[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[Deleted User]

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Wow... the joke writes itself.
Well, glad to know you're a fascist. I don't think I'll be discussing anymore with you any time soon, since trying to reason with a fascist is out the window and far out of my expertise.

 

[AkGBA]

Hahahahahahahaha. Biden, a socialist.
Nice one.

 

[Lacius]

Where are you getting that? I'm looking at CDC here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

And I'm seeing for the "covid-related" (which is bullshit, but anyway) these numbers:

Week of
Sept 26 3782
Oct 3 3519
Oct 10 3635
Oct 17 2841
Oct 24 1119

More recent weeks are 'provisional' and the end total will probably be a little higher, but still it's looking like a 3500-3600 average recently. And that's twice what you're claiming.

https://covidtracking.com/data

 

[Hanafuda]

https://covidtracking.com/data

oh, The Atlantic.

well, you would lol.

 

[notimp]

oh, The Atlantic.

well, you would lol.

You ignored the actual answer, and actively chose to lampoon the answer what you claim is wrong, but isnt.

You are an instigator. For no reason. Just to create conflict.

You probably also actively chose to confront with weekly numbers, where you knew that deaths on two days of the week were well below 1000 but on other days of the week they were above 1000.

Then you ridiculed a person over the weekly average not being 1000 deaths - yet. A measure you introduced. And that pretty much no one uses. (Or how often have you heard in the news what the weekly average of death numbers is?).

Also you actively ignored 'exponential nature', by suggesting that death 'never could be that high', which already is false. And winter is only beginning.

You actively produced confusion, to hide the actual facts.
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Befiore you did that - you were actually somewhat in the right, because weekly averages are slightly below 1000. But that doesnt mean what you then claimed it means.

(It could never be that high, Atalntic probably made up those values, .... - all those are lies.)

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Wow... the joke writes itself.
Well, glad to know you're a fascist. I don't think I'll be discussing anymore with you any time soon, since trying to reason with a fascist is out the window and far out of my expertise.

What? How does any of that apply to me?

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I made a thing.

 

[notimp]

What? How does any of that apply to me?

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I made a thing.
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Ignore him - he is trying to create personal bickering to not have people read, how completely he fed them with bull'shit propaganda. Ignore it, if possible, and let it stand for itself.

 

[Hanafuda]

You ignored the actual answer, and actively chose to lampoon the answer what you claim is wrong, but isnt.

You are an instigator. For no reason. Just to create conflict.

blah blah fucking blah blah blah

I didn't make any claims at all. I just choose to go with CDC statistics, not "The Atlantic." Any "news source" that would publish the flagrant bullshit that rag does on claims of anonymous sources is not one I will rely on. But you can if you like.

 

[Lacius]

oh, The Atlantic.

well, you would lol.

The numbers are correct. It's public reporting by the states.

 

[notimp]

I didn't make any claims at all. I just choose to go with CDC statistics, not "The Atlantic." Any "news source" that would publish the flagrant bullshit that rag does on claims of anonymous sources is not one I will rely on. But you can if you like.

Claims were implicit. Not explicit. You were right. Average daily death rates arent at 1000 yet. But but individual days are close to that, sometimes even exceeding that. So its not outrageous to bring it as a news item (especially not looking at growth trends).

So I was with you when you were right.

But I stopped being with you, when you used it to lampoon the Atlantic over which sources they use. The numbers arent that different to be called into question (as 'entirely made up').

 

[Coto]

Ah, it was a 'please stop revolting' PR measure.
So government messed up, then tried to wrangle back the public sentiment, by giving them something, anything, but the governments head.

It was the so dreaded millenial brainwash (post 1990). The Chileans (and Europe) have no idea how many decades took Chile to have as little as 5% of Unemployment Rate. (2015)

https://tradingeconomics.com/chile/unemployment-rate

Please set the slide to [MAX]. What you are seeing before 1990 was the socialist retaliation when moving forwards a neo capitalist socio economic model. You can see the unemployment rate was of 13.50%


The "military dictatorship" in Chile only arranged constitutional laws to move away from socialism (poverty and misery) and it would end in 1990. Chile was then handed over to their social democrat (democRats) government. The chilean communists were humilliated because Chile was the only country where communism failed, and it'd be pointed by everybody. Because of that, the communists here said something like "next time, our revenge won't be through bullets but by voting".

