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For whom will/would you vote?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2020.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    33.1%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    52.6%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.5%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    7.9%
  6. 646 voter(s)
  1. Deleted User

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    Wow... the joke writes itself.
    Well, glad to know you're a fascist. I don't think I'll be discussing anymore with you any time soon, since trying to reason with a fascist is out the window and far out of my expertise.
     
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  2. AkGBA

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    Hahahahahahahaha. Biden, a socialist.
    Nice one.
     
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  5. notimp

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    You ignored the actual answer, and actively chose to lampoon the answer what you claim is wrong, but isnt.

    You are an instigator. For no reason. Just to create conflict.

    You probably also actively chose to confront with weekly numbers, where you knew that deaths on two days of the week were well below 1000 but on other days of the week they were above 1000.

    Then you ridiculed a person over the weekly average not being 1000 deaths - yet. A measure you introduced. And that pretty much no one uses. (Or how often have you heard in the news what the weekly average of death numbers is?).

    Also you actively ignored 'exponential nature', by suggesting that death 'never could be that high', which already is false. And winter is only beginning.

    You actively produced confusion, to hide the actual facts.
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    Befiore you did that - you were actually somewhat in the right, because weekly averages are slightly below 1000. But that doesnt mean what you then claimed it means.

    (It could never be that high, Atalntic probably made up those values, .... - all those are lies.)
     
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    What? How does any of that apply to me?




    I made a thing.
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    Ignore him - he is trying to create personal bickering to not have people read, how completely he fed them with bull'shit propaganda. Ignore it, if possible, and let it stand for itself.
     
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    I didn't make any claims at all. I just choose to go with CDC statistics, not "The Atlantic." Any "news source" that would publish the flagrant bullshit that rag does on claims of anonymous sources is not one I will rely on. But you can if you like.
     
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    The numbers are correct. It's public reporting by the states.
     
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    Claims were implicit. ;) Not explicit. You were right. Average daily death rates arent at 1000 yet. But but individual days are close to that, sometimes even exceeding that. So its not outrageous to bring it as a news item (especially not looking at growth trends).

    So I was with you when you were right.

    But I stopped being with you, when you used it to lampoon the Atlantic over which sources they use. :) The numbers arent that different to be called into question (as 'entirely made up').
     
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    It was the so dreaded millenial brainwash (post 1990). The Chileans (and Europe) have no idea how many decades took Chile to have as little as 5% of Unemployment Rate. (2015)

    https://tradingeconomics.com/chile/unemployment-rate

    Please set the slide to [MAX]. What you are seeing before 1990 was the socialist retaliation when moving forwards a neo capitalist socio economic model. You can see the unemployment rate was of 13.50%


    The "military dictatorship" in Chile only arranged constitutional laws to move away from socialism (poverty and misery) and it would end in 1990. Chile was then handed over to their social democrat (democRats) government. The chilean communists were humilliated because Chile was the only country where communism failed, and it'd be pointed by everybody. Because of that, the communists here said something like "next time, our revenge won't be through bullets but by voting".

    Also You should look what happened to Chile prior to 1973. You'll see Chile was deemed to be a socialist country, and not "the backyard of USA". It was the misery all socialists tend to skip "for some unknown reason".
     
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    I got that you made progress in terms of getting a more equal distribution of income. A revolt under those circumstances isnt all that usual.

    But then privatizing utilities, and raising prices up to the point where the public rebells, isnt from the 'free societies rulebook' either. So if thats what conjured up the revolt - some folks are to blame that arent the left. And even less likely ANTIFA, who noone really likes. (Too edgy.)(Except when you have a problem with far right populism.)

    The idea that 'a leftist movement just seduced 2/3 of the society' is also not flipping likely, because the left basically everywhere else in the world is facing an existential crisis, Maybe everyone just believed in facebook memes this time around, who knows. ;) (I'm not intimately familiar with the developments in your country.)

    But getting 2/3s of the public against a standing government is no small feat - so regardless of how you frame it, something had to happen at such an infliction point.

    This is more than, 'Antifa just took over, and PRed me country'.
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    On the point that socialism means poverty and misery - only if you have the US (or an other big power) antagonizing your development. (Massive sanctions, currency wars, ...) Otherwise, 'socialism' combined with free market principles has been successful in getting countries out of poverty, and setting up necessary checks and ballances. (edit: Often, not always.)

    You can think about it this way. The reflex after such a leftwing uprising, is often increased investments in public education, social security (pensions), and healthcare. So you can ask yourself if this is a way for your country to profit, at the current point in time, or if this would result in everyone 'becoming poorer again' as you hinted at. It depends what you make of it. So do you have investments 'pending' where a higher level of education would actually accelerate growth? Are you sufficiently independent from outside interests, that you would be able to strike deals that would leave you with more structural income in return for ressources?

    If yes, a left shift isnt the worst.

    And to be honest, a 2/3 vote against the reigning government, is very unlikely to be caused by 'just PR'. (You usually need a bunch of people facing a hunger crisis to get those kind of numbers against a standing government...)

    On the positive side, hey - maybe you become more independent, more just, less corrupt... Who knows. :) At least there is the public enthusiasm to try once more. .)


    edit: Slight correction, democratic socialism, with free market capitalism still in place (reigned in, but still als you main economic system). I dont mean 'state managed economy' socialism.
     
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  13. gregory-samba

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    That's a total buzz kill man. We do have idiots in this country that desire we throw out our individual rights too. They're called liberals and they're stupid as fuck for wanting to do so. Sorry to hear about your Military position and the eventual fate of your country. I'd move if I were you.
     
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    Name-calling doesn't help your case. Nobody wants to take your rights away. You're thinking of conservatives' war against women's rights, LGBT rights, etc.
     
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    It's fucking bizarre is what it is. I mean, why?!? Someone living a fantasy? I just thought it was amusing and very fucked up. Not alleging any conspiracies, though I would like to know just what the hell is going on there.
     
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    Democrats value deception so I wouldn't put it past them to fake a candidate to get votes.
     
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