The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom

[CORE]

Just as John Dee Foretold the Second Blight is upon us ZBIU.

 

[Taleweaver]

Probably worth mentioning : there has been a huge pro-EU demonstration in London yesterday. Over a million people matched against the 'circus'. The online petition for a second referendum needs 100'000 votes to be heard by parliament but is now at four million signatures.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Honestly, if there is no Brexit, the British people have nobody to blame but themselves. Parliament makes the final decision. If they don't like it, they should not have voted for Labor or May's party. Both of them were against a real Brexit.
It's like the "lesser of two evils" arguments in the USA. Then don't vote for either, you morons!
No offence...

 

[FAST6191]

Honestly, if there is no Brexit, the British people have nobody to blame but themselves. Parliament makes the final decision. If they don't like it, they should not have voted for Labor or May's party. Both of them were against a real Brexit.
It's like the "lesser of two evils" arguments in the USA. Then don't vote for either, you morons!
No offence...

That makes little sense from where I sit. I would still be content to blame the government for triggering article 50 without an agreement as to what was being sought and loads of people having their own ideas (mainly because there was no agreed up setup at the time of the referendum), and proceeding to twiddle their thumbs for the next however long whilst hamstringing what efforts were being made to negotiate. Similarly what would "real brexit" look like? To some I imagine it is WTO agreements, others would probably go for minimal EU oversight but some kind of special relationship owing to the ease of trade and history thereof, others would be content to adopt some of the things the likes of Norway, Switzerland and such have and many remixes of all of those, and some things I likely have not considered. Any of those could justifiably be called "real" and not what another camp in the debate would care for, even if they nominally fall under the leave banner.

 

[kumikochan]

That makes little sense from where I sit. I would still be content to blame the government for triggering article 50 without an agreement as to what was being sought and loads of people having their own ideas (mainly because there was no agreed up setup at the time of the referendum), and proceeding to twiddle their thumbs for the next however long whilst hamstringing what efforts were being made to negotiate. Similarly what would "real brexit" look like? To some I imagine it is WTO agreements, others would probably go for minimal EU oversight but some kind of special relationship owing to the ease of trade and history thereof, others would be content to adopt some of the things the likes of Norway, Switzerland and such have and many remixes of all of those, and some things I likely have not considered. Any of those could justifiably be called "real" and not what another camp in the debate would care for, even if they nominally fall under the leave banner.

The thing is with Norway, switzerland and so forth that they never have been a part of the EU to begin with and in general always have been on good terms with each other while the UK has been a part of the EU, constantly slandering the EU, working against the EU and they left themselves and are gonna expect the same deal as Norway and Switzerland have ? That is NEVER going to happen. I'm not saying you do but a lot of people in the UK expect a deal like that and constantly bring up switzerland and Norway

 

[FAST6191]

The thing is with Norway, switzerland and so forth that they never have been a part of the EU to begin with and in general always have been on good terms with each other while the UK has been a part of the EU, constantly slandering the EU, working against the EU and they left themselves and are gonna expect the same deal as Norway and Switzerland have ? That is NEVER going to happen. I'm not saying you do but a lot of people in the UK expect a deal like that and constantly bring up switzerland and Norway

I don't know if I would say the UK is constantly slandering the EU. The Euro sceptic element as they were called were reasonably prominent but at the same time there were plenty in it to win it. Unless you mean not joining the Euro or Schengen.

I would agree if it is going to be purely done on good will on the EU's part, especially if the EU also has to be seen to make an example of the UK to scare the rest of its members and prospective members. If the UK is some kind of valuable to the EU though then it is not unreasonable to negotiate for something, indeed May's deal includes many elements similar to what those countries have. That said the point of bringing it up was to illustrate the ambiguousness of the quoted poster, and I don't consider some variation on those themes terribly unreasonable or unlikely.

 

[emigre]

The thing is with Norway, switzerland and so forth that they never have been a part of the EU to begin with and in general always have been on good terms with each other while the UK has been a part of the EU, constantly slandering the EU, working against the EU and they left themselves and are gonna expect the same deal as Norway and Switzerland have ? That is NEVER going to happen. I'm not saying you do but a lot of people in the UK expect a deal like that and constantly bring up switzerland and Norway

I think the problem is our negotiating team went in there with an actual expectation of having our cake and eating it. The so-called red lines have really dented the prospect of a functional post-exit relationship.

I think it's safe to say the biggest benefit of Brexit to us is the how clear our institutions are a complete shambles and out this generation's politicians are so incompetent yet so self-centered. It's truly amazing at how the Tory party have royally damaged the country to deal with their own internal division.

 

[Xzi]

This is a top-notch Brexit meme right here.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

right here.

Totally looks like a better version of a dude we "know"

ernyweigh,

Spoiler: peccadillo #2

Shit, no lie, I thought this was post funny pics--hold for edit.
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After seeing my peccadillo, a question I'd like to ask (feel free), do you think Brexit will cause a revolution?

 

[Doran754]

Probably worth mentioning : there has been a huge pro-EU demonstration in London yesterday. Over a million people matched against the 'circus'. The online petition for a second referendum needs 100'000 votes to be heard by parliament but is now at four million signatures.

