[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[AkGBA]

Am I the only one fed up with r0achtheunsavory anti-semitism ?
Should conspiracy theories about jews, zionists, Soros, etc... be reported ?

 

[Hanafuda]

Am I the only one fed up with r0achtheunsavory anti-semitism ?
Should conspiracy theories about jews, zionists, Soros, etc... be reported ?

No of course youre not the only one, I dont like it either. But Soros is fair game as an individual, not because of who/what he is (ethnically), but because of what he does/where his money goes. (Unless the poster you're speaking of is tying that in with his anti-semitism. I just skip past his posts so I don't know, not gonna bother.)

 

[wartutor]

You stated that it's "from a virus you cant control." That was the centerpiece of your rebuttal to the image I posted. Even if we can't stop the spread entirely, studies have shown that social distancing does grant considerable control over the rate of spread.


I asked "how much." "How much" can be an exact number, but is usually an observed estimate. In order to assess whether social distancing is working or not absolutely requires one observed measurement to be compared to another. One can't just say, "well, people are socially distancing and wearing masks and it's still spreading, so obviously it's not working."

And i said 200k plus in one day which is an estimate. U can look at their exact numbers but thats only out of the ones tested so that number is probably close to 300k or more and thats all after social distancing and wearing masks. Highest jump in numbers to date but hey its just numbers lol. I just said that cause of ur pic with all the coffins. I find it funny people blame trump for it when u can see plain as day the virus is goin to do what ever it does.

Am I the only one fed up with r0achtheunsavory anti-semitism ?
Should conspiracy theories about jews, zionists, Soros, etc... be reported ?

Yeah i just skip over most of his ramblings. I dont know if he is trolling or what but noones that damn stupid...

 

[Kurt91]

On a different note, I've had a question on my mind over the last few days, and figured I'd ask. This is all strictly hypothetical in wanting to know what the procedure would be given the circumstances, don't take this as taking a stance on the issue or anything. I only use Biden for my question because he's the candidate who is not currently President. I'm pretty sure that were the positions reversed, it's just the usual "Vice President replaces President" situation. Anyways...

Let's say that Biden is found to have done something incredibly illegal and is arrested. I'm fairly certain that a criminal in prison is not eligible to run for President. However, early mail-in ballots have already been sent in. What would the procedure be regarding those votes as well as who officially is running for President at that point?

If Biden is no longer eligible to run, does Harris get "promoted" to Democratic candidate in the same way that she would have been promoted from Vice President if anything had happened to Biden after becoming President? Or would the person who originally got second place regarding who was to become the Democratic candidate become the acting candidate running for President? I'm sure that it can't just be something like "There's no opponent, so Trump wins by default" in such a situation.

What happens to the mail-in ballots that have already been filled out and sent in? They voted for Biden specifically, so do they just get counted as just generic Democrat votes and go towards whoever is the new candidate? They might not even like the new candidate enough to want to vote for them, so do they re-cast their votes towards their preference between Trump or the new candidate? We're kind of already down to the wire as far as the deadline goes for voting. How do we determine which people need to re-cast their votes so we don't have people getting to vote twice? Do we extend the deadline, or delay the election so that the new Democratic candidate gets to campaign or debate, or something?

 

[gregory-samba]

So all that social distancing, mask wearing and shut downs really helped get rid of the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus. I'm still not sure why something with a 99.8% survival rate is even any issue any longer, but if this was an actually really deadly pandemic we all would have drastically failed and most of us would be dead.

The good news is with more testing and more infections we're learning that most people who get the Chinese Wuhan Corona virus don't even show symptoms and the few that do will most likely recover. Then out of the small minority that do get ill even a smaller minority are hospitalized and then out of that smaller minority only a handful of already really sick or old people die. So it's not really a big deal and is totally comparable to the flu.

The thing I don't understand is why people are still suggesting we shut down again when there's much more deadly things in our lives like obesity, drugs and car accidents that we simply ignore or find acceptable. We don't shut down because of those factors nor do we shut down when hundreds of thousands die from the yearly flu. It does seem it's all about making the Trump administration look bad and to gain more control over the populous. It's just a good thing I've ignored all of the mandates thus far and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

On a different note, I've had a question on my mind over the last few days, and figured I'd ask. This is all strictly hypothetical in wanting to know what the procedure would be given the circumstances, don't take this as taking a stance on the issue or anything. I only use Biden for my question because he's the candidate who is not currently President. I'm pretty sure that were the positions reversed, it's just the usual "Vice President replaces President" situation. Anyways...

