rise by 10,000 overnight.

Brilliant propaganda for the pro-gun bell ends to use on people who don't have a brain.

Pliskron · Mar 8, 2010

Jamstruth said:
Pliskron said:

Jamstruth said:

Pliskron said:

Now all the anti gun assholes are going to try to use this tragedy to try to take guns away from responsible people. I'll bet you anything that the parents weren't legally licensed to own a gun and they sure as hell weren't storing it legally.

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Oh puhlease! Anti-Gun laws are just common sense really. America experiences a very high gun-crime rate because guns are legal and available there. Why do you need a gun in today's world except for shooting etc.? Rifles are the only guns that should be made available in my opinion and then only with the proper training and licensing for game-shooting, anything else is for military use only. Britain is proof that gun laws like this work at least in part, our firearms laws are some of the tightest around and as a result it is very hard for criminals to get guns here. Knife crime has gone up as a result but that's understandable and a hell of a lot less damaging than having gun=toting maniacs running around. As you can tell I'm a very anti-gun kinda guy. I don't see why civilians should have them at all unless they are for hunting purposes.

As for this thing, as I think about it I realise just how hard it would be for a 3 year old to shoot herself. Mistake the gun for a Wii Remote I can understand and I can imagine her playing around with it a bit and pointing it at herself but being able to pull the trigger must take some effort for a 3 year old. I'd imagine she'd give up before she could pull it.

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Every time you enact gun laws gun crime goes though the roof. Thats because it's easy to get an illegal gun. Just look at DC which had some of the toughest gun laws, that lead to the nations highest gun crime. I have a natural right to protect my life and the life of my family with deadly force if necessary. Thats a right enshrined in my nations constitution. As far as European socialists go, I think you suck and should mind your own business. If you don't want to have guns don't but don;t preach to me. The reason my grandparents left Europe is because it sucked and you know what. It still sucks.

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HELLO THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL I HATE ABOUT AMERICA!!!!! Seriously, you're like a caricature. I thought people like this didn't exist outside of Fox News!

Since you guys have a right to bear firearms in your Constitution all gun laws are inherently flawed in America. If need be they can just be smuggled for over the State border, stolen from shops etc. They're still legal and available just slightly harder to obtain. The reason everybody in America feels they need a gun is because so many criminals find it easy to obtain them, take away the easiness of this by seriously reforming gun laws - removing the right to bear arms from the constituion etc. - and the need for a gun dissipates. You still have the right to defend yourself if need be but let's face it we all hope that this will never happen.

As for your blanket statement that Europe sucks, screw you! Europe rocks, we've got all the history and culture over here! Great scenery, diverse cultures, good food! Also, are you sure you understand "Socialism" there are varying degrees going from Communism (which you Americans seem to have had drilled into you as EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!) to what most countries in Europe have which has a hell of a lot of freedom and choice in what we do and say with a few benefits you Americans don't get such as free Health Care (to a point). I'll be the first to admit that I don't fully understand the terminology so I may have gotten this wrong somebody can correct me if they wish.

Edit: Here's an article with some Gun Crime figures in the uk http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm Unfortunately it only shows figures back to 98 so I don't get the full picture. I'd imagine part of the increase involves the widening of the term "Gun Crime" to include some offences which were not counted as such before. Here's another article showing some stats.

Yeah England is great with it's N.I.C.E. board that will deny old people a hip replacement or cancer treatment. My grandmother would have been dead years ago if she lived in the UK. I love it when you're rich citizens and politicians come to the states for cancer treatment. Oh and you can reform gen laws all you want but someone can still make a gun out of some simple plumbing supplies. Oh and we have all the good things like culture and food here too plus more economic and personal freedom. So yeah Europe does suck. I have a house and a yard here. I don;t have to live in a shitty flat.

XFlak · Mar 8, 2010

i can see where u both r coming from...

but frankly, with american gun laws the way they are, there is an inherent price american's pay for their right to bear firearms... which is a lot of accidental discharges (did u know that guns kill more people from accidental discharges than anything else)

the point is, americans are entitled to their rights, even if we don't agree with them (like most Canadians I personally don't agree with their gun laws) and they'll pay the price for their rights, as we all do (ie. if some1 breaks into my house, I may not have a gun to protect myself... there are risks either way... although I legally own rifles for hunting, but that's besides the point)

Europe is awesome, and the states is great... who doesn't want a vacation in Italy or Las Vegas? Of course we have our differences, but we can work them out (figures a Canadian {me} is playing the role of peacekeeper, lol)

ProtoKun7 · Mar 8, 2010

I'm probably heartless when I admit that I actually laughed at the title...

