Covid-19 vaccine

[subcon959]

The 5 people will be fine since their own magic shoes will protect them... unless they're not wearing magic shoes either, in which case they have nobody to blame but themselves. I can make this assertion with a high degree of confidence thanks to hospital record - 99%+ of new ICU admissions are people not wearing magic sneakers. From that I extrapolate that people who do wear magic sneakers are, for the most part, protected - they might get a mild sun tan while watching their non-sneaker-wearing neighbours spontaneously combust, but I'm not going to treat mild sniffles as a life-threatening condition. This is basic personal responsibility, is that not a thing anymore?

It absolutely is, I'm just a bit concerned that the people without magic shoes will cause the lava to stick around long enough that it starts to break through the magic shoes of the smart people.

 

[Foxi4]

It absolutely is, I'm just a bit concerned that the people without magic shoes will cause the lava to stick around long enough that it starts to break through the magic shoes of the smart people.

I'm afraid that at this stage it is inevitable - the lava has spread too wide, it is no longer feasible to eradicate it. We've got lava covering every continent on the planet, you can't control that, you can only react. If anything, it is more likely that we'll see seasonal lava flows, which shouldn't be an issue - we've been dealing with the common flooding and the hurricanefluenza for centuries. On the bright side, as the issue mutates, it is likely to become less and less deadly, much like other similar kerfuffles.

 

[subcon959]

I'm afraid that at this stage it is inevitable - the lava has spread too wide, it is no longer feasible to eradicate it. We've got lava covering every continent on the planet, you can't control that, you can only react. If anything, it is more likely that we'll see seasonal lava flows, which shouldn't be an issue - we've been dealing with the common flooding and the hurricanefluenza for centuries. On the bright side, as the issue mutates, it is likely to become less and less deadly, much like other similar kerfuffles.

Well, I'm not fond of having to change shoes every year but it's better than nothing. I do hope that any mutation doesn't somehow mean the lava starts to affect the younger people who weren't offered magic shoes because they already had strong socks.

 

[NyaakoXD]

I'm afraid that at this stage it is inevitable - the lava has spread too wide, it is no longer feasible to eradicate it. We've got lava covering every continent on the planet, you can't control that, you can only react.

This is some next level "The Floor is Lava".

 

[Foxi4]

Well, I'm not fond of having to change shoes every year but it's better than nothing. I do hope that any mutation doesn't somehow mean the lava starts to affect the younger people who weren't offered magic shoes because they already had strong socks.

We'll just have to wait and see. I don't see an issue with including the fresh sneakers with other garments normally given to children going forward.

This is some next level "The Floor is Lava".

Just you wait until ceiling is lava!

 

[NyaakoXD]

Just you wait until ceiling is lava!

These buildings are something else for lava to be on the ceiling.

 

[Foxi4]

These buildings are something else for lava to be on the ceiling.

They're made in China.

 

[NyaakoXD]

They're made in China.

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[notimp]

 

[tabzer]

Just here to take a roll call. Who supports Israel giving out a fourth dose of the "vaccine"?

@Lacius
@Dakitten
@LinkmstrYT
@Foxi4
@Lilith Valentine
@Whoever I forgot.

If you want to borg yourself "for science", maybe you should go on over there and be apart of the progressive "not an experiment" experiment.

 

[Lacius]

Just here to take a roll call. Who supports Israel giving out a fourth dose of the "vaccine"?

@Lacius
@Dakitten
@LinkmstrYT
@Foxi4
@Lilith Valentine
@Whoever I forgot.

If you want to borg yourself "for science", maybe you should go on over there and be apart of the progressive "not an experiment" experiment.

Regarding the United States, the data is clear that protection starts to wane some time after the second dose (first/only dose with J&J), which is why those of us in the United States who haven't already done so will likely be getting third doses soon (second dose with J&J). The scientific data is clear that it's safe, effective, and useful.

I don't know anything about what Israel has or hasn't done, and I don't really care. They may or may not be inefficiently using vaccine doses.

Edit: Also, are you arguing that anyone getting third or fourth vaccine doses are "borging" themselves? You do know the vaccine does not contain microchips, right?

 

[The Catboy]

Just here to take a roll call. Who supports Israel giving out a fourth dose of the "vaccine"?

@Lacius
@Dakitten
@LinkmstrYT
@Foxi4
@Lilith Valentine
@Whoever I forgot.

If you want to borg yourself "for science", maybe you should go on over there and be apart of the progressive "not an experiment" experiment.

You realize additional doses aren't an uncommon practice and that the US is also giving additional doses, right? Like, your lack of understanding of science and distrust of vaccines isn't evidence for whatever point you are trying to make if you aren't willing or able to provide sources to back up that distrust.

 

[Foxi4]

Just here to take a roll call. Who supports Israel giving out a fourth dose of the "vaccine"?

@Lacius
@Dakitten
@LinkmstrYT
@Foxi4
@Lilith Valentine
@Whoever I forgot.

If you want to borg yourself "for science", maybe you should go on over there and be apart of the progressive "not an experiment" experiment.

Israel’s vaccine rollout was quick and effective, it lowered the number of daily cases from thousands to single digits. Sadly, its proximity to states that are not as diligent with their vaccination schemes makes it susceptible to any variant outbreaks. This is precisely what we’re seeing now - the vestiges of the unvaxxed population catching the much more transmissible variants - with restrictions lifted it’s an expected consequence.



The idea that it’s some kind of mind control experiment is stupid, and supported by nothing. If anything, you’re the one getting psyopped to make the right wing look stupid (and it’s working).