Let's say that Biden is found to have done something incredibly illegal and is arrested. I'm fairly certain that a criminal in prison is not eligible to run for President. However, early mail-in ballots have already been sent in. What would the procedure be regarding those votes as well as who officially is running for President at that point?

If Biden is no longer eligible to run, does Harris get "promoted" to Democratic candidate in the same way that she would have been promoted from Vice President if anything had happened to Biden after becoming President? Or would the person who originally got second place regarding who was to become the Democratic candidate become the acting candidate running for President? I'm sure that it can't just be something like "There's no opponent, so Trump wins by default" in such a situation.

What happens to the mail-in ballots that have already been filled out and sent in? They voted for Biden specifically, so do they just get counted as just generic Democrat votes and go towards whoever is the new candidate? They might not even like the new candidate enough to want to vote for them, so do they re-cast their votes towards their preference between Trump or the new candidate? We're kind of already down to the wire as far as the deadline goes for voting. How do we determine which people need to re-cast their votes so we don't have people getting to vote twice? Do we extend the deadline, or delay the election so that the new Democratic candidate gets to campaign or debate, or something?

I'm not sure how to answer your question, but Biden is is the same position that Trump is in - that is being untouchable and not having to answer to anyone about his actions. Top political figures in the USA basically get untalked about immunity to most of the normal stuff normal people would get put in prison for. There's a reason most of the citizens of the USA call politicians crooked fucks, it's because they are.

 

[Lacius]

So all that social distancing, mask wearing and shut downs really helped get rid of the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus. I'm still not sure why something with a 99.8% survival rate is even any issue any longer, but if this was an actually really deadly pandemic we all would have drastically failed and most of us would be dead.

The good news is with more testing and more infections we're learning that most people who get the Chinese Wuhan Corona virus don't even show symptoms and the few that do will most likely recover. Then out of the small minority that do get ill even a smaller minority are hospitalized and then out of that smaller minority only a handful of already really sick or old people die. So it's not really a big deal and is totally comparable to the flu.

The thing I don't understand is why people are still suggesting we shut down again when there's much more deadly things in our lives like obesity, drugs and car accidents that we simply ignore or find acceptable. We don't shut down because of those factors nor do we shut down when hundreds of thousands die from the yearly flu. It does seem it's all about making the Trump administration look bad and to gain more control over the populous. It's just a good thing I've ignored all of the mandates thus far and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.



I'm not sure how to answer your question, but Biden is is the same position that Trump is in - that is being untouchable and not having to answer to anyone about his actions. Top political figures in the USA basically get untalked about immunity to most of the normal stuff normal people would get put in prison for. There's a reason most of the citizens of the USA call politicians crooked fucks, it's because they are.

COVID-19 is killing about 1,000 Americans a day right now, and rising.

 

[crimpshrine]

Joe can't even fantasize about hurting our president without screwing it up.

Look at that tremor or shake at the end. Maybe it's not dementia but Parkinson's.

 

[FAST6191]

On a different note, I've had a question on my mind over the last few days, and figured I'd ask. This is all strictly hypothetical in wanting to know what the procedure would be given the circumstances, don't take this as taking a stance on the issue or anything. I only use Biden for my question because he's the candidate who is not currently President. I'm pretty sure that were the positions reversed, it's just the usual "Vice President replaces President" situation. Anyways...

Let's say that Biden is found to have done something incredibly illegal and is arrested. I'm fairly certain that a criminal in prison is not eligible to run for President. However, early mail-in ballots have already been sent in. What would the procedure be regarding those votes as well as who officially is running for President at that point?

If Biden is no longer eligible to run, does Harris get "promoted" to Democratic candidate in the same way that she would have been promoted from Vice President if anything had happened to Biden after becoming President? Or would the person who originally got second place regarding who was to become the Democratic candidate become the acting candidate running for President? I'm sure that it can't just be something like "There's no opponent, so Trump wins by default" in such a situation.

What happens to the mail-in ballots that have already been filled out and sent in? They voted for Biden specifically, so do they just get counted as just generic Democrat votes and go towards whoever is the new candidate? They might not even like the new candidate enough to want to vote for them, so do they re-cast their votes towards their preference between Trump or the new candidate? We're kind of already down to the wire as far as the deadline goes for voting. How do we determine which people need to re-cast their votes so we don't have people getting to vote twice? Do we extend the deadline, or delay the election so that the new Democratic candidate gets to campaign or debate, or something?

