"You have to take that to Fox News" You are the one making the accussation not Fox News mate. Im not defending any news outlet but just attacking one news because " It doesnt fit your narrative" isnt something that is fact.
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"You have to take that to Fox News" You are the one making the accussation not Fox News mate. Im not defending any news outlet but just attacking one news because " It doesnt fit your narrative" isnt something that is fact.
Yes, if you look at the up top most of the page you can see : World News, Current events & politics"
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Wrong, sorry.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/9177...s-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
Carlson isn't the first or only host they've had to make this argument for. Chris Wallace is the one Fox News anchor that sticks to real news, though obviously even his biases show through occasionally.
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Well it does say at the top "Current Events & Politics"
Also I love how this fox vs cnn debate is being reframed from the original statement (Fox is miles less corrupt/biased than CNN). If you cant back up the original statement then stop spreading bullshit.
My apologies, you are right. Its pointless to debate on that since it doesnt add nothing to what is going on at the moment.
I could and I should, but I'm tired of debating viciously ignorant people online as I said before and it's more fun to watch people spurge out on others opinions and sometimes plain facts.
Probably shouldnt make statements like that then if you refuse to back them up when asked. The requirement here is showing that CNN is worse than Fox, not simply that they are bad.
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That would mean actually sourcing your claims with something other than tweets and Youtube videos from alt-right trolls. In other words, it'd be a massive improvement for you.
Trump was a rotten president who demonstrably engaged in criminal acts. It isn't bias or propaganda to acknowledge the deplorable things Trump said or did during his tenure, as long as the criticisms are fair.
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I have things to say about the elections (2016 in particular) that are critical of CNN. Again though, they pale in comparison to the propaganda of Fox News.
I said it was bullshit specifically because when asked multiple times to elaborate he refused.
Moving the goalpost hard. The argument he started was NOT that CNN is biased or does bad things (I never would have argued with that statement). It was that CNN is 'miles worse' than Fox.
Just because you agree with something doesn't mean it isn't bullshit.
The Biden administration is a disgrace. They were warned about it and he's lying through his teeth about it. He said no one knew and it was unlikely. Bit by bit more information is coming up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9910153/Blinken-warned-month-Kabul-fall-report-claims.html
So shameful. Whole Pentagon needs to be cleansed and put new intelligence who take things seriously. Now we are in a world where the USA has to ask the extremist to "Please" let people through to leave the country. So sad for the poor people there.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9910153/Blinken-warned-month-Kabul-fall-report-claims.html
So shameful. Whole Pentagon needs to be cleansed and put new intelligence who take things seriously. Now we are in a world where the USA has to ask the extremist to "Please" let people through to leave the country. So sad for the poor people there.
To get back to the original topic and a bit away from "my news source is better than your news source"...
Regardless of when an agreement was made on moving troops out of Afghanistan, it still doesn't change the fact that Biden fucked things up epically and needs to be held accountable for it.
If there was a pre-existing agreement about pulling troops out of Afghanistan, that should have been something brought up to Biden when he first became President and moved into the White House. I'm certain that one of the first things that they do when a new President is sworn in is get him up to speed with at the very least major events and political issues that the President needs to deal with, and since the President is specifically "Commander in Chief", that would obviously include military actions and pull-backs.
So, he's had months to coordinate withdrawing our troops. How hard would it have been to immediately pull back 10% of our troops back in February or March, as well as approach any Afghan citizens who directly aided our military (translators, etc.) as well as the families of any Afghan soldiers, with the offer of citizenship in the United States. (It's common knowledge that the Taliban were known for killing/torturing the families of people who opposed them, this would give as many vulnerable people an out as possible) This offer of citizenship would also include a return trip to Afghanistan if they wished to return when they felt it was fully safe. Beginning this process back at the beginning of the year would have allowed us to get as many vulnerable people out of there in a more comfortable time-frame as possible in a worst-case scenario.
After a month or so of doing this, we pull out about 30% of the remaining troops. The Afghan soldiers would be more confident in their roles without as much US assistance since a majority of them have their families in safe locations and don't have as much to worry about regarding possible Taliban reprisals. (Yes, I'm aware of the purported bribes taking place, but you have to admit that the fear of your families being tortured/killed if you continue to fight back is a damned good deterrent to get you to put your guns down and surrender. A fear that the US soldiers didn't have to carry, as their families were all safe back in the United States.)
Finally, with the deadline for full withdrawal approaching, we finally call back the remnants of our troops. As many vulnerable people as possible are able to escape to safety, allowing the Afghan military and government an easier time keeping things under control without our continued presence. A gradual withdrawal like that also would minimize political blowback if something were to go wrong, given that it's being shown that we're following an actual plan.
