Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[Xzi]

This is %100 the point. The argument is that State's legislation was bypassed to enforce more lenient voting methods.

It's on a case-by-case basis, but in at least one state I recall the court choosing electors because the deadline had passed for the legislature to select them. You cannot very well enter election day without any electors chosen, unless we were to abolish the electoral college, that is.

As far as more lenient deadlines for mail-in ballots are concerned, the Supreme Court had the opportunity to rule on that and only did so for Wisconsin, which means they deliberately let the other state courts' rulings stand. This lawsuit would have had to have been filed BEFORE the election to possibly make any difference.

 

[omgcat]

yup, definitely fishing for pardons.

"The investigation started after top Paxton aides alleged to the FBI in early October they believe Paxton may be committing crimes that include abuse of office and bribery in his dealings with Austin investor Nate Paul.


The group claimed Paxton took a number of steps to benefit Paul, whose offices were raided by the FBI last year. Those steps included hiring an outside investigator to investigate Paul's assertion that the FBI violated his constitutional rights during the raid."

 

[tabzer]

the Supreme Court had the opportunity to rule on that and only did so for Wisconsin, which means they deliberately let the other state courts' rulings stand.

I don't think so. The case brought before SCOTUS was about Wisconsin, not other states. Sure, they could have taken the additional step to say that the constitution applies to all states, but lol.

why is this suddenly a problem now 4+ weeks after the election, and 6+ weeks after early voting?

Yes, the response from the defendant states state this as a reason why the case should be discarded.

 

[tabzer]

But if you ask why, maybe because they were waiting for the states to resolve the issue, and when that didn't happen, they wanted to submit a formal suit before the deadline of Dec 8.

The best example I can think of is the one user that isn't even from the US that is taking this so damn personally too, and keeps thinking that no one likes his sources because "they're not from CNN", when in reality it's actually from a far-right propaganda site that has been known to create hoaxes and spread misinformation in the past.

Sounds like you are crying. Is this about me?

 

[Xzi]

I don't think so. The case brought before SCOTUS was about Wisconsin, not other states. Sure, they could have taken the additional step to say that the constitution applies to all states, but lol.

The constitution says nothing about mail-in ballot deadlines. So yes, just like the Wisconsin case, any challenges to the legality of individual states' deadlines would've had to come BEFORE the election. Asking SCOTUS to change the result afterward is pretty much akin to asking each of the justices to eat a Tide Pod. It's not gonna happen, and you're living in a fantasy if you still believe it will. A dangerous fantasy which is likely to encourage violence and terrorism, at that.

 

[tabzer]

The constitution says nothing about mail-in ballot deadlines. So yes, just like the Wisconsin case, any challenges to the legality of individual states' deadlines would've had to come BEFORE the election.

The constitution specifies state's legislation as the authority. If methods of voting fall outside of a state's legislation, it is contentious with the constitution. Methods, deadlines, and auditing procedures are all being addressed by the suit. This has been a mounting/escalating situation. Where is it said that "any challenges to the legality of individual states (election procedures) need to come before an election"? Just because that was that an excuse made by a lower court in order to dismiss the obligation of observing evidence does not mean SCOTUS will see it the same way.

 

[Xzi]

Where is it said that "any challenges to the legality of individual states (election procedures) need to come before an election"?

It's just common fucking sense. The people decide the outcome of elections, so you can't give them the all clear to go vote and then later suggest their votes should be invalidated due to some technicality. That's not how democracy works. There is no precedent for any US court overturning the results of an election, because the moment that happens is the moment this country ceases to be a democratic republic.

You don't like the results for whatever reason, I get that. That doesn't mean the losing side gets to determine the rules for everybody retroactively. The lawsuit is frivolous at best, seditious and treasonous at worst.

 

[tabzer]

It's just common fucking sense.

Plaintiff: They cheated
Defendent: They have to make the claim before we cheat.

