Nintendo tracks down and sues pirate by using Reddit posts and repair orders

Xzi · 2024-11-17T03:47:39+0000

BlusterBong said:
Does the big three even have any real reason to do so outside "they'll totally make a shitzlillion dollars!!" when doing so will probably result in them only letting you back up games you bought that can only be used on the console your account is tied to and put in a bullshit format that'll be way harder to use outside it than it's worth (especially with Microsoft and Sony) and PC already does that by default through copy-pasting the files?

That's exactly it, selling your games on PC is an easy way of simultaneously generating more revenue and also allowing for preservation. Again though, not something I expect Nintendo to do because they're stuck in the past.

BlusterBong said:
And will the joe casuals of the world (who I will continually remind people that they are a completely different beast than the hardcore gamers like many of the users here) even use the feature when they'll more likely than not just redownload the game anyways like they have been doing since the PS3?Xbox 360 generation?

Who cares? Not everybody needs to use every feature to make it worthwhile, and none of the big three have been pro-consumer enough that they can take positive PR for granted. A win's a win.

Nincompoopdo · 2024-11-17T03:50:45+0000

BlusterBong said:
El contra, my friend, cuz they got plenty of gas in the tank even with the revenue slowing down, plus they still have that 9 billion dollar investment staved up iirc.

I am not saying they are going bankrupt. Every company has please their shareholders with earnings report. You have a savings account and a spending account - if the spending account is running dry because of less revenue then you have to dig into the savings. This always happen at the end of the console cycle, you will need as much revenue you can get at this point to avoid using too much from the savings account.

Nintendo is now discounting their first party games - which is rare because they almost never do such a thing. Desperate times call for desperate measures - they have already taken down all the Switch emulators and will keep going for the pirates in the next 6 months to protect their revenue.

LagunaLoire88 · 2024-11-17T04:00:17+0000

Dust2dust said:
Except games are a luxury. If a father has limited money and has a choice between buying food for his family, and buying a new game for the family, which one will he choose? Games publishers know they can't strictly follow inflation.

What you mean? Your logic makes sense if you must buy the latest games. Allot of games go on discount and on second hand, especially when with switch games you do not need to worry for the game to be scratched.

Sure Nintendo can help by putting games on discount as there are some games years old and never had a real discount.

Still your logic doesn't make sens to Nintendo or legally as you have the option to cheaper platforms or go to garage sales or the like and grab a Wii and 10 games for $50.

You have a budget, then you can work around it, saying I can rob someone's profit as I can not afford it is trying to find a stupid justification for piracy.

Look I am not meaning to take a jab at you but legally why your statement makes no sense because if you go to court, a judge will give you full punishment for piracy by saying you could have what I stated above but chose not to and look at how long you have done it and see that likely you will repeat piracy so a full punishment is required to make you think not to be a repeat offender.

Look I had poor upbringing, I literally had nothing, not even toys growing up, so yeah it is easy to justify piracy, especially when PS1 and PS2 era espcially easier when the PS1 and PS2 had tons of piracy and Sony was still successful enough to go onto PS3 and be as big as it did.

Still telling me a budget is your justification to break the law, please, and blaming Nintendo and every big other company especially when they are taking perfectly legal actions. I mean why not talk to the politicians who allow such a market that is more profitable than anything else just get more expensive especially when they are pushing digital sales at THE SAME price as physical is ridicolous. i mean when laws come in to place for the consumer the companies stumble to comply, like when a european company put a restriction to microtransactions and loot boxes, EA just suddenly removed it. Or when Apple had to add type c to their devices and so on.

impeeza · 2024-11-17T04:09:34+0000

Here we go. Again...

pustal · 2024-11-17T05:23:56+0000

Chary said:
There's a shocking amount of people who just fly way too close to the sun these days, and don't even try to cover their tracks. I'm honestly surprised it took this long to shut down those freeshop-adjacent setups.

Please don't tell Nintendo that I'm playing a leaked copy of Metroid 4: Beyond and that my name is Stanley Pierre-Louis.

Dust2dust · 2024-11-17T05:24:22+0000

LagunaLoire88 said:
What you mean? Your logic makes sense if you must buy the latest games. Allot of games go on discount and on second hand, especially when with switch games you do not need to worry for the game to be scratched.

Sure Nintendo can help by putting games on discount as there are some games years old and never had a real discount.

