I'm willing to bet that theflow would've found an easy and safe downgrading method if not for rasputin pissing him off. believe me, I know, my friend, I got into an argument with rasputin many years ago (met him on usenet before the ps3 scene), and he added "butthurt" to my ps3 tutorials after banning me. he's hated by a lot by devs (banned deank on the same site for pretty much the same thing he doesn't like theflow for). he believes devs should donate their time for no benefit of their own and should not take credit for anything. I'm surprised anyone puts up with that shit as rasputin's site was mentioned when the ps4 downgrading method was found. it said, "add this to your site" or something to that effect. having been close to the inner circle of the ps3 scene, I gotta say the playstation scenes are the most fucked up scenes I've ever seen. it's like children.