The people decide the outcome of elections, so you can't give them the all clear to go vote and then later suggest their votes should be invalidated due to some technicality.

Yes, via legislation. If a governor or court supersedes the legislation, then that is on those parties for making it a mess and misguiding the public; even if some people won't see it that way. It wasn't SCOTUS who said, "go ahead and vote, haha just kidding". The US is a constitutional federal republic, and the wording of the constitution is probably not a going to be brushed off as a technicality by the current SCOTUS.

That's not how democracy works. There is no precedent for any US court overturning the results of an election, because the moment that happens is the moment this country ceases to be a democratic republic.

We live in unprecedented times. There is nothing colloquial about what's going on, and I don't think any citizen can honestly verify that US has been or is a Democracy. If SCOTUS does establish a new precedent, it's going to shatter a lot of people's current view. It's also going to affirm a lot of others'. No matter which way this goes, a lot of people are going to be dissatisfied. Based on what I surmise of Trump, I don't think this is even his last card. He will probably keep fighting Joe if he makes it to the inauguration.

 

[Xzi]

Plaintiff: They cheated
Defendent: They have to make the claim before we cheat.

Trump's team has not won a single case where voter fraud was alleged, as they had zero evidence. By your own admission this isn't even what the current lawsuit is about, it's only about the deadlines for mail-in ballots.

It wasn't SCOTUS who said, "go ahead and vote, haha just kidding".

That's because nobody needs SCOTUS' permission to go vote. They aren't meant to be involved in the process at all.

We live in unprecedented times. There is nothing colloquial about what's going on, and I don't think any citizen can honestly verify that US has been or is a Democracy.

There's only one grifter claiming the election was illegitimate, as opposed to every elections expert, foreign and domestic, Republican and Democrat, who have verified that this election was one of the most secure in modern history.

If SCOTUS does establish a new precedent, it's going to shatter a lot of people's current view.

Again, the precedent wouldn't last long, because for all intents and purposes, the USA would dissolve if a few select rich and powerful individuals get to pick our leaders for us. The constitution would no longer mean anything, and the rule of law would be dead, along with at least a few SCOTUS justices likely to join it.

No matter which way this goes, a lot of people are going to be dissatisfied.

Correct, but these assholes also had this defeat coming, and they should've been able to see it coming a mile away. They spent the last four years agitating, harassing, and provoking everyone they possibly could, deepening the country's divisions in the process. Of course nobody cares if they're dissatisfied now...if anything their dissatisfaction puts a smile on the majority of Americans' faces.

Based on what I surmise of Trump, I don't think this is even his last card. He will probably keep fighting Joe if he makes it to the inauguration.

You surmise wrong then. It's true the closest thing to an admission of defeat we could've expected from him was allowing Biden's transition to begin, but he's entirely powerless the moment the electoral college votes. There's been a fair amount of reporting lately that his family intends to leave to Mar-A-Lago for Christmas and never come back to the White House, and that absolutely tracks with the character of such a sore loser.

 

[tabzer]

Trump's team has not won a single case where voter fraud was alleged, as they had zero evidence. By your own admission this isn't even what the current lawsuit is about, it's only about the deadlines for mail-in ballots.

The zero evidence claim simply isn't true. Evidence has mounting since the claim was made, There is more evidence today than yesterday. That's the trend. It has been easy for some states to dismiss it, and other states had to throw out cases on excuses like "it's too late", or "this isn't worth my time". Also, I believe this suit includes all complaints/submissions related to fraud. I don't know how you got to "by your own admission".

That's because nobody needs SCOTUS' permission to go vote. They aren't meant to be involved in the process at all.

They are meant to handle disputes that cannot be resolved on the state level, or conflicts coming through the interstate/federal level. The states need legislative structure to validate their voting process. If a state violates the constitution practicing outside of legislation, then SCOTUS could be compelled to intervene.