Still your logic doesn't make sens to Nintendo or legally as you have the option to cheaper platforms or go to garage sales or the like and grab a Wii and 10 games for $50.

You have a budget, then you can work around it, saying I can rob someone's profit as I can not afford it is trying to find a stupid justification for piracy.

I'm not saying the high price is a justification to pirate. A die-hard pirate will do it, whether the game sells for $10 or $100 doesn't matter. What I was implying is that the game publishers are somewhat limited for how much they can charge for a new game. Buyers don't have unlimited funds, and if the game is too expensive, they'll either wait for a discount or not buy it at all (and possibly pirate it). I'm pirating now, but in the past, I supported the game industry a lot. I started buying games in the 16-bit era, and mostly stopped around the PS3 era. I didn't calculate, but I must have spent between $15K and $25K. No joke, I remember buying Strider for the Sega Genesis for a whopping $99 back in the early 90's. And I would say over 60% were brand new. Heck, some of my purchases are still shrink-wrapped because I never found the time to play them (mostly some PS2 RPGs). And I still own them all, as I never sold the games i bought, or traded them in. Someday I should sell them, as I won't live forever. Of course, I'm not justifying my pirating now with this argument, but I've kind of done my fair share to support the industry in the past.

chrisrlink · 2024-11-17T07:06:07+0000

Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, watch as some member of the reddit makes a bold move and doxx's this law firm and hacks their network I would bet my soul on it

The Real Jdbye · 2024-11-17T08:32:44+0000

He complied with the C&D, and they went ahead and sued him anyway? Poor form, Nintendo.

LexDG · 2024-11-17T08:40:58+0000

The Catboy said:
Here’s the thing, it’s not illegal to talk about crimes. Anyone can say, “I’m a pirate!” But without evidence, there’s nothing there. Considering this dude flew too close to the sun, it was more than just what he was saying that got him into trouble

But also, there’s a REASON you have a right to remain silent. And that’s because anything you say CAN be user against you in a court of law.

lwiz · 2024-11-17T10:55:23+0000

Xzi said:
That's exactly it, selling your games on PC is an easy way of simultaneously generating more revenue and also allowing for preservation. Again though, not something I expect Nintendo to do because they're stuck in the past.

Nintendo want to sell consoles too. Having the games published on PC would mean (even with Switch2 probably) that the other platform(s) would run ninty games with better resolution and framerate -> less console sales. Of course the games could be released artificially crippled on other platforms, but history has shown that the artificial limits can and will be torn down.

On the other hand, haven't heard a single item of critique from Atlus, Nihon Falcom nor Fromsoft (just to mention the ones I'm most interested in) on bringing their games into Steam.

The Catboy · 2024-11-17T11:08:05+0000

LexDG said:
But also, there’s a REASON you have a right to remain silent. And that’s because anything you say CAN be user against you in a court of law.

Of course, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences

omega59 · 2024-11-17T13:46:29+0000

Nothing new they always watched online activity. People simply are stupid and who are the idiots buying pirated games. Why is this even news.

Dud · 2024-11-17T13:54:59+0000

omega59 said:
People simply are stupid and who are the idiots buying pirated games. Why is this even news.

You answered your own question. This year, there seems to be a cesspool of numbskull Nintendo fans getting called out for their stupidity. That's what makes it news and free entertainment.

4d1xlaan · 2024-11-17T18:02:40+0000

Xzi said:
That's exactly it, selling your games on PC is an easy way of simultaneously generating more revenue and also allowing for preservation. Again though, not something I expect Nintendo to do because they're stuck in the past.

how does selling on pc "allow" for preservation any more than selling only on consoles...? the game data gets backed up regardless. if anything, console is miles better for preservation, because console drm is far weaker

Skelletonike · 2024-11-17T22:19:08+0000

Nincompoopdo said:
Nintendo is now discounting their first party games - which is rare because they almost never do such a thing. Desperate times call for desperate measures - they have already taken down all the Switch emulators and will keep going for the pirates in the next 6 months to protect their revenue.

Nintendo has been discounting first party games for a long time. During the 3DS there were the Nintendo Selects for example, where the most successful first party games got cheaper rereleases (never exceeding 25€).

DJPlace · 2024-11-17T22:34:30+0000

ertaboy356b said:
If you mean overcharging game prices, well prices has not changed for more than a decade. Games could have been $100 if adjusted to inflation.

that's like games now with some of it's DLC...

Xzi · 2024-11-18T00:36:44+0000

lwiz said:
Nintendo want to sell consoles too.