Sad story, but I don't know why the gun was left there...also, I've noticed Ace posting in here...

Jamstruth · Mar 8, 2010

I am stopping arguing with you Pliskron, you are entitled to your opinion (though I strongly disagree with it) but you are really horrible for assuming that Europe completely sucks. Bet you haven't even left the States once and experienced another culture first hand, but then with the size of America many people feel they don't need to. I think its terrible that to bolster your argument you've had to stoop to such a low as "Europe sucks arse because you have marginally less freedom"

emigre · Mar 8, 2010

Pliskron said:
Jamstruth said:

Pliskron said:

Jamstruth said:

Pliskron said:

Now all the anti gun assholes are going to try to use this tragedy to try to take guns away from responsible people. I'll bet you anything that the parents weren't legally licensed to own a gun and they sure as hell weren't storing it legally.

Oh puhlease! Anti-Gun laws are just common sense really. America experiences a very high gun-crime rate because guns are legal and available there. Why do you need a gun in today's world except for shooting etc.? Rifles are the only guns that should be made available in my opinion and then only with the proper training and licensing for game-shooting, anything else is for military use only. Britain is proof that gun laws like this work at least in part, our firearms laws are some of the tightest around and as a result it is very hard for criminals to get guns here. Knife crime has gone up as a result but that's understandable and a hell of a lot less damaging than having gun=toting maniacs running around. As you can tell I'm a very anti-gun kinda guy. I don't see why civilians should have them at all unless they are for hunting purposes.

As for this thing, as I think about it I realise just how hard it would be for a 3 year old to shoot herself. Mistake the gun for a Wii Remote I can understand and I can imagine her playing around with it a bit and pointing it at herself but being able to pull the trigger must take some effort for a 3 year old. I'd imagine she'd give up before she could pull it.

Every time you enact gun laws gun crime goes though the roof. Thats because it's easy to get an illegal gun. Just look at DC which had some of the toughest gun laws, that lead to the nations highest gun crime. I have a natural right to protect my life and the life of my family with deadly force if necessary. Thats a right enshrined in my nations constitution. As far as European socialists go, I think you suck and should mind your own business. If you don't want to have guns don't but don;t preach to me. The reason my grandparents left Europe is because it sucked and you know what. It still sucks.

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HELLO THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL I HATE ABOUT AMERICA!!!!! Seriously, you're like a caricature. I thought people like this didn't exist outside of Fox News!

Since you guys have a right to bear firearms in your Constitution all gun laws are inherently flawed in America. If need be they can just be smuggled for over the State border, stolen from shops etc. They're still legal and available just slightly harder to obtain. The reason everybody in America feels they need a gun is because so many criminals find it easy to obtain them, take away the easiness of this by seriously reforming gun laws - removing the right to bear arms from the constituion etc. - and the need for a gun dissipates. You still have the right to defend yourself if need be but let's face it we all hope that this will never happen.

As for your blanket statement that Europe sucks, screw you! Europe rocks, we've got all the history and culture over here! Great scenery, diverse cultures, good food! Also, are you sure you understand "Socialism" there are varying degrees going from Communism (which you Americans seem to have had drilled into you as EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!) to what most countries in Europe have which has a hell of a lot of freedom and choice in what we do and say with a few benefits you Americans don't get such as free Health Care (to a point). I'll be the first to admit that I don't fully understand the terminology so I may have gotten this wrong somebody can correct me if they wish.

Edit: Here's an article with some Gun Crime figures in the uk [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm[/url] Unfortunately it only shows figures back to 98 so I don't get the full picture. I'd imagine part of the increase involves the widening of the term "Gun Crime" to include some offences which were not counted as such before. Here's another article showing some stats.

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Yeah England is great with it's N.I.C.E. board that will deny old people a hip replacement or cancer treatment. My grandmother would have been dead years ago if she lived in the UK. I love it when you're rich citizens and politicians come to the states for cancer treatment. Oh and you can reform gen laws all you want but someone can still make a gun out of some simple plumbing supplies. Oh and we have all the good things like culture and food here too plus more economic and personal freedom. So yeah Europe does suck. I have a house and a yard here. I don;t have to live in a shitty flat.

