Cooler, I'm quite impressed with what you have been able to do. Unfortunately, due to my limited understanding of the underlying hardware, I can't just read your code and understand how it works. How is it possible to squeeze so much extra performance per watt, which I think is an excellent metric to use, from the hardware? Is it some kind of JIT dynamic optimizer? I figure it has to be more than just brute force OC since, in general one would see gains, but at the cost of performance per watt due to the asymptotic nature of the performance curve as it reaches maximum potential.
Any insight you can provide would be welcome.
Any insight you can provide would be welcome.
Alright.
BQ21 has a power limit of 4.5A, which gives you about a 18W power draw limit for the board. Now this does have a tolerance for up to 7.2A for spikes, but as soon it hits that limit it throttles the hell out of it. Sustained is 4.5A though. Switch lites have a power limit of 12W, so there's that. Can you exceed these limits? yes, but just because things don't immediately release magic smoke and die doesn't mean its good.
Now moving on to something that isn't just PMIC limits, are the CPU/GPU Regulator limits. Erista has 15A/15A for both, but these essentially don't matter since by the time you reach them you are basically already hitting the PMIC limit anyway. Mariko has 5A for cpu, which I forgot the limits for, and GPU which is 10A. Issue stems from the fact that Mariko is very heavily affected by speedo values. As in, from the worst to best it can be a 3.5W difference between bins on high clocks.
For example this is the difference between a 1504 speedo and a 1688.
Which is tiny, and within margin of error, so we can say that this doesn't matter, however at higher frequencies:
Yeah.
So GPU next. Remember, we have a 10A limit to work with here.
Well this is from one of the best Mariko bins:
(Measurements in A for regulator limits)
And this is from a bad bin
So basically, does it have unsafe frequencies? Yes.
Is there a problem with that? So long as you give users the proper warnings, acknowledge that yes this is dangerous, and make it so that its something that you have to enable and can't be accidental, Then no. I really couldn't care less about people burning their consoles, until we start having people lie about there being nothing dangerous.
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Maybe my math is false, then correct me please.
I have a bad binning on my Mariko CPU: 1569 speedo
5A CPU limit on 1.2 Volt = 6w
With max CPU overclock 2397 MHz boostmode I have measured ~6w on my power meter.
Where everything else is included: display, fan, AC to DC and the other components.
It should be well within the limits.
With 60 fps patches, max GPU OC on the lowest 4IFIR Stage and CPU at 1963MHz ,
my power meter shows me a draw of 9-11w most of the time.
The highest I have measured was 13.2w, but only short spikes in rare cases.
This also shouldn't exceed the limits.
And I play them with a power adapter connected.
The switch with 4IFIR is still heavily undervolted on the lowest Stage and draws less power than with OC Suite.
About -20% in BotW.
I have a bad binning on my Mariko CPU: 1569 speedo
5A CPU limit on 1.2 Volt = 6w
With max CPU overclock 2397 MHz boostmode I have measured ~6w on my power meter.
Where everything else is included: display, fan, AC to DC and the other components.
It should be well within the limits.
With 60 fps patches, max GPU OC on the lowest 4IFIR Stage and CPU at 1963MHz ,
my power meter shows me a draw of 9-11w most of the time.
The highest I have measured was 13.2w, but only short spikes in rare cases.
This also shouldn't exceed the limits.
And I play them with a power adapter connected.
The switch with 4IFIR is still heavily undervolted on the lowest Stage and draws less power than with OC Suite.
About -20% in BotW.
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Just last night I updated 4IFIR to 1.4. Now I can finally post. Do not hurry. Soon.
So GPU next. Remember, we have a 10A limit to work with here.
Well this is from one of the best Mariko bins:
And this is from a bad bin
So basically, does it have unsafe frequencies? Yes.
Why are you telling all this? It has no meaning, because it has nothing to do with 4IFIR. Power consumption is determined not only by frequencies, their voltages are also involved in the formula, which in 4IFIR is much lower than what you suggested. You know about it, but you decided to leave out this detail.
You have been chasing the project for a year and a half, talking about how dangerous it is. And people have been using 4IFIR for a year and a half, not realizing how they lived without it. I am not exaggerating, in the discussion of the project on regional resources you can find not even hundreds, but thousands of reviews.