Also You should look what happened to Chile prior to 1973. You'll see Chile was deemed to be a socialist country, and not "the backyard of USA". It was the misery all socialists tend to skip "for some unknown reason".

 

[notimp]

It was the so dreaded millenial brainwash (post 1990). The Chileans (and Europe) have no idea how many decades took Chile to have as little as 5% of Unemployment Rate. (2015)

https://tradingeconomics.com/chile/unemployment-rate

I got that you made progress in terms of getting a more equal distribution of income. A revolt under those circumstances isnt all that usual.

But then privatizing utilities, and raising prices up to the point where the public rebells, isnt from the 'free societies rulebook' either. So if thats what conjured up the revolt - some folks are to blame that arent the left. And even less likely ANTIFA, who noone really likes. (Too edgy.)(Except when you have a problem with far right populism.)

The idea that 'a leftist movement just seduced 2/3 of the society' is also not flipping likely, because the left basically everywhere else in the world is facing an existential crisis, Maybe everyone just believed in facebook memes this time around, who knows. (I'm not intimately familiar with the developments in your country.)

But getting 2/3s of the public against a standing government is no small feat - so regardless of how you frame it, something had to happen at such an infliction point.

This is more than, 'Antifa just took over, and PRed me country'.
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On the point that socialism means poverty and misery - only if you have the US (or an other big power) antagonizing your development. (Massive sanctions, currency wars, ...) Otherwise, 'socialism' combined with free market principles has been successful in getting countries out of poverty, and setting up necessary checks and ballances. (edit: Often, not always.)

You can think about it this way. The reflex after such a leftwing uprising, is often increased investments in public education, social security (pensions), and healthcare. So you can ask yourself if this is a way for your country to profit, at the current point in time, or if this would result in everyone 'becoming poorer again' as you hinted at. It depends what you make of it. So do you have investments 'pending' where a higher level of education would actually accelerate growth? Are you sufficiently independent from outside interests, that you would be able to strike deals that would leave you with more structural income in return for ressources?

If yes, a left shift isnt the worst.

And to be honest, a 2/3 vote against the reigning government, is very unlikely to be caused by 'just PR'. (You usually need a bunch of people facing a hunger crisis to get those kind of numbers against a standing government...)

On the positive side, hey - maybe you become more independent, more just, less corrupt... Who knows. At least there is the public enthusiasm to try once more. .)


edit: Slight correction, democratic socialism, with free market capitalism still in place (reigned in, but still als you main economic system). I dont mean 'state managed economy' socialism.

 

[gregory-samba]

I feel I needed to write this down. Do not make the same mistake Chileans did a week ago. Your life depends on it.

Chile as of 25th October 2020 is a SOCIALIST country, the new constitution agreed and signed by 80% of ignorant Chileans made the citizen sovereignty to cease to exist. We lost our liberty and freedom. ONU (United Nations, Human Rights Watch) + Sao Paulo Forum have the Chilean sovereignty now. There are ways to take them back, but let me tell you how it happened:

Antifa was created in Chile. ONU's Latin American guests including Sebastian Piñera (Chilean President), Michelle Bachelet (ex-Chilean President), Jorge Abbott - Mario Desbordes (The Government of National Defense, with ability to write any law through a Constituent Party), hijacked the older, libertarian constitution and escalated rights to write a new one, added the Chilean stupidity). The last group of people belonged to MIR / FPMR (Frente Patriótico Manuel Rodríguez). UN socialist take over model emerged from terrorism (as you can see in Chile's tanketazo, several republican US and Chileans murdered by such armed group). That group has been renamed and split into several micro socialist communist guerrillas. Coordinadora Arauco Malleco, Frente Amplio, (of which family members of the Chilean Human Rights Watch founders are acting as leaders). Added the Sao Paulo Forum party which takes G2, castro chavist guerrillas, and on top of that enforced by UN.

