The situation in Ukraine...

[Xzi]

Trump never tried to weaken the Ukrainian military - he was using leverage.

Right, otherwise known as blackmail. For dirt on Biden that Ukraine literally didn't have. Nobody said Trump was the sharpest tool in the shed, but he still tried to weaken the Ukrainian military at a time when he already knew Russia had designs on invasion.

At some point people on the left will have to accept that not everything is Orange Boogeyman’s fault

I've been saying this entire time the invasion of Ukraine was/is completely Putin's fault. Trump was just his useful stooge, less so now that he's losing influence and continuing to pick the morally bankrupt side on every issue.

The whole point was to create the image of a guy you’d rather be friends than enemies with, and it was effective, like it or not.

Trump is the furthest possible thing from likable. The truth is that even Kim Jong Un took one look at him and knew he could play the idiot like a fiddle. Pay Trump a single compliment and he'll give you nukes (hyperbole, but just barely). That's NPD for you, and it's why people with that disorder should never ever be president.

He said specifically that Putin’s brilliant for using a peacekeeping justification, especially given the timing.

Still shows support for a war criminal, and still not even remotely accurate. Nobody bought that flimsy excuse. The second Putin declared two regions of Ukraine "independent," the media started correctly categorizing it as an invasion.

Putin expected the west’s response to be toothless, and so far the only sanctions are economic, so it is toothless in a way.

The sanctions cut Putin's war chest literally in half, and Ukraine reports that up to 40% of Russian invaders have been killed. There is a very real possibility that this ends up a total loss by Russia to a military about a quarter of the size.

In slightly different circumstances, ideally during summer, Ukraine could have well fallen by now.

Disagree. It's obvious in hindsight that Russia's bark has been much bigger than its bite for decades. They paid out to manufacture a few "show" models of newer military tech/equipment, but the vast majority of what they've got is from the 1980s or even WW2.

This conflict revolves solely around Putin and his delusion of grandeur. He misses the good ‘ol Soviet Union.

On that we can agree. Right-wing boomers always want to take their countries back in time when they gain power, rather than doing anything to improve things in the here and now.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

plus again this was never bout "nazi" as that so called Nazi Group had less then 900 member and Ukriane has a pop of 42 mil

I don´t know the current size of the Azov battalion but it used to have 3000 men (and were not the only Nazi-glorifing group). Comparing 3000 to 42mio is childish, girly even. 42mio minus half (women) minus half (too old or too young) minus 90% or more who do not actually want to fight or do not know how: round about 1mio men in Ukraine (standing army: 250.000 or something)
3000 men can do a lot of damage, less have taken over large cities in Afghanistan last year.
The Azov battalion openly denied following the orders of the Ukrainian president and he did not punish them.

 

[smf]

If Trump was re-elected, I'm pretty sure he would've rethunk any invasion

Trump & Putin would have been taken a ride on their flying unicorn and spread joy around the world.

Happy Trump & Putin Unicorn day to you.

 

[djpannda]

I don´t know the current size of the Azov battalion but it used to have 3000 men (and were not the only Nazi-glorifing group). Comparing 3000 to 42mio is childish, girly even. 42mio minus half (women) minus half (too old or too young) minus 90% or more who do not actually want to fight or do not know how: round about 1mio men in Ukraine (standing army: 250.000 or something)
3000 men can do a lot of damage, less have taken over large cities in Afghanistan last year.
The Azov battalion openly denied following the orders of the Ukrainian president and he did not punish them.

..you do know people Join Azov to fight Russia not because they were NAZI... but because they were Trying to stop Russian from Destroying Ukraine
but I understand that common sense is difficult when you can only read off an approved script..
lets even use your number 3,000 in a country wit 42 million, so called NAZI Population of 0.007%. and you are saying destroying a country and commit war crimes is justified for 0.007%

so your saying Putin needs to do the same to its own people as Russia Nazi Party RNU has over 1000,000 Members.. funny how Putin attacking 3000 Nazi when he has 100,000 nazis right "inside Him"

 

[sombrerosonic]

Man. People argue over everything

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

..you do know people Join Azov to fight Russia not because they were NAZI... but because they were Trying to stop Russian from Destroying Ukraine
but I understand that common sense is difficult when you can only read off an approved script..
lets even use your number 3,000 in a country wit 42 million, so called NAZI Population of 0.007%. and you are saying destroying a country and commit war crimes is justified for 0.007%

so your saying Putin needs to do the same to its own people as Russia Nazi Party RNU has over 1000,000 Members.. funny how Putin attacking 3000 Nazi when he has 100,000 nazis right "inside Him"

Since 2014 the Azov battalion has attacked the independence-declaring oblasts in the east. If you support Taiwan independence and American independence, I am sure you have sympathy for Lugansk and Donetsk.
If it is ok to join forces with Nazis (I mean Hitler´s men in 1941), I am sure it must be ok to join forces with Putin´s henchmen (as you would call them) in 2014.