You will not find a single one about the fact that the burned down. Maybe enough to discuss a non-existent problem? Come back when at least every thousandth device burns down. Even one in hundreds of thousands has not burned down yet. Literally not one. You know about it too.
You also know that it is impossible to go beyond the safe limits of the specifications - this is provided for by software and hardware protection methods. You can't even get close to these values using 4IFIR. Statistics 0 incidents, this is not luck, but a pattern.
You are well aware of the existence of an explicit warning of consequences and a disclaimer. You know very well that I have never stated that 4IFIR is absolutely safe. No one in their right mind would argue about the safety of any homebrew.
Why am I explaining all this 1000 times if you know about it in advance? Because your goal is not to save people from danger. Please return to your friends in discord and do not fool people with these fantastic nonsense.
And re-read the FAQ, for whom did I write it? For people like you. Are you afraid of something that hasn't hurt anyone? It's called a phobia. Contact a specialist. And do not use my project, just go your own way.
Absurd.
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Atmosphere crashes and auto reboots in 4ifir 1.4 (1.3 too) in docked mode for me navigating the overlays, can you fix it please? 2168-0002 error, maybe i didn't read it correctly but the program is 4100000000075E1A.
Edit: I searched the contents folder and there's no 4100000000075E1A, is 4200000000075E1A, i think i misread.
Edit: I searched the contents folder and there's no 4100000000075E1A, is 4200000000075E1A, i think i misread.
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could be the known problem in docked mode:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/updated-edizon-overlay-added-feature.603725/post-10051626
Thanks for the feedback. Right now I'm polishing the release. I would be grateful if you write about issue to the multilingual project support chat. The parser that systematizes bug reports does not yet scan this thread.
I don't know about devices burning down but I visited the 4IFIR telegram today and immediately I can see some impressions of the new update to your project, with users enjoying burning hands instead. This is a genuine comment which anyone can find in the telegram. Look forward to the new update and burning your hands!
I also implore anyone to think very carefully before using the unknown cloud service used for this project that openly talks about vamping from the user's browser. Again, you can verify this by looking into it yourself.
Cooler3D will need to make sure all source code changes are readily accessible if he wants to present any project update here, the above website will not be acceptable for that purpose.
A GIT repository would be ideal, and @Cooler3D already knows that. This might be a little bit troublesome for him as (if I remember correctly) users from the Russian Federation are temporarily banned from the service, but I’m sure he’ll be able to find a suitable alternative. As for what is and is not acceptable, I’d leave that to the staff rather than make any projections ahead of the release - the fact that the hosting service is also used for mining as a form of monetisation strategy is rather annoying and makes the browsing experience rather unpleasant.
All users can edit system_settings.ini. My settings are for quiet operation, but they can easily be changed by any user.
tskin_rate_table_console_on_fwdbg = str!"[[-1000000, 42000, 0, 0], [40000, 45000, 20, 40], [44000, 47000, 40, 50], [46000, 50000, 50, 60], [48000, 54000, 60, 72], [54000, 58000, 72, 110], [58000, 60000, 110, 140], [60000, 66000, 140, 204]]"
tskin_rate_table_handheld_on_fwdbg = str!"[[-1000000, 44000, 0, 0], [43000, 49000, 20, 30], [47000, 51000, 30, 45], [50000, 54000, 45, 51], [53000, 56000, 51, 72], [55000, 58000, 72, 100], [57000, 62000, 100, 120], [61000, 66000, 120, 180]]"
tskin_rate_table_console = str!"[[-1000000, 42000, 0, 0], [40000, 45000, 20, 40], [44000, 47000, 40, 50], [46000, 50000, 50, 60], [48000, 54000, 60, 72], [54000, 58000, 72, 110], [58000, 60000, 110, 140], [60000, 66000, 140, 204]]"
tskin_rate_table_handheld = str!"[[-1000000, 44000, 0, 0], [43000, 49000, 20, 30], [47000, 51000, 30, 45], [50000, 54000, 45, 51], [53000, 56000, 51, 72], [55000, 58000, 72, 100], [57000, 62000, 100, 120], [61000, 66000, 120, 180]]"
tskin_rate_table_handheld_on_fwdbg = str!"[[-1000000, 44000, 0, 0], [43000, 49000, 20, 30], [47000, 51000, 30, 45], [50000, 54000, 45, 51], [53000, 56000, 51, 72], [55000, 58000, 72, 100], [57000, 62000, 100, 120], [61000, 66000, 120, 180]]"
tskin_rate_table_console = str!"[[-1000000, 42000, 0, 0], [40000, 45000, 20, 40], [44000, 47000, 40, 50], [46000, 50000, 50, 60], [48000, 54000, 60, 72], [54000, 58000, 72, 110], [58000, 60000, 110, 140], [60000, 66000, 140, 204]]"
tskin_rate_table_handheld = str!"[[-1000000, 44000, 0, 0], [43000, 49000, 20, 30], [47000, 51000, 30, 45], [50000, 54000, 45, 51], [53000, 56000, 51, 72], [55000, 58000, 72, 100], [57000, 62000, 100, 120], [61000, 66000, 120, 180]]"
O_O There are no hidden miners on my cloud! There never were and never will be, and I absolutely do not monetize the project, I refused donations and patronage hundreds of times, I did not accept a single one. And I still refuse regularly. There are no analytics collectors in 4IFIR, I even sawed out the system ones. Miner is not there either. And on the online configurator page. Nowhere.
