[POLL] Have you had Covid-19 before?

[BitMasterPlus]

I suppose that article is a bit dated, but there are more articles that vaccines do completely work, so the unvaccinated should get it and stop clogging up the hospitals. Selfish bastards.

 

[Lacius]

I suppose that article is a bit dated, but there are more articles that vaccines do completely work, so the unvaccinated should get it and stop clogging up the hospitals. Selfish bastards.

The vaccine is not 100% effective, but it is effective. And, as I've point out numerous times, the vaccine is very likely to keep people out of the hospital. The vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

 

[The Catboy]

The vaccine is not 100% effective, but it is effective. And, as I've point out numerous times, the vaccine is very likely to keep people out of the hospital. The vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

It's disappointing that we can keep repeating the same thing and even provide evidence to counter all of the nonsense posted and yet get nowhere. Honestly, it's more upsetting the people posting the nonsense will literally do so without a single credible source and somehow people take them seriously. Or worse, post sources that are either outdated or completely contradict the point they are trying to make.

 

[sarkwalvein]

I've never got Covid-19.

I always had testing available. Before I got vaccinated I got tested around twice a week, it was a requirement for being able to go shopping, restaurants, etc. After I got vaccinated I only got tested before and after flights and sometimes if I felt kind of sick. Still, always negative. I have a booster by the way. To be honest, I am tired of all this shit.

I find value to the vaccination due to the initial health emergency; I know vaccination has saved a lot of people... but then there is this situation lately, like the validity of your "vaccination certificate" suddenly being reduced from the intended 1 year to 9 months, and even then still not fully valid because right now, only 4 months after having completed the scheme, if I didn't have a booster I would once again have downgraded rights (as needing an additional test if you don't have a booster, German 2G and 2G+).

I feel like all this more or less forced "booster every 4 months" business is stretching it... it smells too much of lobbying and taking advantage of the situation to make good profits; I think the situation is getting twisted... anyway that is my opinion, and I think it may be a controversial one.

 

[JuanMena]

I've never got Covid-19.

I always had testing available. Before I got vaccinated I got tested around twice a week, it was a requirement for being able to go shopping, restaurants, etc. After I got vaccinated I only got tested before and after flights and sometimes if I felt kind of sick. Still, always negative. I have a booster by the way. To be honest, I am tired of all this shit.

I find value to the vaccination due to the initial health emergency; I know vaccination has saved a lot of people... but then there is this situation lately, like the validity of your "vaccination certificate" suddenly being reduced from the intended 1 year to 9 months, and even then still not fully valid because right now, only 4 months after having completed the scheme, if I didn't have a booster I would once again have downgraded rights (as needing an additional test if you don't have a booster, German 2G and 2G+).

I feel like all this more or less forced "booster every 4 months" business is stretching it... it smells too much of lobbying and taking advantage of the situation to make good profits; I think the situation is getting twisted... anyway that is my opinion, and I think it may be a controversial one.

Actually it's very interesting.
You pointed out interesting ideas that might be true.

What if all of this is now a plan to get money? No, I'm not making fun of it, but it actually could make sense since there's still this paranoia everywhere in the world with new variants.

Also... 4 month boosts? That's a bit... too soon no?
I thought that they were supposed to be every 6 months, so 2 per year which seems logical as that's how Flu Shots are being handled (at least in my place)

About your idea I discussed earlier, I mean, it makes sense that pharmaceutics are trying to make money with the vaccines, but yet it's a contradictory statement in my case, because the government is giving the shots free, and they have always been free in my country. If all of this suddenly turned into a plan to sell more shots to governments, then, the government is loosing huge quantities of money giving the shots for free.

Aside of that, there's already a pill against COVID-19 (PFIZER'S PAXLOVID)... which by the way... haven't heard any news of.
In my opinion, when we get the pill against the virus, it might soothe the world situation.
Oh, got infected with Covid? Go to the nearest pharmacy and buy the pill, instead of flooding hospitals with people that requires oxygen. I think this is the point where everything wil return to "normal".

 

[Lacius]

Actually it's very interesting.
You pointed out interesting ideas that might be true.

What if all of this is now a plan to get money? No, I'm not making fun of it, but it actually could make sense since there's still this paranoia everywhere in the world with new variants.

Also... 4 month boosts? That's a bit... too soon no?
I thought that they were supposed to be every 6 months, so 2 per year which seems logical as that's how Flu Shots are being handled (at least in my place)

About the your idea I discussed earlier, I mean, it makes sense that pharmaceutics are trying to make money with the vaccines, but yet it's a contradictory statement in my case, because the government is giving the shots free, and they have always been free in my country. If all of this suddenly turned into a plan to sell more shots to governments, then, the government is loosing huge quantities of money giving the shots for free.

