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Saying NO to fascists/nazis - if you are one of those, you are not welcome here

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KingVamp said:
If it is really just the same people making new accounts, then we really should add a significant amount of time before new members can just beeline to post in the politics section.
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Being level 5 at minimum should be a requirement for this section to even appear in the first place. Would filter out a lot of people.
 
DiscostewSM said:
In a non-religious way, it's a history book, one of which we should learn from. Use the brains we were given. To think, not blindly follow like zombies.
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It's not a history book, though. From a different non-religious perspective, there is objective wisdom to be found in the Bible, just like with many religious texts. And although, to a limited degree, the Bible can be used as a loose evaluation of ancient society, morality, etc, it shouldn't be used as a historical basis since many events in the Bible did not happen (based on our current historical perspective).

The Bible is useful as a historical supplement, but not as a basis for one's knowledge, if that makes sense.

Not to mention that relying on the Bible as a history book *is* blindly following something with little to no supporting evidence.
 
Vixi said:
The bible was written because god wants us to read it.
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There is no "bible" that was written, Bible means "the books" plural, it is a collection of books, letters, pamphlets, etc. that was compiled by the Church in the 4th century. It is there as a help to preserve the correct teachings and traditions of the Church which should always be alive and not just dead words on paper, which people obviously end up interpreting according to their own preference, which is what heresy means.
 
XenoFredo said:
There is no "bible" that was written, Bible means "the books" plural, it is a collection of books, letters, pamphlets, etc. that was compiled by the Church in the 4th century. It is there as a help to preserve the correct teachings and traditions of the Church which should always be alive and not just dead words on paper, which people obviously end up interpreting according to their own preference, which is what heresy means.
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Even though every church and every sect of Christianity interprets the Bible in different ways according to their preference. I guess all those people are heretics.

Oh, but not your church. Yours is special.
 
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titan_tim said:
He is literally saying that the scriptures and prophecies didn't come from interpretation, but from god. Not that you can't interpret them after the fact of their creation. But you'll just ignore what is plainly written and rush back to your bishop to ease your mind of these heretical thoughts.
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Correct, I made a mistake here.

But the fact remains, that one private interpretation does not matter until it's checked against spiritual authority in the Church. People (in authority) decide what is correct, not individuals, that's a modern idea.
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BlazeHeatnix said:
Even though every church and every sect of Christianity interprets the Bible in different ways according to their preference. I guess all those people are heretics.

Oh, but not your church. Yours is special.
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Just because people come up with all kinds of theories and interpretations of scripture for their own gain does not mean that there can't be one correct interpretation of it.

Exactly, not my Church, mine is special, for it is the One True Church.
 
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XenoFredo said:
But the fact remains, that one private interpretation does not matter until it's checked against spiritual authority in the Church. People (in authority) decide what is correct, not individuals, that's a modern idea..
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So I interpreted that part 'correctly' in the eyes of the church? Lucky me! I guess that makes me more in touch with the scriptures than the regular layman. Really not that hard when it's spelled out for you. Sort of like Exodus 21. Zero wiggle room there for false interpretation.
 
titan_tim said:
So I interpreted that part 'correctly' in the eyes of the church? Lucky me! I guess that makes me more in touch with the scriptures than the regular layman. Really not that hard when it's spelled out for you. Sort of like Exodus 21. Zero wiggle room there for false interpretation.
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I'd actually walk that one back, I was tricked by heavily protestant answers on Google.

The light of God is what inspired the prophets and the revelation they received, and the same light is what helps us understand these words correctly, we do not get there by our own fallen understanding.

Hence why it's always safer to go with the Church's interpretation through people who have higher spiritual authority than you, rather than reading the Bible as an outsider and think you could make sense of it on your own.

I'd refer back to what was said earlier in this thread, that I can't be right-wing and a nationalist as a Christian. An outsider is in no position to make that claim (which is wrong by the way).

As for Exodus 21, trust me, there is always ample wiggle room for people to make scripture say whatever they want to be true. Example: should Christians follow these laws?
 
XenoFredo said:
I was tricked by heavily protestant answers on Google.
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If it was skewed by protestants, then wouldn't it have told you that Peter allows for personal interpretation?
XenoFredo said:
Hence why it's always safer to go with the Church's interpretation through people who have higher spiritual authority than you, rather than reading the Bible as an outsider and think you could make sense of it on your own.
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Hate to tell you, but they're just regular people with the same personal biases as everyone else. They just found a way to make it theirs and only theirs. Quite the power grab.
XenoFredo said:
I'd refer back to what was said earlier in this thread, that I can't be right-wing and a nationalist as a Christian. An outsider is in no position to make that claim (which is wrong by the way).
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I don't believe I ever said that you can't be Christian and be conservative. But you can't be christian and follow this administration. The teachings of love, acceptance, and giving in the bible are diametrically opposed to everything being done.
XenoFredo said:
As for Exodus 21, trust me, there is always ample wiggle room for people to make scripture say whatever they want to be true. Example: should Christians follow these laws?
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That's a good question. But that begs the question on if Christians should follow ANY of those laws? The slavery law was given to the Jews specifically. Should they be allowed to have slaves today? If not, that would be going against the rules of god. If slavery is categorically immoral, then why would an all loving god give such a rule in the first place?
 
