Someone clearly left the faucet on, because we've got even more leaks. Yesterday's "Gigaleak", which contained in-development betas and source codes for Super Nintendo games has been added upon in a "Gigaleak II". Supposedly, a new file being distributed contains source codes for Nintendo 64 titles, including Super Mario 64, a corrupted version of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Animal Forest, and much more, which is yet to be fully discovered.

A direct source/download link to the contents of this leak cannot be shared, as they are warez.

 

[FanofFans]

Alright whatever. But I think we should all recognize the reality, it's a portable hybrid, and one of the two available models is strictly portable. Nintendo isn't trying to pull a fast one on anyone to convince them that the device is strictly a console. But if you do view it that way... well Ok I guess, but that's clearly not correct.

Clearly it all comes down to perception. I would argue that the original switch, it could go either way. If someone uses theirs primarily as a handheld, then to them, it's likely a handheld. If another person uses theirs in docked mode primarily, they probably see it as a console. This isn't something that's set in stone, and one thing or the other. The lite is clearly a handheld, of course, (but even then I've known people to call handheld systems, "consoles", as it's their tool that they play with. Definitions vary, even though I wouldn't consider the 3DS, for example, a console, and I think most of us would refer to it as a handheld - but that nuanced example aside) I think that especially when it comes to something as abstract as something that can be docked and undocked, I think objectively, there's no one correct answer or the other. It's all about perception, how you play it, etc. And for you to say that one is "clearly not correct" for a device that can be docked and undocked, that shows more about your arrogance and immaturity than it does of your intelligence.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Clearly it all comes down to perception. I would argue that the original switch, it could go either way. If someone uses theirs primarily as a handheld, then to them, it's likely a handheld. If another person uses theirs in docked mode primarily, they probably see it as a console. This isn't something that's set in stone, and one thing or the other. The lite is clearly a handheld, of course, (but even then I've known people to call handheld systems, "consoles", as it's their tool that they play with. Definitions vary, even though I wouldn't consider the 3DS, for example, a console, and I think most of us would refer to it as a handheld - but that nuanced example aside) I think that especially when it comes to something as abstract as something that can be docked and undocked, I think objectively, there's no one correct answer or the other. It's all about perception, how you play it, etc. And for you to say that one is "clearly not correct" for a device that can be docked and undocked, that shows more about your arrogance and immaturity than it does of your intelligence.

You can perceive it as a console, not saying you can't. But I just don't understand the logic of that original post claiming that Nintendo is trying to trick gamers into thinking the device is strictly a console. Simple as that.

 

[Joom]

For the record, this argument is dumb. Handhelds are consoles.

 

[MikaDubbz]

For the record, this argument is dumb. Handhelds are consoles.

Then that still makes the quote that brought this debate further all the dumber: "that will teach them to try and pass off a handheld as a console." By your very point, there is nothing that Nintendo would be trying to pass off at all as if we agree with your reasoning, a handheld is undeniably a console and not something trying to sneakily be passed off as something that it isn't.

 

[64bitmodels]

 

[Joom]

Then that still makes the quote that brought this debate further all the dumber: "that will teach them to try and pass off a handheld as a console." By your very point, there is nothing that Nintendo would be trying to pass off at all as if we agree with your reasoning, a handheld is undeniably a console and not something trying to sneakily be passed off as something that it isn't.

Exactly my point, heh. The problem with this site is that it's full of people who aren't even good at hating things.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Exactly my point, heh. The problem with this site is that it's full of people who aren't even good at hating things.

Yeah, I genuinely just don't get how anyone would feel like Nintendo has duped them with what the Switch is. The nature of the system is very clear, my freaking 60 year old parents that never touch video games themselves get that the Switch is a portable device that can quickly be thrown on the big screen.

 

[Rail Fighter]

I hope Nintendo does two platforms next time.

 

[64bitmodels]

Exactly my point, heh. The problem with this site is that it's full of people who aren't even good at hating things.

plz sharpen my hating skills

 

[MikaDubbz]

I hope Nintendo does two platforms next time.

Nah, i like this timeline best where all games that would have been developed for 2 separate Nintendo systems are now on the same system.

 

[Rail Fighter]

Nah, i like this timeline best where all games that would have been developed for 2 separate Nintendo systems are now on the same system.

That actually happened in practice?

 

[MikaDubbz]

That actually happened in practice?

Well we had been receiving games like mainline Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Rune Factory games strictly on Nintendo's handhelds in recent years, while the large-scale mainline Zelda titles were strictly on Nintendo's home consoles in the past. Now all of that stuff (and so much more) are now on the same device. So yeah, I'd say that's actually happening in practice now.

 

[Goku1992A]

I forgot to mention this

How benefical are these "leaks" I thought we already have good up and running emulators for the N64. Android N64 emulator works amazing and so does PC. I honestly don't think this is really going to help make native ports because I doubt devs are going to be messing with legal code and etc risking a lawsuit. I also thought we already have N64 on retroarch it runs fairly decent so am I missing something here?

Also for the argument above yes if the switch was my only device I would feel duped too. The best thing I can say is just don't complain too much and just pirate all the games you can.