First arrested =/= convicted. Innocent unless/until proven guilty and all that. Unless they were arrested (as mentioned extremely unlikely) and pled guilty immediately (why anybody with that kind of money, pool of lawyers and political clout would do such a thing I don't know, would presumably have to be a "you know you are done and your dynasty is over unless you fall on your sword" type deal) the timeframes at this point would be very odd and potentially then running a criminal/federal case against a sitting president which is all kinds of difficult (see also the impeachment lark last time around as a lot of legal discussion was had there).
There was some discussion of what goes if one died or was incapacitated (both being of the age and health condition that keeling over tomorrow is far from the strangest thing to happen in the world) a few weeks back. In those cases yeah switched to VP pick, even those that already went. Some kind of do over/new election would be a nightmare, and likely trouble the constitution. I don't see why you would get a second kick at the cat though -- generally by voting for one it is seen as a tacit endorsement of their second in command.

It is however fairly uncharted territory. There have been some that died soon after taking office but on the campaign trail has not happened yet.

 

[omgcat]

holy shit, the number of republican senators running from their debates is crazy.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34532783/republicans-afraid-to-debate-senate-races/

also good job with the voter turnout in Texas! 107% of 2016's total turnout before election day. Montana is following at 95+%.

 

[crimpshrine]

Joe Biden: “Barack and I think it’s a right for people to have badakathcare.” pic.twitter.com/UqWELjSAMN

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) October 31, 2020

badakathcare LOL

 

[PiracyForTheMasses]

holy shit, the number of republican senators running from their debates is crazy.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34532783/republicans-afraid-to-debate-senate-races/

also good job with the voter turnout in Texas! 107% of 2016's total turnout before election day. Montana is following at 95+%.

HOLY SHIT, Esquire is NOT a credible source for any type of news. Go over to their news and politics section, what's that? Nothing but hate for Donald Trump. Any news on anything to do with the democrat party? Not at all. Nothing about the Biden laptop. Nothing about Bobulinski. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about the oil industry etc. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about things he has said & done in the past. It is nothing more than a bias political democrat agenda pushing website. If you want to be taken serious I would suggest not referring to that website.

 

[crimpshrine]

Imagine how it would have been if we actually had media that asked real questions of Joe and held him to the same standards as others. He probably would have broken down by now.

Joe Biden tells voters “I don’t need you to get me elected.” pic.twitter.com/kMTqiIx2B4

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) October 31, 2020

 

[Lacius]

HOLY SHIT, Esquire is NOT a credible source for any type of news. Go over to their news and politics section, what's that? Nothing but hate for Donald Trump. Any news on anything to do with the democrat party? Not at all. Nothing about the Biden laptop. Nothing about Bobulinski. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about the oil industry etc. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about things he has said & done in the past. It is nothing more than a bias political democrat agenda pushing website. If you want to be taken serious I would suggest not referring to that website.

Regardless of how you feel about the website, the news is correct. After some Republicans performed quite poorly at their debates, they've been running away from debates like crazy. The Republican Party is becoming a post-policy party, so I'm not surprised.

 

[omgcat]

HOLY SHIT, Esquire is NOT a credible source for any type of news. Go over to their news and politics section, what's that? Nothing but hate for Donald Trump. Any news on anything to do with the democrat party? Not at all. Nothing about the Biden laptop. Nothing about Bobulinski. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about the oil industry etc. Nothing about Biden straight up lying to the American people about things he has said & done in the past. It is nothing more than a bias political democrat agenda pushing website. If you want to be taken serious I would suggest not referring to that website.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/21/senate-debates-campaign-final-stretch-431018 here ya go buddy, didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

 

[Hanafuda]

COVID-19 is killing about 1,000 Americans a day right now, and rising.

Where are you getting that? I'm looking at CDC here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

And I'm seeing for the "covid-related" (which is bullshit, but anyway) these numbers:

Week of
Sept 26 3782
Oct 3 3519
Oct 10 3635
Oct 17 2841
Oct 24 1119

More recent weeks are 'provisional' and the end total will probably be a little higher, but still it's looking like a 3500-3600 average recently. And that's twice what you're claiming.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

 

[notimp]

Nobody who said this was called a conspiracy theorist by THA MEDIA, as far as I know.

"Dangerous conspiracy theorists" never said, you will need a malaria shot, in order to travel to certain parts of africa - because at least in europe, you needed that for years. As a prerequisite. To travel. Internationally.

Its called "eradicate malaria" by making sure, you dont bring it back with you, when you return.

OMG! SOMTHING IS COMING, THATS ALREADY A THING FOR YEARS! BUT IDIOTS HAVENT HEARD OF!