Aside of that, there's already a pill against COVID-19... which by the way... haven't heard any news of.
In my opinion, when we get the pill against the virus, it might soothe the world situation.
Oh, got infected with Covid? Go to the nearest pharmacy and buy the pill, instead of flooding hospitals with people that requires oxygen. I think this is the point where everything wil return to "normal".

In the United States, Pfizer boosters are down to five months after the initial two doses, but this is a direct consequence of omicron.

We have pills now that reduce the odds of going to the hospital or dying by around 90%, but they're only effective if taken early, some of the pills have the potential for side effects and don't mix well with other medications, and (probably most importantly), supplies are scarce. The pills are great, but they aren't a substitute for vaccination.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Yeah, a pill that works when you're sick instead of preventive vaccination would be great, to be honest... not sure if it would be more effective or not, but more than anything it will end this stupid divide in society. It is no good to have social rifts for everything, and segregation is never good.

But anyway, and going back to the "booster every 4 months" stuff.
At least here it is not clear what the future will be like, so how soon will you be required to have a second booster I can't say; what is clear up to now are the following statements that apply to Germany:

• Most people completed the vaccination scheme around July or August (well, at least those that wanted to get vaccinated)
• According to the new rules, starting yesterday if you don't have a booster and you want to e.g. go to a restaurant, you need to either get one or do an additional test (2G+).
• That means that if you got vaccinated at the end of August, right now little more than 4 month later you need a booster.
• You can get a booster for free if you got vaccinated 3 months ago or earlier. (well, nothing is free, money comes from your taxes)

 

[JuanMena]

but this is a direct consequence of omicron.

Oh, forgot about this variant. Makes sense.

In the United States, Pfizer boosters are down to five months after the initial two doses, but this is a direct consequence of omicron.

We have pills now that reduce the odds of going to the hospital or dying by around 90%, but they're only effective if taken early, some of the pills have the potential for side effects and don't mix well with other medications, and (probably most importantly), supplies are scarce. The pills are great, but they aren't a substitute for vaccination.

No no, not any pill. Let me see if I can find something about the Anticovid Pill: I CAN'T FIND NEWS IN ENGLISH BUT IT'S NAMED; Pfizer's Paxlovid

Yeah, a pill that works when you're sick instead of preventive vaccination would be great, to be honest... not sure if it would be more effective or not, but more than anything it will end this stupid divide in society. It is no good to have social rifts for everything, and segregation is never good.

Pfizer's Paxlovid

 

[Lacius]

Oh, forgot about this variant. Makes sense.

No no, not any pill. Let me see if I can find something about the Anticovid Pill: I CAN'T FIND NEWS IN ENGLISH BUT IT'S NAMED; Pfizer's Paxlovid


Pfizer's Paxlovid

That's the pill I'm referencing.

 

[JuanMena]

That's the pill I'm referencing.

haha sorry.
Your avatar makes it more funny that it probably is.

 

[Marc_LFD]

No.

If I'd have it, I'd know.

Living in fear does no good to you.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

The vaccine is not 100% effective, but it is effective. And, as I've point out numerous times, the vaccine is very likely to keep people out of the hospital. The vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

Hey man I totally and completely agree with you 100%. It's clear that more people die from being unvaccinated rather than getting vaccinated, and even if the vaccine isn't fully effective, it does appear to be effective enough to stop any kind of outbreaks. All these racist conspiracy theories need to stop once and for all!

 

[Bagel Le Stinky]

not that I know of

 

[stanna]

https://www.banned.video/watch?id=61defadf65f4006c07e17fd3

 

[stanna]

https://www.banned.video/watch?id=61df784eae95bf6e8f3edc68

 

[tabzer]

The vaccine is

Not without risk. Some side effects are life threatening and undetermined. If you suffer complications due to the vaccine, the liability falls on, you, or the person electing to take the vaccine.

Of course the companies will stake their criminal reputations on the "safe and effectiveᵀᴹ" but they won't stake their $.

Essentially they are covered in the event that it is a massive failure. And you will just shrug your shoulders and say that it's a feature of science if confronted.

The strongest advocates, in this forum, seem to be people who think they won't survive without doctors pumping them with meds every so often.

 

[Lacius]

Hey man I totally and completely agree with you 100%. It's clear that more people die from being unvaccinated rather than getting vaccinated,

Most people who die from COVID-19 are elderly and/or have other comorbidities like high blood pressure, cancer, etc. That has nothing to do with the fact that the vast majority of people who die from COVID-19 in the United States are unvaccinated.

Not without risk. Some side effects are life threatening and undetermined.

I agree with you that there's a risk of side effects. However, the odds of your side effects being life-threatening are vanishingly small. In fact, I'm not sure we have a confirmed case of a single person dying from the mRNA vaccines, but somebody can correct me if I'm mistaken.