 

[GotKrypto]

I feel this could increase our odds of getting virtualconsole

 

[Rail Fighter]

Well we had been receiving games like mainline Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Rune Factory games strictly on Nintendo's handhelds in recent years, while the large-scale mainline Zelda titles were strictly on Nintendo's home consoles in the past. Now all of that stuff (and so much more) are now on the same device. So yeah, I'd say that's actually happening in practice now.

We can say there's 3 Zelda games for the Switch, one of them being a remake.

GCN+GBA: 5 Zeldas
Wii+DS: 4 Zeldas
Wii U+3DS: 7 Zeldas, if we count the remakes and Hyrule Warriors.

I don't see the advantage. Even them, there's no Donkey Kong, no Metroid, no F-Zero, no Star Fox, no Mario Kart, no Pikmin, etc. I don't care about ports, and maybe there will be a Metroid, while older platforms had a ton of those.

 

[ZachyCatGames]

I forgot to mention this

How benefical are these "leaks" I thought we already have good up and running emulators for the N64. Android N64 emulator works amazing and so does PC. I honestly don't think this is really going to help make native ports because I doubt devs are going to be messing with legal code and etc risking a lawsuit. I also thought we already have N64 on retroarch it runs fairly decent so am I missing something here?

Also for the argument above yes if the switch was my only device I would feel duped too. The best thing I can say is just don't complain too much and just pirate all the games you can.

All these leaks aren't very beneficial, I'd actually say they cause far more harm than good.

 

[MikaDubbz]

We can say there's 3 Zelda games for the Switch, one of them being a remake.

GCN+GBA: 5 Zeldas
Wii+DS: 4 Zeldas
Wii U+3DS: 7 Zeldas, if we count the remakes and Hyrule Warriors.

I don't see the advantage. Even them, there's no Donkey Kong, no Metroid, no F-Zero, no Star Fox, no Mario Kart, no Pikmin, etc. I don't care about ports, and maybe there will be a Metroid, while older platforms had a ton of those.

It's not about the number of games, its about the games that we are receiving. No Nintendo handheld would ever receive a Zelda on the scale of Breath of the Wild, likewise, no home console Nintendo system was on track to receive a mainline Pokemon game. Fire Emblem had become exclusively a handheld only series with the 3DS. And the examples go on and on. The square team behind Octopath and the Bravely series were only releasing titles on Nintendo handhelds, I mean I could go on and on, but really it's pretty evident: with only one Nintendo system now, any game that was to be released on the likes of the 3DS are now going to the Switch, just as any game that was to be released on the likes of the Wii U is now going to the Switch (if those 2 separate devices were still what was happening), really not sure how you could argue otherwise.

 

[FanofFans]

For the record, this argument is dumb. Handhelds are consoles.

This is the point that I was making with the handheld thing in my paragraph. It's literally all about perception, and what you define as what. It's not as black-and-white as saying, "Hey that's a guitar, not a piano". This has far more flexibility to how it can be perceived

Then that still makes the quote that brought this debate further all the dumber: "that will teach them to try and pass off a handheld as a console." By your very point, there is nothing that Nintendo would be trying to pass off at all as if we agree with your reasoning, a handheld is undeniably a console and not something trying to sneakily be passed off as something that it isn't.

With this, then what makes it a handheld over a console in the sense that you're referring to? Is it the power gap between it and things such as the xbox one or ps4? Or is it just the fact that it can be used in the palm of your hands, and on the big screen TV? Because if it's the latter (which is the only real argument behind your point), then it really is only up to semantics, with no real absolute. It's not one or the other. Some see it as a console which can be taken with them for portability, others see it as a handheld which can be used on the big screen, There's literally no real answer to this, and it's literally all about each individual's view on it. And the fact that you're trying to argue that this is black-and-white (unlike the example in the other quote above) is borderline ridiculous. It literally is not either or; it's all based on each user's perception.
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[MikaDubbz]

With this, then what makes it a handheld over a console in the sense that you're referring to? Is it the power gap between it and things such as the xbox one or ps4? Or is it just the fact that it can be used in the palm of your hands, and on the big screen TV? Because if it's the latter (which is the only real argument behind your point), then it really is only up to semantics, with no real absolute. It's not one or the other. Some see it as a console which can be taken with them for portability, others see it as a handheld which can be used on the big screen, There's literally no real answer to this, and it's literally all about each individual's view on it. And the fact that you're trying to argue that this is black-and-white (unlike the example in the other quote above) is borderline ridiculous. It literally is not either or; it's all based on each user's perception.
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It's a handheld in the sense that it's a handheld device. It has a great little dock that comes with it that you can pop it in and bam its on your TV, making it playable just like a home console. Hence the label of a hyrbid, which is truly what it is. Again, I'm not arguing about perception of how we each view the system, I'm arguing about the true nature of what the device really is, and scoffing at the idea that Nintendo is trying to dupe anyone into thinking that the device is strictly a home console.

 

[raxadian]

Same can be said about Mario 64, but a native port is really cool.

While not perfect, I prefer the DS port.

Heck they improved so many things I can forgive Yoshi basically replacing everyone.