[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[LumInvader]

Lol, another leftist scammer spamming the word "science", like virtually everything in science isn't disputed. I hear there were these people called the Nazis who had TONS of really smart scientists. Since you insist on the world being run as a tyrannical technocracy, why aren't you calling these guys up? They have TONS of scientific advice to share with you.

Predictably, you've provided no reasonable counterargument against social distancing as a means to reduce Covid-19's rate of infection. This isn't just a science issue -- it's a common sense issue, which is why it's important to underscore this disingenuously flawed reasoning.

The mark of intelligence is one's ability to separate emotion from analysis. Your pattern is to discuss each topic in a vindictive emotional manner, via ad hominum attacks and association fallacies, and thus many of your positions have an inherently weak foundation (i.e. anti-science gibberish vs. social distancing strategy). This is why you resort to personal attacks in nearly every one of your posts, because your full intention is to provoke an emotional response from your opponent in an attempt to distract them away from analysis.

COVID-19 study links strict social distancing to much lower chance of infection:

They found, for example, that those reporting frequent public transport use were more than four times as likely to report a history of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection, while those who reported practicing strict outdoor social distancing were just a tenth as likely to report ever being SARS-CoV-2 positive.

Efforts to prevent COVID-19 led to global decline in flu:

Results showed that the percentage of respiratory specimens that tested positive for influenza dropped from more than 20% to 2.3%

COVID-19 gains lost after social distancing measures relaxed:

According to the study, they used segmented linear regression to estimate the extent to which social distancing relaxation affected epidemic control, as indicated by the time-varying, state-specific effective reproduction number (Rt). The study demonstrated that in the 8 weeks before social distancing relaxation, mean Rt declined by 0.012 units per day. After relaxation of social distancing, Rt reversed course and began increasing by 0.007 units per day.

Model: US could see another 200K COVID-19 deaths by 2021:

The University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) currently projects more than 375,000 total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 by Dec. 31. However, a model that “assumes that the gradual easing of social distancing mandates continues” shows the number of deaths could surpass 437,000 by the end of the year.

COVID-19 pandemic-related lockdown: response time is more important than its strictness:

Countries that enforced a very strict lockdown could have obtained similar mortality figures with less stringent mobility restrictions as long as social distancing is initiated as early as possible after the first incidents are recorded. As a direct consequence, the socioeconomic damage of a strict lockdown could have been less severe.

For vampire bats, social distancing while sick comes naturally:

In the wild, vampire bats -- which are highly social animals -- keep their distance when they're sick or living with sick groupmates. And it can be expected that they reduce the spread of disease as a result.

 

[LumInvader]

Despite masks and social distancing the virus is spreading to new heights. Numbers went up yesterday over 100k new cases. Masks and social distancing is doing a good fucking job of stopping it. As you say numbers dont lie.

How many masks? How much social distancing? vs. what amount exactly so we can measure impact? What you're attempting to argue is completely unscientific and makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

Nobody cares about your Covid lies. Everyone and their mom knows it was released on purpose to try and fulfill a specific agenda. The standard provide problem, wait for reaction, then unveil pre-packaged solution.

Only a complete moron would comply. Want to not get screwed over? Just do the 100% exact opposite of anything Bill Gates and Soros say. Or Biden, but he's not actually giving anyone orders, he's just a grade Z actor puppet reciting the lines.

Whether it was created in a lab, or simply harvested and kept in a lab then released on purpose doesn't matter. Same thing in the end. The original top researchers in India who blew the whistle claimed it was artificially made. They just worded it in a manner of plausible deniability for what they're implying:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

 

[omgcat]

Nobody cares about your Covid lies. Everyone and their mom knows it was released on purpose to try and fulfill a specific agenda. The standard provide problem, wait for reaction, then unveil pre-packaged solution.

Only a complete moron would comply. Want to not get screwed over? Just do the 100% exact opposite of anything Bill Gates and Soros say. Or Biden, but he's not actually giving anyone orders, he's just a grade Z actor puppet reciting the lines.

