Objectively, it's society's fault.
If you're content with living in a world where people die because they can't afford health insurance and otherwise would have lived if it weren't solely for that fact, that's your prerogative. Personally, I'm not okay with that for various reasons.
People die all the time, Lacius - I can't save everyone. I would like to, but I can't. What I can do is look after the people I'm responsible for, that's my prerogative. Nothing more, nothing less. My objective in life is to maximise the flourishing of myself and my loved ones, this objective necessitates that I look at my bottom line first and foremost. If I have some excess, I will share it, but on my own terms.
Ooof, that's a can of worms I forgot about for a while. Mandatory car insurance, good grief.
"People die" isn't much of a defense of the systemic problems with a society that allows people to die unnecessarily. I'm also not arguing that we can save everyone, but we can dramatically mitigate the number of people dying from lack of health insurance. Again, these are people who don't have a choice. Don't act like it's either "save everyone" or "save no one."
It isn't, because you don't have to argue it. I don't like the current system either, we just have drastically different ideas on how it should be improved because we have a very different world view and different priorities.
yeah, but on that one i can at least say its basically forcing you to put money aside for if you kill someone else or ruin their property, your not forced to insure your own car, sure it sucks if your a good driver, but i would imagine its better than having tossers destroying other peoples cars and just getting to walk away leaving their victim screwed out of their property potentially loosing their jobs through no fault of their own.....its a shame we dont have a system where people would be held to account for their own actions but alas
Our most recent conversation hasn't been a debate about how it should be improved. Our most recent conversation has been a debate about whether or not it should be improved.
I believe I stated quite explicitly that it should be nuked from orbit and that everything about it is asenine because it's a hodgepodge of ideas that don't fit, I don't know how else I could describe how I feel about it. Forgive me, I don't have total recall.
Owning a vehicle necessitates insurance the same way owning a TV necessitates a TV license - it doesn't. All insurance is a calculated bet and should be optional. If you wreck someone's car and you don't have insurance, guess what? You're paying out of pocket. If you can't, the police can auction your property - they're pretty good at that. Removing the optional nature of insurance just allows insurance companies to give zero shits about their customers because, guess what, their customers don't have a choice in the matter. It creates a cabal of insurers who no longer have to compete by providing good value for money - they can just sit there and wait for money to fall into their laps.
Everyone here agrees that it should be improved. How is a different story. The European system has flaws. We should figure out an even better system then theirs.
It's really funny that we're having this debate about healthcare, but we're not having it about bread. I can go to a store and just buy a loaf of bread - there's thousands of stores and thousands of brands. I can just grab one, pay at the till and be on my merry way with my loaf of bread thanks to which I won't starve. I can't do that in a hospital for some reason - there has to be 101 hoops that inflate the total cost to such an exorbitant amount that *not* participating in the crazy system isn't even viable.
You've argued that the lives of people you don't know don't matter enough to do anything about their unnecessary deaths. They should be left to their own devices, which objectively means many of them will die. Some will die because they made poor decisions, and others will die despite making all of the right decisions.
Food is extremely cheap in the U.S. so cheap that we have an obesity epidemic. You're more likely to be fat if your poor. Only Kings had this luxury in the past.
yeah i do think the force should never be exerted, as i mentioned in my previous post, once something is forced it will inevitably start to become inflated in value, if i sold beans and people were legally obliged to buy my beans ....why on earth would i not just start selling my beans for £1000000000.......i mean people are forced to buy them
That's a pretty big difference-maker. It means they don't operate in the exact same way I do, otherwise I'd be flat broke and homeless in a matter of days. They can take any stupid risk they want, and they know daddy/the banks/the government/someone will bail them out if things go South. Socialism and abundant social safety nets for the rich, capitalism for everyone else. Or if you prefer: capitalist gains, socialized losses.
That's what happens when you give gov power to dictate what you can and can't do. Instead of letting market decide what's best, cheapest and most efficient way to produce something.
The cheapest way to produce something is to outsource the labor and/or use machine labor. You can therefore understand how no corporation has your best interests at heart.
yeah what's worse is its all done with shady backroom deals, when the guy i knew decided to raise the issue that the hospital he was working at was buying in 200 boxes of reams of paper per month and they only ever used 1/4 of them and had to bin the rest when the next delivery came in he was effectively told to shut up by management i'm sure a lot of palms are greased in these contracts, its certainly not a system with much concern over what they are spending
The NHS is insanely wasteful. Just two years ago the "consultation scandal" broke and the nation found out about doctors making deals with hospitals to work overtime as "consultants" for exorbitant fees. A "consultant" makes £89,000 a year on top of their basic salary as a doctor, that's $114,000 in freedom money. They make anywhere between £300 and £1000 per four-hour shift - the higher estimate is a little bit below what a minimum wage employee can make in a month. In four hours. On top of their normal salary. The highest-paid consultant was paid a total of £375,000 in 2015, or $438,000. For part-time consultations on the side every now and then. It's asinine.
That's not how debt works.
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