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Europe's pretty decent to be fair. It suits me very well thank you.

Also get a grip, at least acknowledge there are postives to tight regulation on gun ownership.

Oh, on the health care front I love the NHS. If we lived in the US, my family would struggle to live with my mum's health problems, regarding getting medical insurance. So the chances would be we would be living in a shitty flat. But instead we live in a house with a garden.

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I am stopping arguing with you Pliskron, you are entitled to your opinion (though I strongly disagree with it) but you are really horrible for assuming that Europe completely sucks. Bet you haven't even left the States once and experienced another culture first hand, but then with the size of America many people feel they don't need to. I think its terrible that to bolster your argument you've had to stoop to such a low as "Europe sucks arse because you have marginally less freedom"

If its any consolation, I think much better of you. Nice one mate

XFlak · Mar 8, 2010

I think Chris Rock said it best... they should just make bullets cost thousands of dollars... then u wont see too many innocent bystanders getting shot by accident anymore... u might actually see thugs AIMING at the guy they're targeting instead of holding the gun sideways and hoping for the best, lol (a little off-topic, but w/e)

injected11 · Mar 8, 2010

This is retarded and tragic. Way too many parts of their story aren't logically adding up. This reeks of foul play, and I'd place money on the parents having planned it. I really hope the parents are charged, convicted, physically and sexually abused in prison, then roasted in hell. Even if it really were somehow just an accident, there's no excuse for the complete ignorance of what your 3 year old child is doing when you are in the same room, and no excuse for leaving a loaded gun with the safety off on a table next to said 3 year old.

Would it have been so hard to get your gun when you heard the "prowler", call the cops to investigate said "prowler", then put your gun away after everything has been resolved? The fact that they didn't tells me there were likely illegal substances or activities going on. A great place to raise a child in the first place.

Daco · Mar 8, 2010

btw, at all united states citizens (fuck you, the us isn't america so im not calling you americans. you dont even deserve in my eyes to be called americans cause you are so retarded. calling you americans is shame for all the other places in north america (srry south america, its not that i hate you, i just kinda dislike you ) ) who claim they have any laws for having a gun

what law?
seriously, if there is a law; why do so many of you faggots have guns?
start shooting either to death will ya?

that is all

EDIT: OR NOT!

injected11 said:
This is retarded and tragic. Way too many parts of their story aren't logically adding up.

tragic?!?!
this is entertaining cause it proves my point of view about humanity so well. yes it could have been my child bla bla bla
thats where youre wrong. my child wouldn't be able to have such a thing in their hands.

also, everything makes perfect sense. im just guessing you dont have child(eren). and if you do they aren't at the LETS GRAB EVERYTHING stage or you just aren't raising your child(eren) at all

Depravo · Mar 8, 2010

injected11 said:
This is retarded and tragic. Way too many parts of their story aren't logically adding up. This reeks of foul play, and I'd place money on the parents having planned it.

Haha, it will make make another chapter in Kate and Gerry McCann's upcoming book, "101 Ways To Get Rid Of Your daughter".

raulpica · Mar 8, 2010

DeMoN said:
The color should have given it away, not to mention the weight, feel, etc.
It's too bad the girl didn't accidentally shoot her dumbass father instead, I know a few cases where that has happened, but never where the child kills his/herself.
It doesn't really add up to me either. If she knew how to play the Wii she wouldn't be aiming at herself, instead, their T.V. would be broken. If she didn't know about the Wii, then you can't really say she mistook the real gun for the Wii gun. Again, another tragedy being blamed on video games or the purpose of sensationalism and sympathy.

@raulpica: That's a very interesting accusation: the parents killed her and made it look like an accidental suicide. Seems a lot more believable than what was reported.

That was exactly what I thought. At least, if this has to be really classified as an accident, the Wii hasn't got a single thing to do with it. It's not like you have to shoot yourself, in a game.

Law · Mar 8, 2010

raulpica said:
DeMoN said:

The color should have given it away, not to mention the weight, feel, etc.
It's too bad the girl didn't accidentally shoot her dumbass father instead, I know a few cases where that has happened, but never where the child kills his/herself.
It doesn't really add up to me either. If she knew how to play the Wii she wouldn't be aiming at herself, instead, their T.V. would be broken. If she didn't know about the Wii, then you can't really say she mistook the real gun for the Wii gun. Again, another tragedy being blamed on video games or the purpose of sensationalism and sympathy.

