The difficulties of legal game preservation and backups showcased in latest Completionist video



The Nintendo Wii U and 3DS eShops are closing next week, which means hundreds upon thousands of games will imminently be forever lost to the shutdown of the respective console's storefronts. Many here are aware of how important game preservation is, and with both the Wii U and 3DS being easy to put CFW and load backups on, it's a fairly simple task to obtain near-complete libraries of either. Of course, while backing up those games may be a legal grey area, playing them without owning them is unlawful, and audiences not tuned into the world of homebrew may not even know about such things to begin with.

Which is why YouTube personality The Completionist has decided to purchase every single available game on both the Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Wii U eShops. This endeavor consisted of purchasing 866 Wii U digital titles, and 1,547 3DS games, including all DLC and Virtual Console releases, totaling at over $22,000. The video showcases the difficulties in legally compiling a complete backup of both the Wii U and 3DS, ranging from the problems arising from trying to obtain $18,000 worth of eShop cards, to trying to actually make purchases since you can only load $250 worth of eShop credit at a time, being locked out by Nintendo from making so many transactions at a time, slow downloads from Nintendo's servers, the limitations of the 3DS, and other obstacles.

The video is an important display of why video game preservation is so important, and the arduous process of backing up media so that it does not become lost forever.
 

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I don't agree. Piracy is selling someone else's work for profit (like those "full of games HDD's" being sold on so many e-commerce platforms), while preservation (backup keeping) is not.

We should have the right to keep a backup of our games so to be able to play them again whenever we would like to, even if their e-shops got closed ages ago. The morality of this all boils to the fact that so many people seek profit out of preservationism, while ignoring it's main reason, and that should and must be illegal.

Piracy and preservation are not the same thing.
Today's pirates are tomorrow's preservationists. Coming from the dark ages of collecting 1995-2007, it was only through the efforts of pirates that we even have ROMs to question the ethics of possessing these ROMs- for preservation or otherwise.
 

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I don't agree. Piracy is selling someone else's work for profit (like those "full of games HDD's" being sold on so many e-commerce platforms), while preservation (backup keeping) is not.

We should have the right to keep a backup of our games so to be able to play them again whenever we would like to, even if their e-shops got closed ages ago. The morality of this all boils to the fact that so many people seek profit out of preservationism, while ignoring it's main reason, and that should and must be illegal.

Piracy and preservation are not the same thing.
I don't get why pirates always "justify" why they pirate software. The coolest pirates are those who just pirates them quietly. Most pirates are leeches anyway.
 

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I don't get why pirates always "justify" why they pirate software. The coolest pirates are those who just pirates them quietly. Most pirates are leeches anyway.
I no longer pirate games, and I don't really care if someone pirates. However, I think justifying why you pirate is complete bullshit. Also, we're supposed to think your cool for following a five minute tutorial to hack your system? You're right about most being leechers.
 
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In the US and similar rich countries, a game costs under 10 hours of work at minimum wage.

I used to pirate everything since a single game costs like a week's worth of food over here, over 1/4 of our monthly minimum wage - 41 hours of work. Piracy is a no-brainer for gamers in poorer countries.

Only after getting what is considered a high paying job over here (under US$ 20k an year still), I got to move out of piracy to buying used/on sale games, and eventually 1-2 games I really wanted on release.

Nowadays, I only pirate PC games when I want to "demo" a game, then quit and buy it on Steam, preferably on a sale, and only if it's under R$ 100 (~$18).

Got a lot of digital PS3-PS5 games, all rightfully bought.

Full piracy on the Switch though, since ninty banned my devices.
Their loss, as I would never touch online and would still buy their games on e-shop.

I sincerely thank pirates from the bottom of my heart for making gaming a viable hobby for us less favored humans.
 
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Spending all that money is one thing, but they must have had the patience of saints to spend so much time dealing with the eShop and Nintendo's archaic storage restrictions. Much easier to download all these games in bulk the "wrong" way, but you do run the risk of getting some altered/bad dumps.
 