There's only grifter claiming the election was illegitimate, as opposed to every elections expert, foreign and domestic, Republican and Democrat, who have verified that this election was one of the most secure in modern history.

They must not be familiar with Dominion machines then, or they are saying that ironically.

https://streamable.com/yzrypo
https://streamable.com/u7nav7

Correct, but these assholes also had this defeat coming, and they should've been able to see it coming a mile away. They spent the last four years agitating, harassing, and provoking everyone they possibly could, deepening the country's divisions in the process. Of course nobody cares if they're dissatisfied now...if anything their dissatisfaction puts a smile on the majority of Americans' faces.

They have a similar way of thinking. You think you are apart of the majority of America because you listen and believe in the news that affirms that. You hang out in places where people will upvote you and make you feel accepted. What if you are just apart of a minority who is just really noisy?

You surmise wrong then. It's true the closest thing to an admission of defeat we could've expect from him was allowing Biden's transition to begin, but he's entirely powerless the moment the electoral college votes. There's been a fair amount of reporting lately that his family intends to leave to Mar-A-Lago for Christmas and never come back to the White House, and that absolutely tracks with the character of such a sore loser.

Well I don't know about all of that. I'm just giving this thread until Jan 20th.

 

[Deleted User]

The zero evidence claim simply isn't true. Evidence has mounting since the claim was made, There is more evidence today than yesterday. That's the trend. It has been easy for some states to dismiss it, and other states had to throw out cases on excuses like "it's too late", or "this isn't worth my time". Also, I believe this suit includes all complaints/submissions related to fraud. I don't know how you got to "by your own admission".

Are we seriously going to be playing word salad today... sigh
Let me just cut through your bullshit.
"Evidence has mounting since the claim was made."
Evidence that has been thrown out of the court/dismissed over 50 times now.
over 50 times
compared to a single one win, in which said win didn't even really target widespread election fraud.
Because there is no widespread election fraud
If the courts are dismissing it, not even at the actual trial phase, but at the very beginning where you need to give just a little bit of proof.
Then clearly they do not have enough evidence to back up their claim.

They have a similar way of thinking. You think you are apart of the majority of America because you listen and believe in the news that affirms that. You hang out in places where people will upvote you and make you feel accepted. What if you are just apart of a minority who is just really noisy?

Well, looking at poll ratio's here. I would easily argue that there are more left leaning people than right on this site.
Which, this site while not perfect, has given us some small in-sight into who is the majority. and quite overwhelmingly on this site it's left leaning. Combined with additional polling, which happens to have similar leanings.
As you just tried to imply, (that democrats/left leaning people are the minority) it would be the other way around.

 

[Xzi]

The zero evidence claim simply isn't true.

It is, otherwise Trump's team wouldn't have been laughed out of the courtroom 55 times. No evidence was provided in a single one of those cases, just wild speculation and talk of a kraken. By the end of it, Rudy's star witness was some drunk homeless lady. They're finished with the voter fraud angle, it only remains relevant to partisan conspiracy theorists online.

If a state violates the constitution practicing outside of legislation, then SCOTUS could be compelled to intervene.

A justice cannot violate the constitution by overturning election results. That's all this ultimately boils down to. If they do, the constitution is no better than a used tissue, the entire thing becomes invalid.

They must not be familiar with Dominion machines then, or they are saying that ironically.

They're perfectly familiar with Dominion machines, the results from which were validated multiple times. If you're looking for a conspiracy with a bit more evidence to back it, look into ES&S voting machines. Those are the only machines whose reported outcomes were a drastic departure from all polling, including exit polling. To the benefit of Republicans, of course.

You think you are apart of the majority of America because you listen and believe in the news that affirms that.

No, I know I'm a part of the majority because I'm not a Republican. Registered Democrats alone have outnumbered registered Republicans for decades, and no Republican president has won the popular vote for 16 years. Add in independents and unaffiliated voters, and you start to see just how much of a minority Republicans truly are. A loud minority, but a minority nonetheless.

