Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[tabzer]

I was referring to the politically active crowd when I said "majority."

I wasn't when I said minority. We were talking about Americans.

Biden is going to be spending the next four years shoveling all the shit Trump left behind out of government. He's not really going to have time for anything else, and he may not even manage to finish that job in its entirety.

Wild speculation you have going on there.

Which makes you susceptible to believing a whole lot of nonsense. Not everything is a conspiracy. 80 million plus Americans truly do hate Trump. It's as simple as that.

I disagree with every point of insinuation here.

Even with all the influence and power that POTUS commands, I don't think it's an enviable position to be in right now.

All decisions are pretty much crowd-sourced by all the stockholders. He just has to play the part--which is already asking too much.

 

[Xzi]

I wasn't when I said minority. We were talking about Americans.

Okay? Republicans are still the minority even if we add in the politically inactive crowd...because they are also not Republicans.

Wild speculation you have going on there.

Not really, Trump left us in a worsening pandemic and a deepening recession. Biden has no choice but to take care of both of these things before government can return to any minimal baseline standard of functionality.

I disagree with every point of insinuation here.

Hey, you're the one who made the statement that you'll believe anybody willing to "pull back the curtain" on any given topic. The reality of it is that you only actually look for conspiracies when confronted with facts that contradict your feelings and opinions.

 

[mikefor20]

I wasn't when I said minority. We were talking about Americans.

Wild speculation you have going on there.

I disagree with every point of insinuation here.

All decisions are pretty much crowd-sourced by all the stockholders. He just has to play the part--which is already asking too much.

Yeah Yeah Yeah, Stand down proud boy. That Cheeto Demon left a HUGE mess. Rome wasn't built in a day. But you can BURN it down in one afternoon with enough gas.. It will take more than 1 term to fix this mess. How embarrassing to be a Trump supporter. Except they have no common sense and believe their own lies. I feel somewhat sorry for them. I guess ignorance is bliss though...

 

[tabzer]

Yeah Yeah Yeah, Stand down proud boy. That Cheeto Demon left a HUGE mess. Rome wasn't built in a day. But you can BURN it down in one afternoon with enough gas.. It will take more than 1 term to fix this mess. How embarrassing to be a Trump supporter. Except they have no common sense and believe their own lies. I feel somewhat sorry for them. I guess ignorance is bliss though...

What the hell is a mikefor20?

Okay? Republicans are still the minority even if we add in the politically inactive crowd...because they are also not Republicans.

Still talking about Americans, though. I dislike Republicans and Democrats, but sometimes both parties can represent a view that is held by the majority of Americans. My argument: the majority of America is probably not going to be happy with a Biden presidency and the lack of closure on "are elections really just a farce?". It was my assumption by, "smiling" you meant something in alluding to happiness. Clenching teeth is not the same.

Not really, Trump left us in a worsening pandemic and a deepening recession. Biden has no choice but to take care of both of these things before government can return to any minimal baseline standard of functionality.

You have to understand, I'm sarcastic and irreverent to political charades. You have previously stated that evidence of voter fraud = wild speculation, and here I am suggesting that there is no evidence that Biden will be alive tomorrow. Please forgive my twisted humor.

Hey, you're the one who made the statement that you'll believe anybody willing to "pull back the curtain" on any given topic. The reality of it is that you only actually look for conspiracies when confronted with facts that contradict your feelings and opinions.

I said I'd support anybody pulling the curtain. Not that I believe in them. 90% of Trumps presidency I was skeptical of him. %10 of the time I was happy that he said something about fighting the system. I didn't vote for him. But he was more entertaining than Obama, who ironically talked about hope.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Babies aren't allowed in war.

Guess that leaves you out.

 

[Xzi]

My argument: the majority of America is probably not going to be happy with a Biden presidency and the lack of closure on "are elections really just a farce?". It was my assumption by, "smiling" you meant something in alluding to happiness. Clenching teeth is not the same.

There were literally people dancing and partying in the streets the moment the election was called for Biden. Do I personally care for the guy? Not really, but frankly even sticking a dozen chimpanzees on bath salts inside the White House would be a massive improvement over what we've had the last four years.

But he was more entertaining than Obama, who ironically talked about hope.

And therein lies the confusion: government isn't meant to be entertaining, it's not reality TV. The drier and more boring it is, the better the odds that it's working properly. Not to mention that "entertainment" for Republicans often seems to involve the oppression and discrimination of others.

 

[djpannda]

Guess that leaves you out.

Oh wow great come back.. please tell us how you are planing to commit treason ..

 

[tabzer]

There were literally people dancing and partying in the streets the moment the election was called for Biden. Do I personally care for the guy? Not really, but frankly even sticking a dozen chimpanzees on bath salts inside the White House would be an improvement over what we've had the last four years.

People literally dancing and partying in the streets =/= majority of Americans. I get that makes you high, but the reality gets a little darker every day.

And therein lies the confusion: government isn't meant to be entertaining, it's not reality TV.

