Boris cancels Christmas..

[subcon959]

It seems most of London is no longer allowed to visit family on Christmas day now :-(

Was this a necessary evil or should Boris stick Tier 4 up his arse?

 

[Sneethan]

Wow.. Thats a big rip for them.

 

[Alexander1970]

Oh dear,now we can really happy in Austria we have one.....
We are only "locked up" from December 26th until 18th January 2021...

 

[Sneethan]

Oh dear,now we can really happy in Austria we have one.....
We are only "locked up" from December 26th until 18th January 2021...

Wow, thats a weird strategy. In australia we have open borders pretty much everywhere and we only have to wear a mask on a bus or in shopping centres. We can also have 50 people inside iirc.

well anyway. I hope everyone still finds a way to celebrate the holidays together.

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Wait, you get dates? lucky, we would just hope for an announcement every two weeks.

 

[Xzi]

The fact that there's now a faster-spreading mutation of the virus in the UK is definitely worrisome. Let's hope the vaccine is still effective against it and stays effective against COVID-19 for years to come.

 

[The Catboy]

As much as this sucks, it is the right call. A family gathering has been found to be one of the worst places to be during this pandemic and Christmas is literally one event when people are most likely handling multiple packages and giving them to each other. Simply put, it's safer to stay home and do a Discord/Zoom/Facetime event than an actual IRL gathering.

 

[Seliph]

I don't know everything about it, but given the situation, I'd say it's likely the best option. That being said it should have never come to this point but Boris is a bastard and the Tories are hacks so it was inevitable.

 

[Taleweaver]

Necessary evil. I won't deny that a faster spreading mutation (though not more deadly) is a large worry, but the numbers are rising all over the place. Netherlands? Locked up. Germany? Lockdown. France? Ditto. Belgium? Sort of (we don't have further restrictions now, but it was already strict... And I'm fairly sure it'll be more restricted soon).

... And the same is happening in the UK. Sucks, but it's necessary. I've just seen news images of Oxford Street yesterday. Sorry to inform you, but facial marks don't mean you're invincible, especially not in indoor environments where thousands of people pass through...

 

[Zede]

As a Londoner, I'd say necessary evil but too little too late.

Our fault in a way too - we were never great at following those rules even back when it was Tier 3. I live in Stratford and each weekend I go out, it's hordes of people without masks. Not sure if Tier 4 makes any difference to those selfish people.

 

[subcon959]

I think it's pretty slimey the way they went about it. Should've been straight with everyone from the start instead of letting everyone think it was going to be normal so they kept shopping as.. Ah.. Right.

 

[FAST6191]

I might question this "necessary evil" narrative, or at least nobody has tried to balance likely effects of this in terms of transmission rate reduction (never mind likely deaths and serious outcomes) vs economic damage (which is hardly great for human health) vs general affront to personal liberties. Hard numbers, risk factors, experiments conducted on rates according to restrictions... I want that and a run through of the logic involved.
Normally just get "it's good for you, shut up and take your medicine" with the odd sound byte and that rankles -- the governments of the world have proven to be a bunch of clueless cunts* that pay no attention to anybody (sometimes even those padding their pockets) at every available opportunity for decades now. No inclination they are acting in either my** or the collective best interest. Equally if they truly cared about life, health and happiness they would have banned, mandated and otherwise cajoled so many more outcomes and would have done it decades ago. The means by which they would have done them would be subject to debate and run up against various political philosophies but still could have been achieved.

*and having met various ones from lowly MEPs to local councillors to regional MPs to named positions to lords of the realm they might occasionally (and only very occasionally) have some measure of domain expertise but general common sense seems to be ritually removed if it existed at all.

**none of this really bothers me. Most of my family are nice people that I would go help if they called, and I have no "family comes first" mindset whatsoever, but I don't care about visiting them. My economics are as poor as they ever were, but ultimately no worse (retirement and home ownership was never an option anyway), and most I know are not really suffering in any great capacity either.

 

[Doran754]

I'm glad i don't live in London, just in general to be honest because it's a shithole but I digress. If I did though, I'd still be visiting my family on Christmas. The worlds gone mad. How is it Wuhan is hosting parties but the UK nearly a year later is still facing lockdowns. Something doesn't add up.

 

[nani17]

Wow that's insane

 

[notimp]

It seems most of London is no longer allowed to visit family on Christmas day now :-(

Was this a necessary evil or should Boris stick Tier 4 up his arse?

You are burying the lead.

Looking at infection rate in the UK, and death rate ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk ) - actually, probably not necessary. But the UK has a brand new mutation, that you might want to keep at low spread until vaccination (which might help against that one as well) can ramp up:

https://time.com/5923758/new-covid-strain-uk/

 

[Alexander1970]

(which might help against that one as well) can ramp up:

Not might......for sure....like all Experts and Medics around the World actual say.
So,Mankind,have no Fear,the Mutation can not affect you after the upcoming Vaccination.

 

[smf]

Boris has handled this badly since march, I don't know why anyone expects the clown to get any better.

Populist governments always run into these problems because as soon as you do what the people want, you are very soon going to be doing the wrong thing for everyone.

It serves 52% of the people right. Unfortunately now we have to listen to the idiots complaining that we fought two world wars to bail out europe and now they are closing their borders to us now we have this new strain.

The vaccine is going to take a very long time to roll out, nothing will change until at least 50% of the people have been vaccinated (and maybe more). Which could be a year away. They aren't making a big thing of it yet, because then they'd have to disappoint people and Boris is trying hard not to do that.

Which is a pretty dumb move.

 

[TimPV3]

I'm glad i don't live in London, just in general to be honest because it's a shithole but I digress. If I did though, I'd still be visiting my family on Christmas. The worlds gone mad. How is it Wuhan is hosting parties but the UK nearly a year later is still facing lockdowns. Something doesn't add up.

Chinese government does whatever it wants whether their people like it or not, but to summarize:

- Wuhan was under a STRICT lockdown for 76 days
- 14,000 health checkpoints were established at public transport hubs
- only one member of each household was permitted to leave the home every couple of days to collect necessary supplies
- 9 million tests in Wuhan within weeks, and a national system of contact tracing
- PPE is manufactured in China, and people actually wear masks

If these things happened anywhere else, people would be LIVID

 

[smf]

If these things happened anywhere else, people would be LIVID

For 76 days. We're going to be livid for longer, because the uk government refused to make tough choices in February and March.

 

[p1ngpong]

When Churchill invaded the beaches of Germany and freed France they said he was a dick too. Boris is the leader Britain needs during these hard times to save the planet.

 

[Alexander1970]

When Churchill invaded the beaches of Germany and freed France they said he was a dick too. Boris is the leader Britain needs during these hard times to save the planet.

Not for today's wimp society....