Whether it was created in a lab, or simply harvested and kept in a lab then released on purpose doesn't matter. Same thing in the end. The original top researchers in India who blew the whistle claimed it was artificially made. They just worded it in a manner of plausible deniability for what they're implying:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

you posted a link to an article that has not been peer-reviewed, and has been withdrawn. It was also published in January...

 

[notimp]

Nobody cares about your Covid lies. Everyone and their mom knows it was released on purpose to try and fulfill a specific agenda.

Ah the good old, the entire world has to live with the thought that this was a strategic weapon of war, that we now have to live with for the next 10 years, while no one is investigating it, and while no one has delivered proof or the 'specific agenda', but its important that you think about it that way for the next 10 years, dont you see? - game.

You dont know how humans work, do you?

So even if the boogey man story would be true, what do you propose we do? Hate the chinese? Who suffer from it themselves? Send in the CIA to investigate in a foreign country? Have more TV shows 'Hate the chinese, funhour', so the public can exercise their demons? To feel better?

Thats the main fallacy of all conspiracy 'cults', we know something no one else does. Dont you see? Its huge! Its important! By knowing you are important! Tell your neighbors, youve read it on the interthewebs!

In the meantime NSA surveils the entire world, and no one cares.

 

[LumInvader]

Nobody cares about your Covid lies. Everyone and their mom knows it's an artificial, gain of function virus that was released on purpose to try and fulfill a specific agenda. The standard provide problem, wait for reaction, then unveil pre-packaged solution.

Only a complete moron would comply. Want to not get screwed over? Just do the 100% exact opposite of anything Bill Gates and Soros say. Or Biden, but he's not actually giving anyone orders, he's just a grade Z actor puppet reciting the lines.

https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/conspiracy-theory-addiction/

What is Conspiracy Theory Addiction? A conspiracy theory can be defined as the belief that a secret, but influential organization or individual is responsible for a circumstance or event. People often think that these beliefs are rare or sometimes absurd, but research shows they may be more common than we thought. A study found that about 50% of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theories come in all forms, but most theories involve political and social events. Some examples include the belief that certain celebrities are immortal vampires, and controversial topics such as the belief that a small group of people are planning to overthrow the government.

 

[wartutor]

How many masks? How much social distancing? vs. what amount exactly so we can measure impact? What you're attempting to argue is completely unscientific and makes absolutely no sense at all.

Yeah but your trying to argue a perfect case senario in which everything can be mesured in exact numbers and perfect patterns which cant be kept by biological creatures (aka humans) in an uncontrolled environment. You cant control nature when you do 9 times out of 10 you make it worse.

 

[notimp]

@LumInvader:

Conspiracy theories come in all forms, but most theories involve political and social events. Some examples include the belief that certain celebrities are immortal vampires, and controversial topics such as the belief that a small group of people are planning to overthrow the government.

Well, let me tell you, the head of the UN telling NGOs, they have to become their new vanguard, they have to influence their own governments in spreading their message and securing pledges as well as to influence legislation for climate neutrality 2050, funding for this has been secured - doesnt help.



But its a little different if you are on your own personal crusade to traumatize more people on the net using unproven theories supported by pretty much nothing, just to feel important.

As far as I know most conspiracy theories surrounding the origins of Covid19 bank on, that the story of how it originated in a population of wild bats isnt airtight, which it isnt. Now what?

Hate on the chinese for the next 10 years based on the rest of a theory you cobbled together in your mind?

Have everyone think about this every day for the rest of their lives? For "truths sake"! (Its someones truth, certainly... )

Or resign to the fact, that people at some point will not care at all, and telling them would have little purpose whatsoever? You arent even 'saving your own society' here, by 'disseminating' this truth. (Which strictly speaking isnt a factual truth, but hey, lets go with it for a while..) So all you are adding to is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Against a self protection mechanism in most humans, that would have them ignore such a story at all costs possible. Humans are very good at that stuff.