I'm not confused about it. The American political system was on the verge of becoming irrelevant. It needed someone like Trump to boost ratings AKA relevance.

The drier and more boring it is, the better the odds that it's working properly.

I'd agree.

Not to mention that "entertainment" for Republicans often seems to involve the oppression and discrimination of others.

Not for me, but I don't disagree with the assertion that it happens.

 

[Xzi]

I get that makes you high, but the reality gets a little darker every day.

No offense, but how the hell would you know if you don't live here? This has been a very dark year, but Trump has been a big contributor to that, so of course people are going to be happy to see a light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how small.

I'm not confused about it. The American political system was on the verge of becoming irrelevant. It needed someone like Trump to boost ratings AKA relevance.

 

[Master X]

Guess what folks, it's Birther lawsuit time!

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.694824/gov.uscourts.casd.694824.1.0.pdf

 

[Xzi]

Guess what folks, it's Birther lawsuit time!

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.694824/gov.uscourts.casd.694824.1.0.pdf

Ah yes. When all else fails for the Republican party, it's time to fall back on ol' reliable: racism.

 

[tabzer]

No offense, but how the hell would you know if you don't live here? This has been a very dark year, but Trump has been a big contributor to that, so of course people are going to be happy to see a light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how small.

*Trump assumes office.*
*Everybody tries to make everything worse.*

"Look what Trump did."

The light at the end of the tunnel occurs when you die.

Nice meme. Run out of reason?

 

[Xzi]

*Trump assumes office.*
*Everybody tries to make everything worse.*

"Look what Trump did."

*Trump assumes office.*
*Fucks everything up.*

Republicans: "look what the deep state did!" Always an excuse. Always somebody else to blame. The buck stops anywhere else, right?

The light at the end of the tunnel occurs when you die.

Gee, I can't imagine why such a cheery message didn't resonate with voters.

Nice meme. Run out of reason?

If I did, it certainly wasn't before you did. TV ratings = relevance for the US government? C'mon guy, I know you aren't that dumb. Not to mention you contradicted yourself with the very next reply. Maybe I just didn't pick up on the sarcasm? If that's the case then I apologize.

 

[tabzer]

When all else fails for the Republican party, it's time to fall back on ol' reliable: racism

Anchor babies aren't about race. But lol. Wonder if it will work.

Republicans: "look what the deep state did!" Always an excuse. Always somebody else to blame. The buck stops anywhere else, right?

Everybody wants to blame someone, except the fact that America (inclusive of you) elected Trump.

Gee, I can't imagine why such a cheery message didn't resonate with voters.

What? Please explain.

Maybe I just didn't pick up on the sarcasm? If that's the case then I apologize.

It was kind of sarcastic. But there is an underlying point that American government needs to convince people that it's real. If esteem regarding the government weakens then all factions of the government loses standing. There is truth that ratings are important.

 

[Xzi]

Anchor babies aren't about race. But lol. Wonder if it will work.

Most of Trump's kids are "anchor babies," gotta love the hypocrisy here. And it'll work about as well as birtherism did the last 2-3 times, aka not at all.

Everybody wants to blame someone, except the fact that America (inclusive of you) elected Trump.

I sure as shit didn't vote for him in either election, and he didn't even win the popular vote in 2016. So no, the whole of America never elected him.

What? Please explain.

"There's only a light at the end of the tunnel when you die" is basically nihilism, and it sounds awfully close to, "grandma should die for the economy." The phrase is a metaphor, but even taken literally, you can go through any tunnel IRL and see the light at the end of it. Dying is not a requirement for that.

There is truth that ratings are important.

Clarify: approval ratings or TV ratings? The former is only important insofar as getting re-elected is concerned, and that should not be the primary focus of our leaders. The latter is entirely irrelevant, as we don't elect leaders to liven up C-SPAN, we elect them to lead.

 

[tabzer]

Most of Trump's kids are "anchor babies," gotta love the hypocrisy here. And it'll work about as well as birtherism did the last 2-3 times, aka not at all.

In Trump's case, the father was American, so it deters from the point. Also, he's not the one proposing the case, so how is it hypocrisy? Maybe they want to prevent a Trump Jr. presidency? Who cares. As I said, it's not racism.

I sure as shit didn't vote for him in either election, and he didn't even win the popular vote in 2016. So no, the whole of America never elected him.

If you voted in an election where he won, that means you endorsed, what turned out to be, his election.

"There's only a light at the end of the tunnel when you die" is basically nihilism, and it sounds awfully close to, "grandma should die for the economy." The phrase is a metaphor, but even taken literally, you can go through any tunnel IRL and see the light at the end of it. Dying is not a requirement for that.

I can be nihilistic when it comes to politics. But how was that a party message?

Clarify: approval ratings or TV ratings? The former is only important insofar as getting re-elected is concerned, and that should not be the primary focus of our leaders. The latter is entirely irrelevant, as we don't elect leaders to liven up C-SPAN, we elect them to lead.

