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Alrighty, I'm down with this challenge. So, 5,310 folks killed by vaccination? The number I got was 4,903 with the same tool but that falls fairly close, and it really doesn't cover the aftermath in finding out what caused those deaths/how many of those individuals had covid as they got the vaccine. The reporting number doesn't really apply in this situation, because death reporting is pretty reliable, unlike injuries. Current death toll from Covid complications is 626,172 (reported, which if you think the death numbers from vaccinations might not be solid, oh boy is this one likely lowballed...), with an infection rate hitting about 10% of the population at large. Not even considering how many people failed to get covid due to being vaccinated by this point and the benefits of having the illness lessened by the vaccine even in the case of a breakthrough, the vaccine kills 0.008% less than the disease, and has the side benefit of helping to stop it from spreading and further mutating. Should that number be lower? That'd be lovely! Does that mean it shouldn't get used? No.
Fun fact, some people survived the black plague once, too! But if there was a vaccine that only knocked out 0.001% of the population and had an 80% success rate back then, its creator would have been hailed as the saint above all other saints. Nobody thinks Covid will end civilization, but the more we do to mitigate harm to the populous, the sooner we can discard our "face diapers" and get back to normal. You don't want the vaccination? Feel free to stay at home like Jimbo. Don't have the wealth to make that viable? Consider a better form of government that would make that choice more feasible, maybe?
As for the comment on economics, I'll yield I'm a bit curious what you're getting at. Apologies, but my antisemitism alarm is ringing and I would love to hear some elaboration to set it at ease. All the same, no, things are not fishy, feel free to continue on though! You're a million times more interesting and welcome than the kovid komedy klub we've been getting thus far!
Also, there is actually somebody you can go after that will make the manufacturer liable. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program acts as something of a middle man, since vaccines aren't actually very profitable and this keeps them circulating even if, say, a quack doctor drums up a bogus autism claim and rallies thousands to sue the manufacturers all at once.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
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Alrighty, I'm down with this challenge. So, 5,310 folks killed by vaccination? The number I got was 4,903 with the same tool but that falls fairly close. Current death toll from Covid complications is 626,172 (reported, which if you think the death numbers from vaccinations might not be solid, oh boy is this one likely lowballed...), with an infection rate hitting about 10% of the population at large. Not even considering how many people failed to get covid due to being vaccinated by this point and the benefits of having the illness lessened by the vaccine even in the case of a breakthrough, the vaccine kills 0.008% less than the disease, and has the side benefit of helping to stop it from spreading and further mutating. Should that number be lower? That'd be lovely! Does that mean it shouldn't get used? No.
Fun fact, some people survived the black plague once, too! Nobody thinks Covid will end civilization, but the more we do to mitigate harm to the populous, the sooner we can discard our "face diapers" and get back to normal. You don't want the vaccination? Feel free to stay at home like Jimbo. Don't have the wealth to make that viable? Consider a better form of government that would make that choice more feasible, maybe?
As for the comment on economics, I'll yield I'm a bit curious what you're getting at. Apologies, but my antisemitism alarm is ringing and I would love to hear some elaboration to set it at ease. All the same, no, things are not fishy, feel free to continue on though! You're a million times more interesting and welcome than the kovid komedy klub we've been getting thus far!
Also, there is actually somebody you can go after that will make the manufacturer liable. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program acts as something of a middle man, since vaccines aren't actually very profitable and this keeps them circulating even if, say, a quack doctor drums up a bogus autism claim and rallies thousands to sue the manufacturers all at once.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
I'm just gonna go ahead and dismantle all of this.
1)"Current death toll from Covid complications is 626,172"
- https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
This shows 94.9% of Covid hospitalizations had at least 1 pre-existing condition and 99.1% of the patients who died had at least one pre-existing condition. In more detail on the deaths-- 2.6% had one pre-existing condition, 32.3% had two to five preexisting conditions, 39.1% who had six to ten, and 25.1% who have more than ten preexisting conditions. Straight from the CDC.
- Your pre-emptive argument appears to be:
"-- 626,172 (reported, which if you think the death numbers from vaccinations might not be solid, oh boy is this one likely lowballed..."
I disagree. I believe these numbers are grossly inflated not just because of the CDC's own statistics above, but also because of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test false positive rate being extremely high (and indeed its extremely questionable use for Covid and lack of transparency on cycles used when used). We can get into that in further detail; however, I would suggest you look into the creator of the PCR test Mr. Kary Mullis and his perspective on it (it's quite shocking).