I never pointed out any specific voltage, and if you're setting lower ones and getting better results then great. It is possible to go beyond the safe limits, and hardware has tolerences for that but its not ideal, your pack seems to not do this to a degree. I recall you stating that it was safe and that some limits were nonexistant or non issues, although my memory is hazy on those details. I will agree with you on the voltage thing for CPU, which the graphs were in watts, but GPU is in amps, which is its own issue but I digress. I couldn't care less about people burning their switches, ive said this before. Anyway, just acknowledge that these limits exist, and that your software potentially exceeds them, that's all im asking.
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It's decently spot on, however you do have to take into account some other things. GPU readings in my post we're in amps, reading the 10A limit. If the pack doesn't exceed those limits then its a non issue.
So? This is an extreme overclocking package with the stated aim being to deliver to users that have no understanding or capability of putting it together for themselves. You therefore cannot expect them to know how to edit fan curves either.
Additionally we have no idea of what this package is doing on a deeper level because the author intentionally makes it difficult or outright impossible to obtain the source under the guise of punishing some developers, which of course makes zero sense.
Further, as an example, we can take a look at the GPL guidelines: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic
"if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL."
As you can see in this example the language has nothing to do with developers, you are obligated to make the source changes available available to your users, therefore you are only punishing your own users by limiting and obscuring access to the changes.
Luckily the gbatemp staff have stated that the current version of the source code must be made fully available if this Cooler3D character wishes to properly share his project here.
But I remember very well what I said then, later and now.
All the time of existence on the GBA, everyone who wants to try 4IFIR has come across my disclaimer. Am I vaguely expressing myself in it? You've been criticizing a project for a year and a half, and haven't bothered not only to install, but to look into its description? Seriously?
Do you want to talk to me about watts and amps, teach me?
You know the answer. You have heard it many times. It doesn't sound like you have a memory problem.
I will remind you again, please remember, I do not want to return to this question:
4IFIR DOES NOT PROVIDE THE POSSIBILITY TO GO BEYOND THE SAFE LIMITS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE COMPONENT MANUFACTURERS.
Install my scam and see for yourself. You ignore the answers to your questions by continuing to ask them again. like I'm hearing them for the first time. You're spreading myths about things you haven't even bothered to feel in person.
Only you and a small group (10 people, at most) of the RetroNH community, known as toxic project cancelers, do this. No one else in the world matches this pattern of behavior. I rightly interpret this as deliberate, targeted harassment, trolling and provocation.
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Can I help you find the link to the cloud with the code that I posted 8 times in the thread?
We've been over this and you already admitted that you made it difficult to obtain the code as some kind of get back at developers.
The unknown cloud service is not usable with its multiple GB of disorganized files and I worry about malware on a site that openly admits to vamping from the user's browser.
Currently I don't care but if you launch your project here again I expect to able to access all changes to all the modified projects you use and different packages you offer. All you have to do is put the modified source code on a git capable website, what's the problem? You could even zip and attach it here.
I’m under the impression that the website does this automatically in lieu of ads, but I’m not sure - haven’t really looked into it that much.
Can we keep the drama to a minimum, pretty please? GBATemp doesn’t revolve around 4FIR, not every post necessitates a response.
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Some sort of police thing going on near me lol "Get out of the car with your hands up and walk backwards towards us" over a loud speaker thing
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