@raulpica: That's a very interesting accusation: the parents killed her and made it look like an accidental suicide. Seems a lot more believable than what was reported.
That was exactly what I thought. At least, if this has to be really classified as an accident, the Wii hasn't got a single thing to do with it. It's not like you have to shoot yourself, in a game.

Law said:

QUOTE(jaybee @ Mar 8 2010, 07:37 PM)

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I just shot myself in the head with a Wiimote!

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oh god, persona 3 wii edition

Jamstruth · Mar 8, 2010

The original source article has been updated. Its surprising how much the shell looks like a true handgun

Seriously, Matte Black painting, realistic trigger and grip. Its a wonder such a thing was allowed to go on sale!

raulpica · Mar 8, 2010

Law said:
raulpica said:

DeMoN said:

The color should have given it away, not to mention the weight, feel, etc.
It's too bad the girl didn't accidentally shoot her dumbass father instead, I know a few cases where that has happened, but never where the child kills his/herself.
It doesn't really add up to me either. If she knew how to play the Wii she wouldn't be aiming at herself, instead, their T.V. would be broken. If she didn't know about the Wii, then you can't really say she mistook the real gun for the Wii gun. Again, another tragedy being blamed on video games or the purpose of sensationalism and sympathy.

@raulpica: That's a very interesting accusation: the parents killed her and made it look like an accidental suicide. Seems a lot more believable than what was reported.
That was exactly what I thought. At least, if this has to be really classified as an accident, the Wii hasn't got a single thing to do with it. It's not like you have to shoot yourself, in a game.

Law said:

QUOTE(jaybee @ Mar 8 2010, 07:37 PM)

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I just shot myself in the head with a Wiimote!

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oh god, persona 3 wii edition

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Okay, EXCEPT Persona 3. Which isn't available on Wii

thegame07 · Mar 8, 2010

QUOTE said:
So yeah Europe does suck. I have a house and a yard here. I don;t have to live in a shitty flat.

Looks like someone is a very narrow minded person and brands a full continent of sucking. It just shows how much you actually know about "Europe" and when you say "Europe" I bet you just mean the UK but I'm sure you didn't know about the other 46 countries it contains, you just branded as being sucky. Let me guess you haven't even set foot in europe? If you have you haven't even been to more than one country. I have been to Texas/read about it, North America sucks(I don't think that), see what I did there?

There is advantages and disadvatages of the American and Uk health system none of them are perfect.

I have never seen a garden or house in my life

Oh wait I'm sitting in one and looking out on one just now.

Also the people who are calling a 3 year old dumb need to take a look at themself. It's the parents you should be calling dumb.

raulpica · Mar 8, 2010

Jamstruth said:
The original source article has been updated. Its surprising how much the shell looks like a true handgun

Seriously, Matte Black painting, realistic trigger and grip. Its a wonder such a thing was allowed to go on sale!

I've never seen a freaking Wii gun like that. All the ones I've seen are incredibly plasticy and whitey.

I mean, who the hell would actually buy a almost 1:1 replica like that? It'd probably cost a lot, since it's probably rare (never seen it before on any site).

This is sounding more and more suspicious as the time passes. It just seems too "accurate" and less "accidental".

Isabelyes · Mar 8, 2010

Well, since there are black Wii's and black Wiimotes,
You'd expect black accessoires, too.

I think it's the parents' fault.

Forstride · Mar 8, 2010

I really think there's something else behind it...Why the hell would you leave a semi-automatic gun, or any gun at all on a table IN YOUR GODDAMN LIVING ROOM?!

And to top it off, if you even would have a gun out, shouldn't you be watching your child to make sure they don't blow their own head off with it?

Parents like this make me sick. I bet you all twenty bucks that they lived in a ghetto/slum/etc, the father was old, and the mother was young/middle-aged.

Also, I just saw the picture comparing the gun to the Wii controller...Is there even a controller that looks like that? Another thing is, why would the girl be playing a game where you have to use a gun controller or a gun in the game? Last time I check, 3-year-old children weren't supposed to be playing Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, or any game that uses a gun-shaped controller.

Daco · Mar 8, 2010

you guys played (a pirated) phoenix wright to much. why would it have a special meaning to it?

and about the "controller" , some ppl pay scammers not knowing there is a more legal way yet they do it. so why not with this controller ?

EDIT: my posts are getting ignored. im guessing im posting to smart shit for your small brains to handle

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