 

[tabzer]

Lol. I don't care how you think I look. You are rationalizing a fourth dose. I'm sure it makes people who haven't opted into covid-life feel a little more relieved about not getting roped into a lifetime subscription of medical treatment.

I just wanted you to put yourself on record, for supporting this. So thank you.

 

[The Catboy]

Lol. I don't care how you think I look. You are rationalizing a fourth dose. I'm sure it makes people who haven't opted into covid-life feel a little more relieved about not getting roped into a lifetime subscription of medical treatment.

I just wanted you to put yourself on record, for supporting this. So thank you.

This isn’t a gotcha moment, why would supporting additional doses be a problem? It’s not an uncommon practice and is found to increase the effectiveness the vaccine, especially when dealing with newer strains of the virus. Do you have any reason to consider this a gotcha moment? Any sources that says additional doses is problematic? What’s the point of your post?

 

[Foxi4]

Lol. I don't care how you think I look. You are rationalizing a fourth dose. I'm sure it makes people who haven't opted into covid-life feel a little more relieved about not getting roped into a lifetime subscription of medical treatment.

I just wanted you to put yourself on record, for supporting this. So thank you.

There’s nothing to rationalise, the virus is changing rapidly and the efficacy of the vaccine is waning. I don’t understand what the issue here is. The COVID-19 we were dealing with in 2019 is not the same as the virus we’re dealing with right now. For all intents and purposes, people who already had their vaccine and booster don’t have a whole lot to worry about. Having a quick look at the data from Israel it’s clear that while 60% of current hospitalisations are vaccinated patients, one has to consider that *80% of all Israelis above 12 are vaccinated*, so you’re dealing with a larger cohort. Moreover, the hospitalisations that are listed as severe primarily affect the elderly who are already especially vulnerable. Once you stratify by age you can easily calculate the effectiveness against serious disease - 67.5%. The unvaccinated cohort is 3.1x more likely to end up in the ICU, there’s just five times less of them compared to the vaccinated, hence the disparity. To translate from math to English, if there are 5 houses on a given street, 1 shack and 4 new builds, and an earthquake destroys 2 houses, the shack and 1 new build, that doesn’t mean that new builds are just as good as the shack - the shack was more likely to collapse from the start. Mid-January the 7-day rolling average of deaths was 62, now it’s at 31, and the people *dying* from Delta are not vaccinated. I know that math and data are hard, but that’s precisely what’s happening.

Edit: While we’re getting things on record, if you are susceptible to the seasonal flu, I strongly suggest a seasonal jab, every single year, from now until the end of your life. It won’t make you glow, but it will help you avoid laying in bed with a temperature for two weeks while shaking your fist in the air and cursing past you for forgetting your vaccination yet again. This might come as a shock, but seasonal flu? It’s seasonal because it’s not the same every single year - if it was, you wouldn’t be catching it, silly. You can get one every single year, for good measure - there’s no reason not to.

 

[subcon959]

I found this to be an interesting read.. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4#ref-CR4 (reference the actual studies at the end if you're sceptical about the article itself)

I believe it ties in with the herd immunity idea that seemed to shock everyone at the beginning of the pandemic, but if most people are exposed to (and survive) the virus and then get a single dose of vaccine the resulting protection is much higher than from multiple doses alone. Of course, I wouldn't recommend anyone knowingly take that gamble, but it does seem like a one size fits all approach may not be the best.

 

[linuxares]

I found this to be an interesting read.. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4#ref-CR4 (reference the actual studies at the end if you're sceptical about the article itself)

I believe it ties in with the herd immunity idea that seemed to shock everyone at the beginning of the pandemic, but if most people are exposed to (and survive) the virus and then get a single dose of vaccine the resulting protection is much higher than from multiple doses alone. Of course, I wouldn't recommend anyone knowingly take that gamble, but it does seem like a one size fits all approach may not be the best.

Yeah read about it as well. Some doctors also recommend 1 mRNA and 1 Classic vaccine. It seem to give some greater protections as well. But it's to early to tell really. Hopefully the virus will get less hosts so it won't mutate as much so it can either die down to a common cold virus or just phase out.

 

[Dakitten]

Lol. I don't care how you think I look. You are rationalizing a fourth dose. I'm sure it makes people who haven't opted into covid-life feel a little more relieved about not getting roped into a lifetime subscription of medical treatment.

I just wanted you to put yourself on record, for supporting this. So thank you.

My name is Dakitten, I am da kitten, and I support jab 1, 2, 10, and 20 if that's what it takes to eliminate a budding family of virus strains. This could have been just an outbreak, but now it's possibly the annual superflu. Thanks, antivaxxers, for your part in that.

On a side note, I've been murdered by work and no days off due to the recall election in California, but I actually had somebody point out a 5g transmitter one morning before ranting about how "when that thing turns on, all you stupid vaccinated sheep are gonna have a real bad time!"

I think nobody told these people they're already on...

 

[D34DL1N3R]

On a side note, I've been murdered by work and no days off due to the recall election in California, but I actually had somebody point out a 5g transmitter one morning before ranting about how "when that thing turns on, all you stupid vaccinated sheep are gonna have a real bad time!"

I think nobody told these people they're already on...

There's a couple of guys that live in the same apartment complex that I do, and they go around telling people that all of the vaccinated are going to be zombies once 5g is turned on. They tried telling me that bullshit and I'm like, ummmmm... you guys DO know that there are already active 5g towers in places with a large population of vaccinated people... right? Then it always changes to something stupid like "Wait until people have been exposed to it for a year! Then you'll see!!!" or "They're active but they haven't pushed the zombie switch yet until more people are vaccinated that they can control!!!"