Saying that only 3000 men are Nazis in Ukraine is like stating that on January 6th only a few thousand people marched on the capitol in the US. Since a lot of them are behind bars, the problem is solved.

Regarding the Nazis in Russia: The Russian government opposes them. If they were attacking villages in Central or East Asia in a military fashion, you can expect a swift response from the Russian government - unlike in Ukraine. The Russian identity is caught between its European origin and Oriental destiny. There is a lot of racism prevalent in the Russian civilization (including Ukraine) dating back to at least the time of the Mongols. The Ukrainians see the Russians as the Eastern hordes, the Russians the Central or East Asian elements of their country. With Russian power declining and Chinese power increasing, we can expect a major flashpoint in Eastern Russia in the distant future. China has not forgotten the theft of land (though it is not on the agenda in the forseeable future) during the 19th century. Russia didn´t used to border Korea.

It is funny how you accuse me of following approved scripts. What I just told you is not welcome at all in China. Officially, Taipei wants those lands back from Russia. Beijing has - at least for now - accepted their loss. Unless you accuse me of following a Russian script, which also doesn´t make sense.
Unlike you I am an actual independent mind.

 

[djpannda]

Regarding the Nazis in Russia: The Russian government opposes them.

lol your whole argument is completely void with that statement.
You just Proved this Russian War Crime is not about Nazi but Land.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

lol your whole argument is completely void with that statement.

How so?

You just Proved this Russian War Crime is not about Nazi but Land.

Both. A NATO Ukraine makes it difficult for Russia to defend itself in tank warfare.

 

[Coto]

So Fake News/corrupt NATO members saying how Ukraine won't join NATO, when instead, the Ukrainian president kindly asks NATO to close the skies or to at least assist them with jetfighters.

You can clearly see NATO members, like Boris Johnson, being connected to World Economic Forum or other Communist agendas

Real NATO members proving further they stand with Ukraine

 

[djpannda]

Brand new “non-burner” account,
This you?

 

[djpannda]

Hey Putin, found some more Nazis…
“He has Jewish roots”…oh the person who said that is in the Russian Duma.. shocking Putin still has not Denazify the Duma

 

[Dr_Faustus]

I've heard putin have cancer in his little brain

It would fold in with my theory that he is basically having fun now because he knows he is at the end of his life and just wants to go out in a blaze of chaos of his own making.

Russia asks China for military assistance in its invasion of Ukraine​

Ouch I guess The Formal “superpower” is doing worse then people believe… Can’t wait for Russia to become the “United China” after Putin self all Russian assets to the CCP

My bet is that China will not do anything of this nature as their real plan is to probably watch Russia devalue itself so hard into the ground that China will just take over for everything and absorb Russia into themselves. Its a dangerously smart play if it goes that way (and given that Russian banks/currency are already being helped by China the plan might already be going into full swing.)

this is all nuts, never thought i'd see alt-righters sucking putins dick. guess there is a first time for everything. i mean, we are sitting here with people streaming videos of russians blowing up medical infrastructure on purpose, and people are going calling their leader "Chadimir Putin". it's memerific "wtf i love putin now"

fox news consumers suffering major cognitive dissonance once they figured out fox was an arm of the russian state propaganda.

The Red Scare was always a thing, they just never thought to check from the inside of their party.

 

[djpannda]

MY bet is that China will not do anything of this nature as their real plan is to probably watch Russia devalue itself so hard into the ground that China will just take over for everything and absorb Russia into themselves. Its a dangerously smart play if it goes that way (and given that Russian banks/currency are already being helped by China the plan might already be going into full swing.)

This is True, Thats why China might provider *food* in Humanity sense but will not send Military aid. China wins no matter in the 2 out 3 scenarios as long as it does not actively look for War.
1) Russia wins and sanctions automatically disappear ( china already bought Russian assets, appears stronger in the worlds eyes)
2) Russia colapses (China buy alll the Russia assets they not already have and directly Control 1/4 of the planet)
3) WWIII ( best believe China does not want this as it would VOID Most of Chinese US/Europe ownership and debt (billions over billions) not to mention All the South American countries will also try to void them also.

 

[djpannda]

MY bet is that China will not do anything of this nature as their real plan is to probably watch Russia devalue itself so hard into the ground that China will just take over for everything and absorb Russia into themselves. Its a dangerously smart play if it goes that way (and given that Russian banks/currency are already being helped by China the plan might already be going into full swing.)