These guerrillas push social issues further into removing the current socio-political model (socialism), until the current socio-political model is destroyed. Then communism takes over and rewrites rules (through a new constitution and / or by force. This is how things have had happened in Argentina, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Chile, Perú (in progress), Bolivia. The entire Latin America has been taken over now, through terrorist Sao Paulo Forum terrorists (like Antifa, but armed and agreed to work silently under the socialist government).

We military are ready when the war starts here in Chile. USA's constitution is at risk right now. Like I said earlier,

Chile's https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanquetazo made Chile to have a constitution and sovereignty entirely for us citizens.
It was thanks to USA neo capitalist / socialist but with sovereignty tied to their citizens model, where I could develop things and participate in great stuff related to Chile's growth...
development has its roots deeply tied with values and freedom, otherwise there is no development and everything begins to wither.... as you can see in Venezuela, Cuba, China. Rusia due to political issues may not talk about it openly, but they are somewhat getting the same understanding now (at least their citizens), and I can relate to that.

If Biden wins, the last stand in liberty and freedom in the entire world will cease to exist. Since i'm from the Chilean military, ONU has disarmed military, has disarmed our greatly appreciated Carabineros (they are dying everyday, and if they defend themselves the political socialist parties take them over 10+ years in prison), and they are building a communist, popular police (Policía de Investigaciones), of which already has escalated rights to act as military, but they are (about 50%) corrupt and socialist.

So go and support Trump, or your country will be destroyed. I need not to justify anything. I'm stating what happened in my country and how USA was able to help us. And USA needs the same support from their citizens. I hope your understand.

Thank you for your time.

That's a total buzz kill man. We do have idiots in this country that desire we throw out our individual rights too. They're called liberals and they're stupid as fuck for wanting to do so. Sorry to hear about your Military position and the eventual fate of your country. I'd move if I were you.

 

[Doran754]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1322999080008642560?s=20

More black people that don't realise that actually they're not Black. Biden will be along to let them know soon, or a white liberal.

This is also a very interesting video. Black trump supporters being silenced by big tech, of course they dont know that they're actually not black. Hopefully Joom will be jogging over to tell them.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1323019334701080582?s=20

 

[crimpshrine]

 

[Lacius]

That's a total buzz kill man. We do have idiots in this country that desire we throw out our individual rights too. They're called liberals and they're stupid as fuck for wanting to do so. Sorry to hear about your Military position and the eventual fate of your country. I'd move if I were you.

Name-calling doesn't help your case. Nobody wants to take your rights away. You're thinking of conservatives' war against women's rights, LGBT rights, etc.

 

[Hanafuda]

Why is this body fake campaigning as Kamala Harris?!?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...double-palm-beach-polling-place-video-photos/



backup video link (but Twitter is probably even more likely to censor)
https://twitter.com/m1dn7ghtrider/status/1323000259233067008?s=21

 

[Lacius]

Why is this body fake campaigning as Kamala Harris?!?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...double-palm-beach-polling-place-video-photos/



backup video link (but Twitter is probably even more likely to censor)
https://twitter.com/m1dn7ghtrider/status/1323000259233067008?s=21

What conspiracy theory nonsense is this?

 

[Hanafuda]

What conspiracy theory nonsense is this?

It's fucking bizarre is what it is. I mean, why?!? Someone living a fantasy? I just thought it was amusing and very fucked up. Not alleging any conspiracies, though I would like to know just what the hell is going on there.

 

[gregory-samba]

It's fucking bizarre is what it is. I mean, why?!? Someone living a fantasy? I just thought it was amusing and very fucked up. Not alleging any conspiracies, though I would like to know just what the hell is going on there.

Democrats value deception so I wouldn't put it past them to fake a candidate to get votes.