The former is only important insofar as getting re-elected is concerned

False. The government gets power from the people. If the people don't believe in it, it loses its power to enforce rule. Getting people angry or excited about the government reinforces its existence, therefore rule. TV ratings is a consort.

 

[Xzi]

As I said, it's not racism.

You're not exactly an authority on the subject...you didn't even recognize it when Trump was being racist toward your own Prime Minister.

If you voted in an election where he won, that means you endorsed, what turned out to be, his election.

This makes zero goddamn sense. You don't endorse elections. You endorse candidates.

I can be nihilistic when it comes to politics. But how was that a party message?

Nihilism seems to be a pretty common symptom of conservatism these days. It's almost as if putting the entire country through pain and suffering in order to "own the libs" fails to produce lasting happiness.

False. The government gets power from the people. If the people don't believe in it, it loses its power to enforce rule.

That's only if the people are prepared and willing to hold government accountable through direct action (strikes, riots, revolutions). Americans are unlike the French in that way; we're infamously lazy and apathetic. Which is why even presidents who never break the low 40s in approval rating, like Trump, have no problem retaining office for their full term(s).

 

[tabzer]

You're not exactly an authority on the subject...you didn't even recognize it when Trump was being racist toward your own Prime Minister.

That is a different subject and an intentional misdirection from the point that was made. If you think I should take issue about something else, then present it in a forward manner, and then I can respond.

This makes zero goddamn sense. You don't endorse elections. You endorse candidates.

It makes zero goddamn sense because you think your only option is to vote for staged elections, and then you fight to defend your action--boasting the situation.

Nihilism seems to be a pretty common symptom of conservatism these days. It's almost as if putting the entire country through pain and suffering in order to "own the libs" fails to produce lasting happiness.

Yeah, I don't think so.

That's only if the people are prepared and willing to hold government accountable through direct action (strikes, riots, revolutions).

While such actions may actively remove power from the government, or at least shift it, dramatically, it does not make my claim incorrect.

 

[Xzi]

That is a different subject and an intentional misdirection from the point that was made.

Accusing someone of being born outside of the US with no evidence to back the claim aside from the person's skin color is racism. Period. The KKK would often use the exact same tactic way back when, so now let's hear your excuse for why the KKK isn't actually racist either.

It makes zero goddamn sense because you think your only option is to vote for staged elections

Lmao, so now ALL elections are staged? I thought Trump winning was proof that an outsider could win despite having zero political experience and zero intelligence? And no, electoralism is not the only option, I already listed the others. Strikes, riots, revolutions.

Yeah, I don't think so.

So you agree then. Inflicting misery on others can ultimately only lead to misery for yourself. Maintaining a mindset of "I have to hurt that other guy, because given the opportunity he would hurt me" is extremely unhealthy in the long-term.

While such actions may actively remove power from the government, or at least shift it, dramatically, it does not make my claim incorrect.

I already provided the reason why your claim is incorrect. A president could have a 1% approval rating, and it would still mean nothing if either the House or the Senate is unwilling to impeach. Back when the country was much, much smaller, sure, government needed the consent of the governed. If that was still the case today, we would've already abolished the electoral college.

 

[tabzer]

Accusing someone of being born outside of the US with no evidence to back the claim aside from the person's skin color is racism.

You are being an idiot. It says in the suit:

"Kamala Devi Harris [Plaintiffs are informed and do verily believe, and based thereon allege that her middle name was originally "Iyer" and changed to "Devi"] (hereinafter referred to as "Harris") is the Defendant in this action in her personal capacity and not in any official capacity, and was born on the 20th day of October, 1964 in Oakland, California."

The suit posits that the definition of "natural born Citizen" hasn't been adjudicated to mean someone who was conveniently given birth to in the US.

This is not a racial matter.

Again, if you want to talk about racism. What racist thing did Trump say about the PM?

Lmao, so now ALL elections are staged? I thought Trump winning was proof that an outsider could win despite having zero political experience and zero intelligence? And no, electoralism is not the only option, I already listed the others. Strikes, riots, revolutions.

Clinton vs Trump was clearly staged imo. Trump appealed to those who had hope that the system could be repaired on the inside from an outside person. Many of his supporters still think he can.

You chose to vote instead of striking, rioting, and embarking on a revolution. So, I fail to see how or what you are dismissing.

So you agree then. Inflicting misery on others can ultimately only lead to misery for yourself. Maintaining a mindset of "I have to hurt that other guy, because given the opportunity he would hurt me" is extremely unhealthy in the long-term.

I just don't think your assessment reflects reality. I don't think Trump was elected to piss liberals off.

if anything their dissatisfaction puts a smile on the majority of Americans' faces.

I already provided the reason why your claim is incorrect. A president could have a 1% approval rating, and it would still mean nothing if either the House or the Senate is unwilling to impeach.

If a president could have 1% approval rating, lets talk about how much the citizens in such an environment are paying in taxes, following the law, joining/supporting the military, not rioting/murdering politicians.