You might as well be arguing that a seatbelt could cause you to die in a car accident. Sure, that's possible, and it has happened before, but the benefits of wearing a seatbelt far outweigh the risk. The only thing that makes this a false analogy is that a seatbelt protects only you; a vaccine helps to protect you and other people around you.

The strongest advocates, in this forum, seem to be people who think they won't survive without doctors pumping them with meds every so often.

Modern medicine is often life-saving, but I'm not surprised that you had to resort to arguing against medicine broadly in order to defend your boneheaded position against vaccines. We know the COVID-19 vaccines alone have probably saved an estimated 1.1 million lives in the United States.

I'm young and in good health, so I don't believe I was at a high risk of severe symptoms or death when I had COVID-19 a year ago. It was very mild. At this point in time, I don't believe the COVID-19 vaccine has literally saved my life. However, it offers me extra protection, and it helps protect those around me as well. There are also plenty of people who aren't as young or as healthy as I am who would be rational in thinking the COVID-19 vaccine may have actually saved their lives.

Given its safety and efficacy, I don't know why anyone wouldn't get vaccinated.

 

[The Catboy]

Not without risk. Some side effects are life threatening and undetermined. If you suffer complications due to the vaccine, the liability falls on, you, or the person electing to take the vaccine.

Can you actually post a source showing that the side effects are life-threatening?

 

[mightymuffy]

Can you actually post a source showing that the side effects are life-threatening?

Yawn yawn, here we go again from this member.... lemme guess, you don't believe the sun is 93 million miles away from the earth unless you actually see a fukkin astronaut going up there with with a tape measure in his hand?

Like has been mentioned before on previous threads, yet you somehow seem to miss it, how on this fukkin earth do you expect to actually SEE a 'credible source' posting said information on this, given the agenda the governments have taken, and the nature of the information?! Do you really expect, for example, in the obviously massively unlikely event that the vaccine is using dna from unborn aborted fetus, that the governments of the world will hold their hands up in the near future and say 'Well yeah, they do contain it, but never mind - oops a daisy!' - ?? -
But no, you carry on posting 'I need proof!' 'I need proooooff!' - does it sounds cool in your head or something?!

Sort of related, one of the lads that used to work for me had his 3rd vax. No issues with the first 2, yet 15 minutes after taking the 3rd his right arm went numb from the jab region downwards. To the point where he can't move it at all. That was 4 weeks ago, and now he cannot work. Doctors tests cannot find the reason for this. Do you expect him to receive 'proof' this happened due to the vaccine? Did you expect to hear news like this posted on whatever major news site you read? Think about it for God's sake....

 

[The Catboy]

Yawn yawn, here we go again from this member.... lemme guess, you don't believe the sun is 93 million miles away from the earth unless you actually see a fukkin astronaut going up there with with a tape measure in his hand?

Like has been mentioned before on previous threads, yet you somehow seem to miss it, how on this fukkin earth do you expect to actually SEE a 'credible source' posting said information on this, given the agenda the governments have taken, and the nature of the information?! Do you really expect, for example, in the obviously massively unlikely event that the vaccine is using dna from unborn aborted fetus, that the governments of the world will hold their hands up in the near future and say 'Well yeah, they do contain it, but never mind - oops a daisy!' - ?? -
But no, you carry on posting 'I need proof!' 'I need proooooff!' - does it sounds cool in your head or something?!

Sort of related, one of the lads that used to work for me had his 3rd vax. No issues with the first 2, yet 15 minutes after taking the 3rd his right arm went numb from the jab region downwards. To the point where he can't move it at all. That was 4 weeks ago, and now he cannot work. Doctors tests cannot find the reason for this. Do you expect him to receive 'proof' this happened due to the vaccine? Did you expect to hear news like this posted on whatever major news site you read? Think about it for God's sake....

The claim was that there have been life-threatening side-effects, that claim should be able to be backed up with evidence. Having some strongly worded post trying to discredit my character for asking for evidence does nothing more than giving a free pass for erroneous claims. I've shown multiple times that I am willing to change my opinion when given evidence. As for previous posts, most of the links provided were literally far-right conspiracies that credited either back to itself or to another conspiracy. The claims were not from any reliable sources and I will point that out when presented. It shouldn't be hard to provide sources. If there have been life-threatening side effects, then they should be documented and available.
Side effects and reactions to vaccines or even needles are a known complications and have yet to be shown to be permanent beyond a few rare cases of individuals already having preexisting conditions. These warning are given before the shot is administered. If it’s gone this long, I strongly doubt it was the vaccine is the issue and there’s most likely an unrecognized underlining medical condition. Vaccine side effects do not last more than a few hours to a few days at most