So whats the crusade for? So more people hate the chinese? Whats your best case scenario here in terms of outcome?

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

Conspiracy theories

Once again, endless spam doing nothing but parroting the television pretending the news isn't government propaganda and lies. But the lie is the natural tongue of leftist scum, so why would it suprise anyone?

Pretending CNN - or any of the six evil corporations that control the entire mass media are factual information sources - is equivalent to telling people the earth is flat. You are incapable of thought. You're a sheep that runs to the TV then runs back here and spams whatever you saw.

 

[notimp]

Uh, numberology!

Read my posting. I have the better angle on why what you are doing is entirely useless and in vain.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

 

[notimp]

You are just a better human being. You and your marketing accessory.

Basically, too good for this world.

Some day - people will thank you for it.

Have I gotten the sentiment right?

Point is, they wont.

You are basically crying, wolf, wolf! Well, radioactive super mutant werwolf! To be specific.. Think a little about it.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

Seeing as how the powers that be that controlled Hillary-puppet wanted a nuclear exchange with Russia (the Zionists are always trying to destroy Russia ever since they murdered Nikolai II for not allowing them to establish a 5th column to enslave the country), you better hope the less reckless, less stupid, and less genocidal Trump regime stays in for your own safety.

They want one world government and one world usury slavery system currency and will try to murder anyone who stands in the way and wants their own sovereignty. Even under Trump these organizations are still gearing up for biological warfare with Russia that would inevitably lead to M.A.D and the death of pretty much everyone:

 

[LumInvader]

Yeah but your trying to argue a perfect case senario in which everything can be mesured in exact numbers and perfect patterns which cant be kept by biological creatures (aka humans) in an uncontrolled environment. You cant control nature when you do 9 times out of 10 you make it worse.

You're shifting your argument. You originally argued that masks and social distancing weren't helping without any form of measurement to support that statement. That argument was completely baseless.

Now you're arguing against scientific method, which isn't dependent on perfect case scenarios, exact numbers, or perfect patterns to conclude that a hypothesis true or false. For example, to satisfy your perfect case scenario with exact numbers and perfect patterns, your argument requires that the entire world would need to be tested for Covid-19 to satisfy the example hypothesis that "75% of the human population is infected." This is patently false, as extrapolated samples can make the same argument while doing so with far fewer resources and in much less time and without the pin-point accuracy your argument requires. If there is a flaw in a peer reviewed study, it will usually come to light after further observation.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

More leftist spam trying to obfuscate what's actually going on. What's going on is you don't get to set the constitution on fire because you release an artifical cold virus on purpose.

 

[wartutor]

You're shifting your argument. You originally argued that masks and social distancing weren't helping without any form of measurement to support that statement. That argument was completely baseless.

Now you're arguing against scientific method, which isn't dependent on perfect case scenarios, exact numbers, or perfect patterns to conclude that a hypothesis true or false. For example, to satisfy your perfect case scenario with exact numbers and perfect patterns, your argument requires that the entire world would need to be tested for Covid-19 to satisfy the example hypothesis that "75% of the human population is infected." This is patently false, as extrapolated samples can make the same argument while doing so with far fewer resources and in much less time and without the pin-point accuracy your argument requires. If there is a flaw in a peer reviewed study, it will usually come to light after further observation.

I didnt argue they arnt helping i stated that even with everyone practicing social distancing and wearing masks it still spreads that it dont stop it and that is a fact based on the number of covid cases reported each clock tick

How many masks? How much social distancing? vs. what amount exactly so we can measure impact? What you're attempting to argue is completely unscientific and makes absolutely no sense at all.

Your the one that asked for exact numbers

 

[LumInvader]

More leftist spam trying to obfuscate what's actually going on. What's going on is you don't get to set the constitution on fire because you release an artifical cold virus on purpose.

Once again, endless spam doing nothing but parroting the television pretending the news isn't government propaganda and lies. But the lie is the natural tongue of leftist scum, so why would it suprise anyone?