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Just strange. All games released on a single console's lifespan are not meant to be owned by a single person. It's like a menu in a restaurant. You're not supposed to order everything on the menu and eat it. Besides, he will never have time to play everything he just bought. As for game preservation, most of these games are available to download with just a simple google search. There was no need to panic and buy everything.
And that's not even getting into games that were also released on other systems besides Wii U and 3DS.
Of many of those ports and multiplats, the games are actually better on those other systems.
 

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hum... I don't think that is the only definition of piracy
For example, downloading a game for free is piracy (even if i dont sell it afterward)
Absolutely. Software piracy is any breach of the user license agreement or copyright restrictions.

The eshop user license (in the US at least, I only read that one) stipulates that you don’t own the files that you download from the eshop and That they are tied to the users account, which can’t be transferred to another person, for free or for profit.

This brilliantly showcases the absurdity of piracy restrictions when someone goes to this much effort to do something lawfully, yet ends up pirating the entire catalogue of two Nintendo consoles by giving the games to a preservation charity.
 
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I don't think it's a good idea to purchase them all, if the SD card or hard drive fails or not even this, if the console fails your money is wasted.
I'm anti eshop because of this issue, they say it's your last chance to download your purchased games.
The only company that comes in my mind who never let their customers down is valve but Nintendo is one of the worst (maybe the worst) when it comes to preservation. The only thing they care about is money and keep selling the game over and over again.
 

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I no longer pirate games, and I don't really care if someone pirates. However, I think justifying why you pirate is complete bullshit. Also, we're supposed to think your cool for following a five minute tutorial to hack your system? You're right about most being leechers.
I had ton of experience with people telling me "cool" "hacker" just because I can follow a *.hacks.guide tutorial lmao. The community made it quite easy to softmod systems nowadays and I am always grateful for that. I remembered during the 3DS days where there's a high chance to brick your system because downgrading is risky and sometimes rxTools does things.
 

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LMAO, spent 20k on Wii U games. I have 1 tb hdd & a 512 ssd with a whole bunch of games I want to keep for free. Well, not really free I had to buy the console, sd cards, the external drives, Then I have to pay the hydro, Telus etc.

Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, 20k on wii u games lol. What a freaking lunatic.
The sad thing is that he bought games he doesn't actually own. I mean, if they were physical, he'd use the disc/card and have the game right there (!), but with digital he's stuck to it being on a server and the ability that they're downloadable. Sure, he can make copies of it.. until it gets lost here or there.

Digital purchases have little to no ownership. Pirating is a safer bet to owning the games.
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Good that i saved as good as every Wii u game on my HDD.
I thought about doing that and then realized it'd be a small amount as most have been re-released on other consoles.
 
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Honestly, this was more of an entertaining watch than someone flexing they bought thousands of dollars on digital Nintendo games. And considering that someone went through all the hoops to obtain everything *legally* is hilarious on its own. Also heard rumblings that they're donating the hard drives and SD cards to the Video Game History Foundation, which is pretty cool.

Alas, *the redacted shop* will have to pave the way in a few days.
 
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Also heard rumblings that they're donating the hard drives and SD cards to the Video Game History Foundation, which is pretty cool.
Ah yes, a bunch of external storages with encrypted data tied to specific consoles that will sure never die.
 

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Ah yes, a bunch of external storages with encrypted data tied to specific consoles that will sure never die.
gee, you must be so much fun at parties! :D
anyways yeah the foundation will most likely decrypt said files and.. well they can't upload them or anything, legally but i guess they'll just sort of sit in a vault or something
 
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What is going to do after the card will corrupt?
Well, backups are an option except it's not a safe guarantee it'll be available for years to come.
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anyways yeah the foundation will most likely decrypt said files and.. well they can't upload them or anything, legally but i guess they'll just sort of sit in a vault or something
Don't they have a server of theirs to preserve it somehow?
 

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Attachment is a problem for humans, people need to learn how to let go. When something is gone, let it go.

When we die, all memories of this life is gone. Stop being so attached to things.
 
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