You're telling me that Biden, his advisors, and all of the best-and-brightest our government has to offer couldn't even come up with a basic plan like that when a nobody like me can think of something simple like that? Even taking pre-existing agreements into account, there had to be something more they could have done than what they did. So yeah, I still consider fully responsible for the shit-show and deaths/panic going on and he needs to be held accountable. You don't just wait until the literal last minute and tell everybody to pack up and go home in less than a week, against the advise of just about every advisor he has, who SPOILER ALERT!!! are specifically hired to advise the President in that they know what they're doing and if they all scream at you that something is a terrible idea, you probably ought to listen.
Regardless of when an agreement was made on moving troops out of Afghanistan, it still doesn't change the fact that Biden fucked things up epically and needs to be held accountable for it.
If there was a pre-existing agreement about pulling troops out of Afghanistan, that should have been something brought up to Biden when he first became President and moved into the White House. I'm certain that one of the first things that they do when a new President is sworn in is get him up to speed with at the very least major events and political issues that the President needs to deal with, and since the President is specifically "Commander in Chief", that would obviously include military actions and pull-backs.
So, he's had months to coordinate withdrawing our troops. How hard would it have been to immediately pull back 10% of our troops back in February or March, as well as approach any Afghan citizens who directly aided our military (translators, etc.) as well as the families of any Afghan soldiers, with the offer of citizenship in the United States. (It's common knowledge that the Taliban were known for killing/torturing the families of people who opposed them, this would give as many vulnerable people an out as possible) This offer of citizenship would also include a return trip to Afghanistan if they wished to return when they felt it was fully safe. Beginning this process back at the beginning of the year would have allowed us to get as many vulnerable people out of there in a more comfortable time-frame as possible in a worst-case scenario.
After a month or so of doing this, we pull out about 30% of the remaining troops. The Afghan soldiers would be more confident in their roles without as much US assistance since a majority of them have their families in safe locations and don't have as much to worry about regarding possible Taliban reprisals. (Yes, I'm aware of the purported bribes taking place, but you have to admit that the fear of your families being tortured/killed if you continue to fight back is a damned good deterrent to get you to put your guns down and surrender. A fear that the US soldiers didn't have to carry, as their families were all safe back in the United States.)
Finally, with the deadline for full withdrawal approaching, we finally call back the remnants of our troops. As many vulnerable people as possible are able to escape to safety, allowing the Afghan military and government an easier time keeping things under control without our continued presence. A gradual withdrawal like that also would minimize political blowback if something were to go wrong, given that it's being shown that we're following an actual plan.
You're telling me that Biden, his advisors, and all of the best-and-brightest our government has to offer couldn't even come up with a basic plan like that when a nobody like me can think of something simple like that? Even taking pre-existing agreements into account, there had to be something more they could have done than what they did. So yeah, I still consider fully responsible for the shit-show and deaths/panic going on and he needs to be held accountable. You don't just wait until the literal last minute and tell everybody to pack up and go home in less than a week, against the advise of just about every advisor he has, who SPOILER ALERT!!! are specifically hired to advise the President in that they know what they're doing and if they all scream at you that something is a terrible idea, you probably ought to listen.
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The plan was to have the Afghan military, which was built up and trained by US forces over the span of twenty years, cover our withdrawal and presumably hold all of the population centers for years after we got out. Instead they folded faster than a deck of cards, which no president or administration could have possibly predicted, because the Pentagon was blowing smoke up everybody's asses.
Additionally, Biden had already pushed back Trump's agreed upon withdrawal date by several months. If he had stuck to it, we would've left May 1st. What this tells us is that the results would've been the exact same whether we had left ten years later or ten years earlier. If you're really so desperate to find a single presidential figure to pin the blame on, might I suggest the one who thought it was a good idea to start two wars with no clear objective and no clear timetable. That same administration declared "mission accomplished" over a decade before we finally got out, too.
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Except getting out was not a mistake. Going in was. I'm not going to lambaste Biden for being the one who finally ripped off the band-aid, given that the alternative was sticking around Vietnam v2 indefinitely.
Refreshing to have a president who takes responsibility for his actions even when the media is working overtime to spin those actions negatively, isn't it? That's probably why Biden's worst approval numbers are still better than Trump's best ones.
I've never cared much for Kamala Harris, and she sure as hell hasn't done anything to endear herself to me after being selected as VP. She won't even own up to her own draconian record as California's DA.
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