Gaming So Pokemon HG/SS Got a 37/40 in Famitsu
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The thing about Pokemon is that it is fun. All the games are fun and I play them. No shame either. But you can't deny the changes are so negligible, that very little work goes into creating a new game in the series.
The Final Fantasy argument is completely false. Pretty much every single game in the series is completely different from the other in core gameplay. I can't think of a more ridiculous statement than comparing Pokemon to FF. Every game or two, they fundamentally change the entire gameplay system. FF3 had the job system. FF4 was the first to have real character development and the ATB battles. FF6 expanded the character development as well as reinvented the job system with espers. FF7 brought the series to an entirely different modern style, melding real world with fantasy. So on, so forth. And the Golden Sun bash is equally ridiculous due simply to the fact that there have only been 2 released games in the series and not remakes.
Esh pretty much summed it up. If you are unhappy with the way a series is, simply use common sense and stop buying them. Even if your single act doesn't do anything, you will at least saved yourself the money from having to play the game.
And in regards to remakes, for me it's either, 1- having the ability to play it on a system (assuming I don't have access to the original one), or 2- just seeing how much has improved since the original. I'm not one of the crowd who wants remakes, but I will play them if they are there and will get excited for them. It's better than having to live through Imagine games.
The Final Fantasy argument is completely false. Pretty much every single game in the series is completely different from the other in core gameplay. I can't think of a more ridiculous statement than comparing Pokemon to FF. Every game or two, they fundamentally change the entire gameplay system. FF3 had the job system. FF4 was the first to have real character development and the ATB battles. FF6 expanded the character development as well as reinvented the job system with espers. FF7 brought the series to an entirely different modern style, melding real world with fantasy. So on, so forth. And the Golden Sun bash is equally ridiculous due simply to the fact that there have only been 2 released games in the series and not remakes.
Esh pretty much summed it up. If you are unhappy with the way a series is, simply use common sense and stop buying them. Even if your single act doesn't do anything, you will at least saved yourself the money from having to play the game.
And in regards to remakes, for me it's either, 1- having the ability to play it on a system (assuming I don't have access to the original one), or 2- just seeing how much has improved since the original. I'm not one of the crowd who wants remakes, but I will play them if they are there and will get excited for them. It's better than having to live through Imagine games.
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First of all, my post was basically a joke because #1: most famitsu scores are biased and #2: i wanted to see how much pokefans stayed loyal to the pokemons.PharaohsVizier said:
But apart from that, I can't really agree about your thoughts about final fantasy, maybe because you haven't played all of its series. It's true that I didn't play all of them either, but I sure did play all of the DS, PSX, and the SNES final fantasies. (Too bad I couldn't buy a PS2)
Yeah, new story, updated graphics, but the same bahamut, the same fira and cura, the same old save the world, and the same chocobo - what the hell. But at least I like the innovations in the whole system.
all turn based
The older ones were turn based - the newer ones got a system called ATB, which is different when comparing it with an ordinary turn based game. Yeah, even if the earliest games using ATB still felt the same way as turn based, they really put it into great use later, which can especially be seen on the FF4 remake for the DS.
practically the same game
Hmm... yeah well it is practically a series
but hell ITS THE SAME GAME
with a somewhat different gameplay/battle at least. Materia for FF7, Junction for FF8, Job based skills in the older games and FF9, Sphere Grid/Licence Board which helps you "build your own characters", and especially the gambit system in FFXII which makes controlling multiple characters easier. Differing from pokemon, these are systems which makes each and every final fantasies unique gameplay-wise.
This is somewhat incomparable to the same PP/turn based system in pokemon which has NEVER changed throughout the years.
Warcraft
Can't agree to this. You know that from war 2 -> war 3 really changed the game a lot gameplay wise, so this is pretty much wrong.
Super Mario Brothers
Yo SMB is a classic...
hell practically ANY franchise keeps the core game the same and updates around it. Why the hell is Pokemon the only one that gets bashed repeatedly for this?