In further news. The earth is round, and the sun tomorrow will rise in the east. You must be so impressed.

Draw a pyramid on it, shout conspiracy. Forget, that what 80% of US people never leave their own country?

edit: Its 64% not 80%:
https://matadornetwork.com/life/64-americans-never-left-u-s/


ALSO BEWARE OF THE FLIPPING MINDTARDS, THAT HAVE TO POST PROPAGANDA MEMES, AND DONT COMMENT THEM AT ALL, SO YOU KNOW THEIR ONLY INTEREST IS TO SPREAD THAT SHIT AROUND.

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Where are you getting that? I'm looking at CDC here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

And I'm seeing for the "covid-related" (which is bullshit, but anyway) these numbers:

Week of
Sept 26 3782
Oct 3 3519
Oct 10 3635
Oct 17 2841
Oct 24 1119

More recent weeks are 'provisional' and the end total will probably be a little higher, but still it's looking like a 3500-3600 average recently. And that's twice what you're claiming.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

They should list their sources somewhere on the website.

What you say isnt necessarily that conflicting, because the pattern shows, that on some days of the week they dont turn off life support. (Seemingly. Never looked into that.)

 

[Coto]

I feel I needed to write this down. Do not make the same mistake Chileans did a week ago. Your life depends on it.

Chile as of 25th October 2020 is a SOCIALIST country, the new constitution agreed and signed by 80% of ignorant Chileans made the citizen sovereignty to cease to exist. We lost our liberty and freedom. ONU (United Nations, Human Rights Watch) + Sao Paulo Forum have the Chilean sovereignty now. There are ways to take them back, but let me tell you how it happened:

Antifa was created in Chile. ONU's Latin American guests including Sebastian Piñera (Chilean President), Michelle Bachelet (ex-Chilean President), Jorge Abbott - Mario Desbordes (The Government of National Defense, with ability to write any law through a Constituent Party), hijacked the older, libertarian constitution and escalated rights to write a new one, added the Chilean stupidity). The last group of people belonged to MIR / FPMR (Frente Patriótico Manuel Rodríguez). UN socialist take over model emerged from terrorism (as you can see in Chile's tanketazo, several republican US and Chileans murdered by such armed group). That group has been renamed and split into several micro socialist communist guerrillas. Coordinadora Arauco Malleco, Frente Amplio, (of which family members of the Chilean Human Rights Watch founders are acting as leaders). Added the Sao Paulo Forum party which takes G2, castro chavist guerrillas, and on top of that enforced by UN.

These guerrillas push social issues further into removing the current socio-political model (socialism), until the current socio-political model is destroyed. Then communism takes over and rewrites rules (through a new constitution and / or by force. This is how things have had happened in Argentina, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Chile, Perú (in progress), Bolivia. The entire Latin America has been taken over now, through terrorist Sao Paulo Forum terrorists (like Antifa, but armed and agreed to work silently under the socialist government).

We military are ready when the war starts here in Chile. USA's constitution is at risk right now. Like I said earlier,

Chile's https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanquetazo made Chile to have a constitution and sovereignty entirely for us citizens.
It was thanks to USA neo capitalist / socialist but with sovereignty tied to their citizens model, where I could develop things and participate in great stuff related to Chile's growth...
development has its roots deeply tied with values and freedom, otherwise there is no development and everything begins to wither.... as you can see in Venezuela, Cuba, China. Rusia due to political issues may not talk about it openly, but they are somewhat getting the same understanding now (at least their citizens), and I can relate to that.

If Biden wins, the last stand in liberty and freedom in the entire world will cease to exist. Since i'm from the Chilean military, ONU has disarmed military, has disarmed our greatly appreciated Carabineros (they are dying everyday, and if they defend themselves the political socialist parties take them over 10+ years in prison), and they are building a communist, popular police (Policía de Investigaciones), of which already has escalated rights to act as military, but they are (about 50%) corrupt and socialist.

So go and support Trump, or your country will be destroyed. I need not to justify anything. I'm stating what happened in my country and how USA was able to help us. And USA needs the same support from their citizens. I hope your understand.

Thank you for your time.

 

[notimp]

I feel I needed to write this down. Do not make the same mistake Chileans did a week ago. Your life depends on it.