"the vaccine kills 0.008% less than the disease"
You completely ignored the fact that only 0.3-1% of incidents get reported to VAERS. Take out a calculator and do the math using your own findings on VAERS. Data extrapolation holds weight even if it cannot be exact. Also, see above. That claim is highly debatable considering the amount of pre-existing conditions in Covid deaths & hospitalizations. Furthermore, of less importance, my country's Public Health team has admitted to counting any death as a Covid death if that individual had Covid at any point and recovered-- let's not get into how governments can't be trusted though, too much to say on that.
2)" --and has the side benefit of helping to stop it from spreading and further mutating"
- There is literally ZERO proof of this claim. If you could enlighten me with documentation on how this vaccine will prevent spread and mutation, please. Not a mouthpiece saying it, some empirical data or scientific documentation, because the empirical data is showing that Covid is still spreading and mutating (which I question, but that's the official data).
3)" Apologies, but my antisemitism alarm is ringing and I would love to hear some elaboration to set it at ease."
- Where in my post did I make any antisemetic remarks? I would rather not go down to your level on this but you are pathetic for raising such accusation for literally no reason? Wow.
4)"--since vaccines aren't actually very profitable"
- Bill Gates is quoted on CNBC as saying "over a 20:1 return" on a $10 billion investment. $200 billion+ is unprofitable?
- Pfizer is reported to have generated $3.5 billion in the first 3 months of 2021.
- Moderna is reported to have generated $1.7 billion in the first 3 months of 2021 (best quarter on record).
I could get into the nitty gritty on some of these companies, including the fact that Pfizer paid the largest criminal fine ever given in the U.S. for health care fraud settlement over one of their drugs. But let's not bother with that.
In summary, things are extremely fishy and people SHOULD question this vaccine. Cheers.
Hey look, another one is changing their story
REPUBLICAN Alabama Governor Kay Ivey: "It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down”
Lol I gues unvaccinated folks are not normal
REPUBLICAN Alabama Governor Kay Ivey: "It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down”
Lol I gues unvaccinated folks are not normal
This logical fallacy is called an appeal to nature. Just because something is natural does not mean it's good or better, and just because something is human-made does not mean it's bad or worse. For example, the vaccine is safe and effective, and it's generally much better for you than contracting COVID-19.
I'm an advocate for working with the Earth. My family owns a lot of farms in the rural part of my state, and I personally do a lot of gardening. That being said, I highly recommend the tetanus vaccine for anybody who regularly works with dirt.
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I don't know if I've heard anyone argue that the decision to get vaccinated shouldn't be up to the individual. That doesn't mean, however, that it isn't in a person's best interest to get vaccinated, and it doesn't mean there isn't a moral imperative to get vaccinated.
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The vaccine offers protection to the individual as well as to society broadly. It's a win-win.
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- If I take it can I still get Covid? Yes, but the odds of contracting COVID-19 are a lot less if you're fully vaccinated, you're a lot less likely to spread the disease even if you do catch it, and you are a lot less likely to suffer serious symptoms, hospitalization, or death if you catch it.
- If I take it can I still spread Covid? Yes, but the odds of contracting COVID-19 (and then spreading it) are a lot less if you're fully vaccinated, and you're a lot less likely to spread the disease even if you do catch it.
- If I take it do I still have to wear a face diaper? In the United States, with very few exceptions, you don't have to wear masks anymore if you're fully vaccinated.
Oh, you can be forced if that's what they wanted to do. And, your sob story about your rights & freedoms being restricted or taken away.
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Apply your idiocy to every other major vaccine in history and your "common sense basic risk/reward" is nothing but a COMPLETE load of bullshit. Do you even THINK before posting this crap? Common sense my ass.
No one can force me to do shit, not unless they don't want to get hurt. And on the flip side, don't YOU cry and sob when YOUR rights get violated you arrogant prick.
The vaccine Is for decrese mortality and get less infections. God i dont know why people are so upset with It. I met doctors that didnt want to get vaccine now they are dead, AND their family, just need a little common sence. As a doctor i am very sad with society because i have to care peoplo who dint give a shit for thwir healty
Nobody is forcing you to get vaccinated. We're just acknowledging, rightfully so, that your stance is anti-scientific and immoral.