Pretending CNN - or any of the six evil corporations that control the entire mass media are factual information sources - is equivalent to telling people the earth is flat. You are incapable of thought. You're a sheep that runs to the TV then runs back here and spams whatever you saw.

How many 4chan conspiracy theories has r0achtheunsavory proposed in this thread so far? 5? 10? 15? And he has the nerve to use flat earthers as an example of stupidity?!



Just another shining example of his inability to think critically.

 

[notimp]

More leftist spam trying to obfuscate what's actually going on. What's going on is you don't get to set the constitution on fire because you release an artifical cold virus on purpose.

World bigger than US constitution.

World 1.2 million Covid deaths, US 200k of those.

US constitution piece of sh*t. From todays perspective, comparing with other constitutions of countries that have been constituted a bit later.

US constitution doesnt even have a "right to vote" in it. Which is why every electoral year you have these voting registration suppression schemes going on. That are totally legal.

But only in the US.

It also didnt have the right to free speech in it, which is kind of necessary, and was patched in later.

Face it, with the words you are throwing around, you learned an explanation scheme of how the world works, thats based on 100 words or less. And for some reason this carried you to 'china is out for our constitution". Which is entirely false.

Learn what an economic war is first. Learn how the US having given out the worlds reserve currency underminded trade flows. Especially in certain ressource markets. Learn how the prerequisite to get USD credit has you dependant on being good with the US to get into certain markets. Learn how the Chinese government pressures low cashflow european states into accepting alipay, so they can exercise all of their business (and f.e. tourism spending) in their native currency, and what effects that has. Learn how much chinese companies are buying up US assets to diversify risk.

Learn what it means, that the US has lost the position as the worlds biggest economy.

CONSTITUTION! Isnt in there anywhere.

PEOPLE OPPRESSING THA TRUTH. Depends on really, really dumb folks believing in the existance of "one truth"TM exactly, and that they learned it from the internet board that addresses dimwhits to radicalize them.

You'll get it. Eventually. None of this is rocket science.

Just dont position yourself in the middle of the market square and shout "the chinese sent the Covid! everybody knows! It eats our constitution!"

You are manipulated based on pseudo religious meanings. Look, you even have your own book of gospels you pray to.

You can get it. Its not that hard.

Truth is, there is no simple truth out there, one could write down in a magazine, or book. That would be never changing, and easy to understand for people who hang out on image boards. Anything you attest as something "didacitively" - (it is so), in politics and social sciences are proclamations. To be refuted. By better proclamations.

So please, who told your aunt, who told you, why someone in Wuhan made the VIrus to destroy the US constitution?

You trust your aunt, do you?

 

[LumInvader]

I didnt argue they arnt helping i stated that even with everyone practicing social distancing and wearing masks it still spreads that it dont stop it and that is a fact based on the number of covid cases reported each clock tick

You stated that it's "from a virus you cant control." That was the centerpiece of your rebuttal to the image I posted. Even if we can't stop the spread entirely, studies have shown that social distancing does grant considerable control over the rate of spread.

Your the one that asked for exact numbers

I asked "how much." "How much" can be an exact number, but is usually an observed estimate. In order to assess whether social distancing is working or not absolutely requires one observed measurement to be compared to another. One can't just say, "well, people are socially distancing and wearing masks and it's still spreading, so obviously it's not working."

 

[notimp]

Here is why you arguably are so preoccupied with CONSTITUTION all day. Its a legal text, thats only to be changed by a 2/3 majority (super majority). So you are basically obsessed shouting all day "THE OTHER SIDE CANT GET 2/3s OF THE VOTE", "SACRILIEGE" with the jist being, that the other side kind of _never_ is getting 2/3s of the vote in the US system.

So you are establishing a truism for the ages. On which you are told, its very important that you keep safeguarding it, or the world will end. So you do - and what do you know, the other side doesnt get a 2/3s majority. Wow. So much... win, greatness, moxy?

Waste of time?

But at least you believe in something. And thats important, that you - believe...