Well I don't know about all of that. I'm just giving this thread until Jan 20th.

Good call. I've said all that can possibly be said on the subject. I knew it would be about 300 pages into this thread before the final Trump supporter would stop clinging to delusion like a rat clings to a sinking ship, but I never thought that person would be from Japan. IIRC Trump was insulting to your Prime Minister on multiple occasions, if not outright racist toward him at times. Anyway, I'll check in again once SCOTUS unanimously declines to hear the case.

 

[Driving_duck]

The zero evidence claim simply isn't true. Evidence has mounting since the claim was made, There is more evidence today than yesterday. That's the trend. It has been easy for some states to dismiss it, and other states had to throw out cases on excuses like "it's too late", or "this isn't worth my time". Also, I believe this suit includes all complaints/submissions related to fraud. I don't know how you got to "by your own admission".



They are meant to handle disputes that cannot be resolved on the state level, or conflicts coming through the interstate/federal level. The states need legislative structure to validate their voting process. If a state violates the constitution practicing outside of legislation, then SCOTUS could be compelled to intervene.



They must not be familiar with Dominion machines then, or they are saying that ironically.

https://streamable.com/yzrypo
https://streamable.com/u7nav7






They have a similar way of thinking. You think you are apart of the majority of America because you listen and believe in the news that affirms that. You hang out in places where people will upvote you and make you feel accepted. What if you are just apart of a minority who is just really noisy?



Well I don't know about all of that. I'm just giving this thread until Jan 20th.

When people say they have evidence of voter fraud, they mean the 20 people who were pressured to change their vote. While yes, some people are trying to bend the system and commit voter fraud, its a stupid claim of its widespread. Its not, and the evidence people have is either flimsey at best, or horrible at worst. Some people have been pressured, some people have tried to vote twice, that is true, but the widespread fraud of 170,000 votes being true? Thats just compelete BULLSHIT.

 

[omgcat]

Supreme court refuses to hear the case. stick a fork in them, they're done.

7 justices deny for lack of standing.
2 Would grant motion for petition but deny relief.

No justice sides with TX/Trump.

 

[Driving_duck]

Supreme court refuses to hear the case. stick a fork in them, they're done.

7 justices deny for lack of standing.
2 Would grant motion for petition but deny relief.

No justice sides with TX/Trump.

Welp, that's it, biden won, no debating, he won.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Supreme court refuses to hear the case. stick a fork in them, they're done.

7 justices deny for lack of standing.
2 Would grant motion for petition but deny relief.

No justice sides with TX/Trump.

Came here to post this. I thought the SCOTUS was supposed to be the ace in the hole, where you just ask them to do something and they're like "oh, OK, guess Trump wins now"

NPR link, because more perspectives are always a good thing - https://www.npr.org/2020/12/11/945617913/supreme-court-shuts-door-on-trump-election-prospects

 

[omgcat]

If you or a loved one has suffered from the Copeiod crisis, and are on the edge, here is the number for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.

1-800-273-8255

stay safe.

 

[Xzi]

Supreme court refuses to hear the case. stick a fork in them, they're done.

7 justices deny for lack of standing.
2 Would grant motion for petition but deny relief.

No justice sides with TX/Trump.

They smacked them down hard with this one, told Texas not to bother attempting to file any more lawsuits about the election.

If you or a loved one has suffered from the Copeiod crisis, and are on the edge, here is the number for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.

1-800-273-8255

stay safe.

"Copeiod crisis." I'm dead.

 

[omgcat]

They smacked them down hard with this one, told Texas not to bother attempting to file any more lawsuits about the election.




"Copeiod crisis." I'm dead.

i'm kind of sad i don't get to see jimbo's reaction.

 

[Driving_duck]

i'm kind of sad i don't get to see jimbo's reaction.

Let me guess, he got suspended?