Chile as of 25th October 2020 is a SOCIALIST country, the new constitution agreed and signed by 80% of ignorant Chileans made the citizen sovereignty to cease to exist. We lost our liberty and freedom. ONU (United Nations, Human Rights Watch) + Sao Paulo Forum have the Chilean sovereignty now. There are ways to take them back, but let me tell you how it happened:

Antifa was created in Chile. ONU's Latin American guests including Sebastian Piñera (Chilean President), Michelle Bachelet (ex-Chilean President), Jorge Abbott - Mario Desbordes (The Government of National Defense, with ability to write any law through a Constituent Party), hijacked the older, libertarian constitution and escalated rights to write a new one, added the Chilean stupidity).

These guerrillas push social issues further into removing the current socio-political model (socialism), until the current socio-political model is destroyed. Then communism takes over and rewrites rules (through a new constitution and / or by force. This is how things have had happened in Argentina, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Chile, Perú (in progress), Bolivia. The entire Latin America has been taken over now, through terrorist Sao Paulo Forum terrorists (like Antifa, but armed and agreed to work silently under the socialist government).

We military are ready when the war starts here in Chile. USA's constitution is at risk right now. Like I said earlier,

Chile's https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanquetazo made Chile to have a constitution and sovereignty entirely for us citizens.
It was thanks to USA neo capitalist model, where I could develop things and participate in great stuff related to Chile's growth...
development has its roots deeply tied with values and freedom, otherwise there is no development and everything begins to wither.... as you can see in Venezuela, Cuba, China. Rusia due to political issues may not talk about it openly, but they are somewhat getting the same understanding now (at least their citizens), and I can relate to that.

If Biden wins, the last stand in liberty and freedom in the entire world will cease to exist. Since i'm from the Chilean military, ONU has disarmed military, has disarmed our greatly appreciated Carabineros (they are dying everyday, and if they defend themselves the political socialist parties take them over 10+ years in prison), and they are building a communist, popular police (Policía de Investigaciones), of which already has escalated rights to act as military, but they are (about 50%) corrupt and socialist.

So go and support Trump, or your country will be destroyed. I need not to justify anything. I'm stating what happened in my country and how USA was able to help us. And USA needs the same support from their citizens. I hope your understand.

Thank you for your time.

Chile has voted overwhelmingly in favor of rewriting the country’s constitution to replace guiding principles imposed four decades ago under the military dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet.

Jubilant pro-reform supporters took to the streets of the capital Santiago and other cities to celebrate on Sunday night after exit polls showed that 78.24% of people had voted to approve a rewrite, while 21.76% rejected the change.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/26/chile-vote-scrap-pinochet-constitution

This is one of the rare times, when you actually get a 2/3 majority to change the constitution.

So now previous benefactors of a military dictatorship are like "the dumb peasants messed this up". Why military dictatorship?

Because US foreign policy in the region favored corrupt elite leadership enriching themselves and oppressing the poor, so "less risk of socialism" developing in their backyard.

Also less risk of economic competition developing in their backyard.

Also - very good to exploit natural ressources cheaply, because you dont actually have to pay their market value. You just have to pay off the rich leader class. In a military dictatorship.

edit: Here more detail from the european perspective:
https://www.dw.com/en/chile-votes-t...stitution-early-referendum-results/a-55394621


edit:

Center-right President Sebastian Pinera pledged the referendum in a bid to quell mass protests that broke out in 2019 against the country's neoliberal economic policies.

Ah, it was a 'please stop revolting' PR measure.

So government messed up, then tried to wrangle back the public sentiment, by giving them something, anything, but the governments head.

vs.

Guy above telling you "Antifa was created, and then..:"

The country moved from dictatorship to democracy in 1990, and decades of economic growth and democracy followed, with one government peacefully replacing another.

But that growth did not reach all Chileans.

Inequality is still deeply entrenched. Chile’s middle class is struggling with high prices, low wages, and a privatized retirement system that leaves many older people in bitter poverty. And a series of corruption and tax-evasion scandals have eroded faith in the country’s political and corporate elite.

src: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/americas/chile-protests.html

Gini Index says they have become more equal, but slowly.
https://tradingeconomics.com/chile/gini-index-wb-data.html

edit: Gini index, country ranking: https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

• “It’s not 30 pesos, it’s 30 years.” Our columnist went to Santiago, the Chilean capital, to understand how a small hike in public transportation fares ignited mass protests.
  
  
• After weeks of demonstrations, Chile’s president said he would support a new Constitution. But for many, it was too little, too late.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/podcasts/the-daily/chile-protests.html

Poverty levels have dropped dramatically in the country over the last 20 years, but it remains one of the most unequal nations in the world. Many blame a system that has part-privatised services and utilities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54643589

Ah, privatising services and utilities, and then raising prices - until the public revolts. Always a good choice.