No, It's really not worth mentioning. Remoaners doing what they've done for the past 3 years .. moaning. The online petition has had every country in the world sign it! This thread has been hilarious. I'm glad you find it newsworthy that the London elite, which is full of middle to upperclass muppets and every EU national you could imagine, managed to walk out their front doors for a quick stroll around London in their echo chamber yesterday. Still, 5million mostly duplicates/fradulent signatures doesn't quite come close to 17.4m real votes. It's great they managed to organise a march but couldn't organise a march to the ballot box 3 years ago.

 

[blahblah]

Why is this thread allowed to exist? Lock it, delete it, let's move on. Stop allowing crypto-fascists to launder garbage they were taught by Youtube.

 

[H1B1Esquire]

I feel good to have both sides.

 

[Xzi]

It's great they managed to organise a march but couldn't organise a march to the ballot box 3 years ago.

Almost as bad as the 'leave' crew running a marketing campaign before they had any idea what a deal to leave might actually look like.

 

[Doran754]

Almost as bad as the 'leave' crew running a marketing campaign before they had any idea what a deal to leave might actually look like.

Mate your opinion on brexit is about as relevant as mine on Trump. I couldn't care less what you have to say on this subject. But I'll add it makes no difference whatsoever what leave 'looks like' It was a binary choice, in or out. We were all told leaving meant leaving the customs union and single market. It was sold to us as a no deal, that's what we voted for. Obviously, coming from an already independent country that wouldn't dream of ever giving up any sovereignty whatsoever for any sort of trade deals you'll forgive me if I dont care what you think.

 

[Xzi]

But I'll add it makes no difference whatsoever what leave 'looks like' It was a binary choice, in or out.

Without a pre-established deal, there is no binary choice. It was more like a false choice, because the 'leave' option didn't really have any substance behind it, and somehow it still doesn't. Personally I think they never should've held the vote at all, it's clear now that people didn't have the information they needed to make an informed decision.

 

[Doran754]

Without a pre-established deal, there is no binary choice. It was more like a false choice, because the 'leave' option didn't really have any substance behind it, and somehow it still doesn't. Personally I think they never should've held the vote at all, it's clear now that people didn't have the information they needed to make an informed decision.

"Without a pre-established deal" It's called trading on WTO terms (that over 70% of the globe outside the EU does, crazy i know) It must suck being on the wrong side of history - twice (brexit and trump) but It's time to move on, you're in the minority. It wasn't a false choice, we voted for what we voted for, nobody has to explain why they voted for it. Nobody owes you an explanation. You think they shouldn't have held the vote because you don't like the outcome - again, that's irrelevant, doesn't affect you. The rest of it was just typical lefty trash, I knew what I voted for thanks. "once in a generation"

 

[Xzi]

It wasn't a false choice, we voted for what we voted for

"Voted for what we voted for." And what did you vote for exactly? You voted 'leave.' What does that entail? Apparently nobody knows since you won't explain it, and neither will the leave campaigners that dipped right the fuck out as soon as the vote passed.

Obviously I don't really have a horse in this race, and Brexiteers are free to shoot themselves in the foot as many times as they'd like. The rest of us on the outside are just wondering why.

 

[Doran754]

"Voted for what we voted for." And what did you vote for exactly? You voted 'leave.' What does that entail? Apparently nobody knows since you won't explain it, and neither will the leave campaigners that dipped right the fuck out as soon as the vote passed.

Obviously I don't really have a horse in this race, and Brexiteers are free to shoot themselves in the foot as many times as they'd like. The rest of us are just wondering why.

Again, I dont need to explain why I voted to you. It's my democratic choice. Yeah we certainly shot ourselves in the foot when we didn't join schengen and when we didn't join the Euro. We were told all our banks would collapse. Look what happened there. We were told there would be 100,000 job losses on merely having the gall to vote to leave. You'd think after recent history you wouldn't make such powerful assertions like you know everything when quite clearly you don't. Also you're quite welcome to keep wondering why, have fun.

 

[Xzi]

Again, I dont need to explain why I voted to you.

I asked you to explain what the leave vote actually entails, not why you voted the way you did. Was there a 'leave deal' in the end, or did Britain already leave the EU without any established terms? Or is this entire fiasco still ongoing?

 

[Rafaqat]

No, It's really not worth mentioning. Remoaners doing what they've done for the past 3 years .. moaning. The online petition has had every country in the world sign it! This thread has been hilarious. I'm glad you find it newsworthy that the London elite, which is full of middle to upperclass muppets and every EU national you could imagine, managed to walk out their front doors for a quick stroll around London in their echo chamber yesterday. Still, 5million mostly duplicates/fradulent signatures doesn't quite come close to 17.4m real votes. It's great they managed to organise a march but couldn't organise a march to the ballot box 3 years ago.

Weird. Second person to have tried to claim that the march is full of middle to upper class people. the Other guy tried to claim it was mostly white people.
The march had busses coming in from all parts of the country. We can disagree on the reason for brexit and the pro and cons bu lets not try to sell lies (again).