This is True, Thats why China might provider *food* in Humanity sense but will not send Military aid. China wins no matter in the 2 out 3 scenarios as long as it does not actively look for War.
1) Russia wins and sanctions automatically disappear ( china already bought Russian assets, appears stronger in the worlds eyes)
2) Russia colapses (China buy alll the Russia assets they not already have and directly Control 1/4 of the planet)
3) WWIII ( best believe China does not want this as it would VOID Most of Chinese US/Europe ownership and debt (billions over billions) not to mention All the South American countries will also try to void them also.

 

[Coto]

Connected to Ukraine, since Russia's an extension of China up to this point:

Taiwan military holds combat drills near Chinese coast

 

[djpannda]

HE Did IT!!


All it took was destroying half of a Sovereign Nation, killing thousands of civilians, losing about 10,000 Russian Troops (killed,injured and captured) 1000 of Russian Military Vehicles lost, The Destruction of the Russian Economy and stock Market, The Social rejection of Russian identity and participation, The total censorship of Media.
a More United NATO and World ( with either Sewden and Norway joining NATO or Creating a New Group)

and the Most likely scenario of Russian government being forced to pay billions to Ukriane to rebuild..

but other then that ........yes SUCCCES !

 

[Lucaserf]

How so?

Both. A NATO Ukraine makes it difficult for Russia to defend itself in tank warfare.

WHAT TANK WARFARE? ITS NOT THE COLD WAR ANYMORE. Why do you believe NATO would invade Russia? You're eating too much Kremlin propaganda

 

[djpannda]

WHAT TANK WARFARE? ITS NOT THE COLD WAR ANYMORE. Why do you believe NATO would invade Russia? You're eating too much Kremlin propaganda

handheld Javelins have made Tanks Obsolete.

 

[Foxi4]

Right, otherwise known as blackmail. For dirt on Biden that Ukraine literally didn't have. Nobody said Trump was the sharpest tool in the shed, but he still tried to weaken the Ukrainian military at a time when he already knew Russia had designs on invasion.

I've been saying this entire time the invasion of Ukraine was/is completely Putin's fault. Trump was just his useful stooge, less so now that he's losing influence and continuing to pick the morally bankrupt side on every issue.

Trump is the furthest possible thing from likable. The truth is that even Kim Jong Un took one look at him and knew he could play the idiot like a fiddle. Pay Trump a single compliment and he'll give you nukes (hyperbole, but just barely). That's NPD for you, and it's why people with that disorder should never ever be president.

Still shows support for a war criminal, and still not even remotely accurate. Nobody bought that flimsy excuse. The second Putin declared two regions of Ukraine "independent," the media started correctly categorizing it as an invasion.

The sanctions cut Putin's war chest literally in half, and Ukraine reports that up to 40% of Russian invaders have been killed. There is a very real possibility that this ends up a total loss by Russia to a military about a quarter of the size.

Disagree. It's obvious in hindsight that Russia's bark has been much bigger than its bite for decades. They paid out to manufacture a few "show" models of newer military tech/equipment, but the vast majority of what they've got is from the 1980s or even WW2.

On that we can agree. Right-wing boomers always want to take their countries back in time when they gain power, rather than doing anything to improve things in the here and now.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on some of the key points then. You’re absolutely correct in saying that economic sanctions have put the Russian economy on its knees, but I’m not seeing any evidence of it putting the military at bay - Russia is keen on using the instrument of force, not honey, to send soldiers into war zones they don’t want to be in. As for describing a former KGB agent as a right-winger, that’s comical. Regarding the state of the military equipment they use, I made that point several pages ago, but I like hearing my own words, so you can keep repeating them as long as you please.

Said leverage is a threat... to the
ukraine military....
Either:
They comply with what was demanded.
Or get their teeth kicked in, head smashed and oh hey do I smell a fire?

It’s leverage. “I will delay giving you my money” is not a form of aggression, the president of the United States is not responsible for the budget of a foreign nation.

Yeah let me stop you right there. I don't like Obama, but your making a false equivalency statement.
What Obama did was CONGRESSIONALLY SUPPORTED. As in, you know, got the support of Congress to do that?
While trump did it on a phone call, without Congress permission, without congress coordination. (the president does not control the budget. It's approved by congress) so yeah that's pretty null argument.

The president does not require congressional approval for any temporary freeze of funding. Congressional approval is only required to permanently rescind funding. Congress sets the budget via the budget committees, the power to execute is solely in the hands of the executive branch. The Impoundment Control Act describes these procedures in great detail, no law was broken.

 

[djpannda]

Hey look…Russia does not look like it’s in a good standing !

But Putin says it’s part of the plan