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titan_tim said:
I don't believe I ever said that you can't be Christian and be conservative. But you can't be christian and follow this administration. The teachings of love, acceptance, and giving in the bible are diametrically opposed to everything being done.
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I don't think you realise how harsh Christ is in his teachings, which are only reminders of what was already in the Old Testament. Take sexual behavior, forget about LGBT people. He says that any person, married or not, even if they only look at another person who is not their spouse with lust has already committed the sin of adultery. That's how high the bar is placed.

Can you be specific as to what the administration is doing that's particularly unchristian?
titan_tim said:
That's a good question. But that begs the question on if Christians should follow ANY of those laws? The slavery law was given to the Jews specifically. Should they be allowed to have slaves today? If not, that would be going against the rules of god. If slavery is categorically immoral, then why would an all loving god give such a rule in the first place?
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Can you point out to me where God gives slavery as law and profess that it is good? It is not, never was, it was a consequence of the Fall and our world was closer to it before Christ's coming. The whole pagan world was running its economy on the system of slavery, because well why shouldn't the strong exert their power over the weak? That was perfectly rational, and still is, but Christianity and its teachings aren't rational, thank God.

And no God wasn't going to intervene and say: "you know what, there's a system that's going to be invented in the future, it's called capitalism, much more moral than slavery! Here's a copy of John Locke's body of work."

Anyway, just because something is mentionned in the Bible does not mean that God approves of it. Same with polygamy, yes it ended up being practiced as a consequence of the Fall (because why shouldn't all the most powerful men get most of the women, that's perfectly rational too), but nowhere does God or Christ say that it is good.

God worked with what He had to bring us back to our pre-Fall state (bulk of the work was done with the incarnation), many times he was just like "I'm going to just kill them all and start over, it's no use" since we humans were (and still are) so hopeless.
 
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XenoFredo said:
I don't think you realise how harsh Christ is in his teachings, which are only reminders of what was already in the Old Testament. Take sexual behavior, forget about LGBT people. He says that any person, married or not, even if they only look at another person who is not their spouse with lust has already committed the sin of adultery. That's how high the bar is placed.

Can you be specific as to what the administration is doing that's particularly unchristian?

Can you point out to me where God gives slavery as law and profess that it is good? It is not, never was, it was a consequence of the Fall and our world was closer to it before Christ's coming. The whole pagan world was running its economy on the system of slavery, because well why shouldn't the strong exert their power over the weak? That was perfectly rational, and still is, but Christianity and its teachings aren't rational, thank God.

And no God wasn't going to intervene and say: "you know what, there's a system that's going to be invented in the future, it's called capitalism, much more moral than slavery! Here's a copy of John Locke's body of work."

Anyway, just because something is mentionned in the Bible does not mean that God approves of it. Same with polygamy, yes it ended up being practiced as a consequence of the Fall (because why shouldn't all the most powerful men get most of the women, that's perfectly rational too), but nowhere does God or Christ say that it is good.

God worked with what He had to bring us back to our pre-Fall state (bulk of the work was done with the incarnation), many times he was just like "I'm going to just kill them all and start over, it's no use" since we humans were (and still are) so hopeless.
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Now I'm curious, what do you think about atheist people? In fasciscm and nazism religion is kinda imposed. So those things should never come back
 
zekro94 said:
Now I'm curious, what do you think about atheist people? In fasciscm and nazism religion is kinda imposed. So those things should never come back
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There was *an attempt* at imposing religion through the formation of the Reich Church which ultimately failed. Hitler was more interested in national unity than he was in religion, he banned Judaism (naturally) and many flavours of Christianity, most notably he was at odds with the Catholic church. Persecution continued even after the Reich signed a concordat with the Vatican. Even some of the Protestant churches in Germany weren’t too thrilled with Hitler, which is why the attempt to unify them under the Nazi banner failed. Fascism was more interested in religion since the Italian People’s Party supported Mussolini and was “inspired” by Catholic doctrine, but that relationship was also complicated. While Catholicism became the de facto state religion, Mussolini himself believed religious belief was primitive and it was fascism in and out of itself that was a seed of new religion. In the long run this led to the emergence of fascist mysticism, a school of thought that maintained religion is incompatible with reason and fascism as a concept “is the religion of life” that establishes “a spiritual community” between people. So… not very Christian when you look at both a little closer.
 
Costello said:
Fascism and nazism have no place on this forum.
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If only you could add Communism to these rules, then maybe people wouldn't be calling you all a bunch of hypocrite cowards.

Pretty "brave" to fight ideologies that have been dead for 80+ years (Hitler died in 1945, and so did Mussolini), while openly advocating for an ideology that is 99% identical to fascism and nazism and still has countless victims worldwide in countries like Cuba, Venezuela, China and North Korea.

You're not being anti-fascist, you're merely protecting YOUR favorite type of fascism.
 
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