Probably because of the mass advertising
psycoblaster said:
Lol whoa whoa there. I am both a pokemon fan and a final fantasy fan, But I'd have to say, you implying that all the final fantasies are "practically" the same game, is utterly ridiculous. All the pokemon games are extremely similar, far more similar then the final fantasies are too eachother
and yes of course there gonna keep chocobos, aeons, and spells, if they changed those, it would'nt be final fantasy
But im not here saying pokemon is all the same, I personally am more excited for these remakes then I have been for a game in a long time.
but in the end
they're all fun games
people bash them because there popular franchises
if they were some underground indie series that wasn't so vastly popular, no one would complain about it. People just feel the need to "go against the system" etc.
Early copies.. Typical from Japanese Retail, leads us to early leeks too..Darky said:And yet, this becomes another Pokemon love/hate thread.
On-Topic: Seriously, can they give a proper review when the game has not been released yet?
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Famitsu is always biased. I never trust their reviews. To the above poster, review sites commonly get games early.
PharaohsVizier said:
Very sneaky, sis.
It is funny that Final Fantasy kept the same gameplay formula for, oh I don't know, 6 games? Pokemon has had the same battle system for a total of 4 different games (not counting different versions), 5 with HG/SS. The difference is that Pokemon is a "kiddie" game so obviously it needs bashing.
Although 90% of the fuckbags who post hatemail here are probably just dumb trolls trying to start a fire.
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Now here is a big point-Guild McCommunist said:
You are admitting that pokemon has had the same battle system from its start to now.
But you are still saying that final fantasy has changed its gameplay formula after 6 games.
That's the big point that I'm trying to say :\
Guild McCommunist said:
[5 different games]. I see that you are implying that HG/SS, remakes of G/S count as a different game from G/S, while at the same time not implying that FR/LG are different from R/B/G. The lapse in logic here is mildly offensive.
Technically, FF kept the same gameplay formula for, oh I just know, 1 through 10-2, not counting the miriad of ports and remakes. FF13 will be added to that list of course. It's the same deal as with pokeymons. Core gameplay (ie. turnbased exp/gold grindan) remains while a new gimmick is added (jobs, materia, junctions, dress sphere) and graphics are upgraded. Difference is that FF evolved (oh so fucking slightly) more than Pokemon.
To be honest, FF deserves to be spat upon for still using turn-based combat in a day and age where technology permits so much more, forcing all the lesser competitors/copycats to do the same, effectively locking the JRPG genre in a quagmire of turn-based bullshit from 1995.
Pokemon on the other hand, doesn't deserve to be spat upon. That doesn't take away the fact that it never innovates itself other than adding increasingly bland creatures each generation when Nintendo runs out of games to remake. The simple story and child-friendly setting, while not to my personal taste, are a product of the main target audience of the series; children.
They both need bashing. Deserve it, even. A little truth-facing as to what is stale and stanky in the major franchises of videogaming. Pokemon is just the one that's relevant to this thread, before it got derailed so sweetly.
Dwight said:
Are you kidding? R/S/E introduced Abilities, Natures and EVs, all of which are very important factors in the competitive side of the game.
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i´m not a hater..but the last pokemon game i played before i tried platinum was gold, and gold was fucking awesome and a huge improvement compared to the classics..so i was a little disappointed that they use the same fucking oldstyle battle system after ten years..still only 4 attacks, no cool specials, or something like that (the double fights don´t count)...i don´t know but the battle system needs a complete new facelift or the pokemon series needs a good spinoff with more interesting fights...thats my opinion and the only reason why i don´t like pokemon games anymore...but they still kick ass....
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Whoa whoa whoa, what? Wind Waker was better than Twilight Princess in almost every way.Guild McCommunist said:
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Respective opinion War. He may say its good and better doesn't necessarily mean that it goes for everyone.War said:
I thought the games just don't feel the same after G/S/C...
I still appreciate the later generations, I just wish they weren't so... bland?
I hope these games set the path for future games.
I still appreciate the later generations, I just wish they weren't so... bland?
I hope these games set the path for future games.
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