PS5 is selling faster than PS4 did, despite the fact that all the games are on PC. I suspect console sales would be affected even less with a portable system like Switch, as kids and casuals wouldn't move over to PC gaming regardless.

lwiz said:
Having the games published on PC would mean (even with Switch2 probably) that the other platform(s) would run ninty games with better resolution and framerate

That's already the case with emulation, so Nintendo might as well stop trying to swim against the tide. Leaving a lot of money on the table that way.

4d1xlaan said:
if anything, console is miles better for preservation, because console drm is far weaker

Denuvo always gets removed eventually since it requires paying a subscription fee, and Nintendo would no longer be able to deem backups "illegal" if they didn't require bypassing console encryption.

4d1xlaan · 2024-11-18T00:53:41+0000

Xzi said:
Denuvo always gets removed eventually since it requires paying a subscription fee, and Nintendo would no longer be able to deem backups "illegal" if they didn't require bypassing console encryption.

so you don't actually have a good argument for why pc ports allow for preservation that we can't already do with console releases. got it

Xzi · 2024-11-18T01:06:39+0000

4d1xlaan said:
so you don't actually have a good argument for why pc ports allow for preservation that we can't already do with console releases. got it

I mean if you don't care that Nintendo can sue you for more money than you'll make in your lifetime just for making backups, then sure, no difference. Objectively though, that's a huge difference.

BlusterBong · 2024-11-18T02:37:49+0000

Xzi said:
PS5 is selling faster than PS4 did, despite the fact that all the games are on PC. I suspect console sales would be affected even less with a portable system like Switch, as kids and casuals wouldn't move over to PC gaming regardless.

Hard data says otherwise, as the PS5 just barely crossed over 65 Million sales and currently has 65.3 Million to be exact and most of Sony's gaming division profits have been through digital First and Third party game sales on the PlayStation Store alongside the sales of things like DLCs and fucking microtransactions, while the PS4 at that same timeframe the PS5 has now sold 73.6 million even if you considered the profit from sales by the PlayStation Store. As I said in a previous post on another thread, that is an 11 percent difference in console sales between the two, a difference that's only going to get worse because the PS5 has NO GAMES and they have no new games that they can use in advertising as the new killer game you should buy a PS5 for to the point third party developers like Square Enix straight up dropped Sony exclusivity because the games they tried to have PS5 Exclusive bombed hard.

We also don't know the exact amount the PC versions are selling because Sony consistently merges both the console and PC sales of games to make the number sound more impressive to shareholders and investors while also trying to recoup costs of both the developing costs of the game, and the hardware sales the PS5 is not getting them. Add that to the fact that almost every single one of them has PSN account requirements since their attempts to do so with Helldivers II if you want to buy them legally causing them to be unavailable to half of the planet and it's not really as much of a help as you'd think it is in Sony's case.

and don't even get me started on how the Xbox Series X/S is barely limping behind the XBONE in terms of the sales it had withing the same timespan while the Series S is actively dragging developers down because of how Microsoft marketed the console(s) while they focus a lot more on Game Pass being thier salvation in the game industy. The fact they attempted to kill Tango Gameworks dispite the fact Hi-Fi Rush was deemed successful by MS with little to no advertising and being on both Xbox and PC Game Pass (so it was avalible on PC through the way Microsoft wanted it) on Day 1 of release should show you the attitude Microsoft has towards PC Gaming.

Nintendo meanwhile is a much harder case becuase outside of the Switch and Wii, thier mainline consoles have had a consistant downturn in sales through factors that were mainly thier fault such as the Wii U being poorly marketed or how they made the N64 use Cartrages instead of CDs like Sony and Sega were using at the time and only doubiling down with the GameCube's MiniDVDs while the industry was moving to more mature rated games and only survived through thier handheld consoles (minus the Virtual Boy) having such a large stake in that market. Even in the times of the WII U and 3DS, they still had the prior Wii and DS still selling well enough through thier hardware and software sales to absorb a lot of the damage they could've taken all while the PC market was consiterably less lucrative than it is now (Steam had 8 million concurrent players in 2014 arround the time of that year's Steam Summer Sale).

Even then, the Switch Successor won't have much of a threat caused by the Steam Deck and it's clones becuase the Steam Deck and it's clones fufill the niche of the Handheld PC market while Nintendo has the combined Handheld and Console Market they had gotten with merging of both for the Switch.

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