You say that people don't have to get vaccinated, but also have a passive-aggressive attitude when they don't and have think you're "morally better" or some shit. Let it go and get over it, or don't and be bitter. Don't know what to tell you other than that.
You don't have to, but more likely you going to catch the delta variant of covid19 if you are unvaccinated, either get vaccinated or possibly land in a hospital bed and struggle to breath.
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In the same way people driving over the speed limit or drink driving are hurting people.
You can drive at 100mph and not kill someone.
You can drive after drinking a bottle of rum and not kill someone.
Do you actually believe that everyone who died who had previously been vaccinated was because they were vaccinated?
All those people also ate food and took a dump. So you should stop eating and taking a dump just to be sure, right?
Exactly right. You don't get to be inconsiderate and have a free pass.
If you pass covid on to people then you are violating their rights. I wear a mask and got a vaccine mostly because of other people.
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Yes, if they wanted to force you, they would. I'd love to see your one man army take on something like a SWAT team crashing through your doors and windows. Best of luck to ya, tough guy. I hope they decide to force you.
And no, I don't cry about such things because I don't feel any of my rights are being violated now or that they have been any time in my past. Keep that box of tissues handy for yourself though, you poor, entitled, spoiled, rotten, little self centered brat.
As my GREAT REPUBLICAN ALABAMA Governor Kay Lvey stated you "choosing a horrible lifestyle of self-inflicted pain." "I want folks to get vaccinated" and "why would we want mess around with just temporary stuff?"
YUP.
i find it somewhat off-put when people are actively pressuring others to get vaccinated
however if there was a virus going around killing people and the cure makers made a new serum to prevent the virus then id sort of want my loved ones to get it
though its a personal choice and a very debatable one at that, I got the vaccine and was fine, some people i know got the vaccine and it made them sick or they still got covid
either way its crazy that we are dealing with so much uncertainty
however if there was a virus going around killing people and the cure makers made a new serum to prevent the virus then id sort of want my loved ones to get it
though its a personal choice and a very debatable one at that, I got the vaccine and was fine, some people i know got the vaccine and it made them sick or they still got covid
either way its crazy that we are dealing with so much uncertainty
It isn't "passive aggressive" to acknowledge an action isn't mandatory while simultaneously acknowledging it's in your best interest and in the best interest of the people around you. Those are facts.
I'm not worried. I won't catch it. And if I do, I'll get over it and build immunity.
Actually, according to free speech, you do, otherwise you and a bunch of others don't get free passes either. And "passing on covid" or other diseases isn't violating anyone's rights unless you knowingly have the disease and knowingly infect people with malicious intent, then that's a different story, but unknowingly passing it if you didn't know you had it isn't.
Bitch I can take an army of 1,000,000 if I wanted to. But seriously, we haven't gotten to that point yet over a dumb virus. This ain't China, and if the gov were to do that here, it'd be a civil war first.
And from what I've seen of your posts, you'd be the first bitch to cry because of how much of a punk you were, that I know, you "poor, entitled, spoiled, rotten, little self centered brat" asshole.
Your governor doesn't speak for everyone. My lifestyle, my choice. Don't like it? Tough shit.
Yes it is actually. Am I saying people ho take the vaccine are stupid and orally wrong? No, because I don't care, it's a choice either way. You and others have a bug up their asses for when people don't take the vaccine. You say you don't mind, but on the inside you hate that you can't make people do it because it's "morally imperative" to do so when it's not. Bottom line, you can't control people, either stop being bitter or continue to be a toxic and unreasonable person.
The longer that this virus is a threat, the longer you are going have to wear "face diapers". It is like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
what an incredibly stupid thing to even assume that you wont or cant get covid...
When people don't get vaccinated, the infection spreads, people die, and more infectious variants that affect all of us pop up. I mind very much when people choose to not be vaccinated. That is not the same as saying people can or should be forced to get vaccinated. It shouldn't have to be forced. It's the twenty-first century, but some people appear to want to take us back to the seventeenth century.
It is not toxic to acknowledge the vaccines are safe, effective, and recommended. It is not toxic to acknowledge that there actually is a moral imperative to get vaccinated. The only thing that's toxic is spewing anti-vax nonsense.
By choosing to not get vaccinated, you are accepting greater health risks for yourself, and you are accepting greater health risks for those around you. From a moral perspective, one has the right to the former, but not a right to the latter.
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