Hacking Question When will a free XCI Backup Loader be released?

[xtrem3x]

The people arguing about XCI's saying that nobody cares about them because NSPs are better etc are the same people who post loads of crap in every SX thread. It's people hating on SX so they are trying to convince themselves that XCI's are useless. In reality they should just admit that the homebrew devs haven't figured out how to do it yet.

It's a shame other devs haven't figured it out yet because it means people who do care about XCI loading don't have the choice to choose a different CFW. They are forced to use SX because it is the only one that does what they are wanting to do.

 

[Kubas_inko]

Yeah, one other known thing is going online with invalid gamecard/ticket certs. Which does not apply to xci dumps created yourself.

Nor to NSPs you dump yourself.

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You are missing the point. By hacking the Switch in any way on sysNAND, your Switch is effectively banned (you can’t go online and if you do, you are still banned). Restoring NAND backups every time you want to use your Switch normally, is both dangerous and not reasonably feasable. With emuNAND you could avoid all that, hence why it should have been released long time ago if they cared at all.

How does that support your claim that they banned anyone's switch?
And once again, if you want free emunand so much, go and support them and stop throwing rocks under their legs.

 

[DocKlokMan]

6 pages of questioning why, off-topic discussion, and alternate suggestions and not enough answering the actual question.

@RyuSeisuke1992 The reason it hasn't been implemented yet and likely won't for a long time is that in order to trick the Switch into mounting a fake game cart TX uses the data from an ACTUAL REAL CART to bypass the authentication checks and to engage the game card slot firmware so that they can hijack and redirect it. You won't see this tactic used in open source firmwares as it's direct copyright infringement against Nintendo.

Until the game card slot firmware gets reverse engineered and reimplemented (no one's looking to do that as A. It's hard, and B. It'd only be good for piracy) then don't count on an open solution for XCI loading.

 

[WiiUBricker]

How does that support your claim that they banned anyone's switch?

Because apparently you can't read.

By hacking the Switch in any way on sysNAND, your Switch is effectively banned

And once again, if you want free emunand so much, go and support them and stop throwing rocks under their legs.

I don't need free emunand. I was replying to this post of yours to point out how it doesn't make any sense. Furthermore, I have never met, nor spoken with any of them, so I don't see how it's possible for me to throw rocks under their legs. Try again.

 

[Kubas_inko]

Because apparently you can't read.



I don't need free emunand. I was replying to this post of yours to point out how it doesn't make any sense. Furthermore, I have never met, nor spoken with any of them, so I don't see how it's possible for me to throw rocks under their legs. Try again.

How does that, once again, support your claim that they got someones switch banned, when they tell you exactly what to do to not get banned? And if you see being offline as banned, then your banned on any CFW.
Throwing rocks under their legs by saying how they ban someones switch maybe?
Being offline just makes you offline, it does not ban your switch. This is one of the worst arguments. You can go online any time you want and then get banned for your stupidity going online without restoring your clean NAND. So please stop spreading this bullsh!t.
Anyways, the same can be said about SX OS. As long as you have CFW and are truly online, you can get banned.

And if you see being offline as banned, then there can't be a logical conversation between us.

 

[Lacius]

The "point" of xci is you don't have to install them. So installing them doesn't remove the point at all.

Like I said, not much of a point. You can either move the XCI file to your SD card, or you can install an NSP file from your computer to your Switch using USB. Both are approximately the same amount of time.

 

[Kubas_inko]

Like I said, not much of a point. You can either move the XCI file to your SD card, or you can install an NSP file from your computer to your Switch using USB. Both are approximately the same amount of time.

Or use DZ/tinfoil and FTP. That's my preferred method.

 

[linuxares]

6 pages of questioning why, off-topic discussion, and alternate suggestions and not enough answering the actual question.

@RyuSeisuke1992 The reason it hasn't been implemented yet and likely won't for a long time is that in order to trick the Switch into mounting a fake game cart TX uses the data from an ACTUAL REAL CART to bypass the authentication checks and to engage the game card slot firmware so that they can hijack and redirect it. You won't see this tactic used in open source firmwares as it's direct copyright infringement against Nintendo.

Until the game card slot firmware gets reverse engineered and reimplemented (no one's looking to do that as A. It's hard, and B. It'd only be good for piracy) then don't count on an open solution for XCI loading.

Exactly, and it have low priority since there is a lot of other things to develop first than some piracy tools

 

[WiiUBricker]

How does that, once again, support your claim that they got someones switch banned, when they tell you exactly what to do to not get banned? And if you see being offline as banned, then your banned on any CFW. Throwing rocks under their legs by saying how they ban someones switch? Just stop. Being offline just makes you offline, it does not ban your switch.

Are you pretending to not understand or do you really not understand? Let me try to ELI5 it for you in case of the latter:

BAN: No go online.
sysNAND hacks: No go online.

You can go online any time you want and then get banned for your stupidity going online without restoring your clean NAND. So please stop spreading this bullsh!t.

Once again, just for you

Restoring NAND backups every time you want to use your Switch normally, is both dangerous and not reasonably feasable.

Anyways, the same can be said about SX OS. As long as you have CFW and are truly online, you can get banned.

No.

SX has emuNAND. The point of emuNAND is it doesn't affect the sysNAND and therefore you can still go online while enjoying homebrew capability. emuNAND naturally should not have any internet settings.

 

[RednaxelaNnamtra]

6 pages of questioning why, off-topic discussion, and alternate suggestions and not enough answering the actual question.

@RyuSeisuke1992 The reason it hasn't been implemented yet and likely won't for a long time is that in order to trick the Switch into mounting a fake game cart TX uses the data from an ACTUAL REAL CART to bypass the authentication checks and to engage the game card slot firmware so that they can hijack and redirect it. You won't see this tactic used in open source firmwares as it's direct copyright infringement against Nintendo.

Until the game card slot firmware gets reverse engineered and reimplemented (no one's looking to do that as A. It's hard, and B. It'd only be good for piracy) then don't count on an open solution for XCI loading.

From what I read the gamecard data should not be that big of a problem, you could just let the user dump it once with a simple tool, or maybe by just letting the user insert a original card once to get the data, and store it on the SD card.

 

[Kubas_inko]

BAN: No go online.
sysNAND hacks: No go online.

Ban: Not able to use Nintendo services but can be online.
SysNAND hacks:
- You can be online with DNS and thus can't use ninty services.
- You can do whatever you want until you get banned.
- If you restore your NAND, you can go online and use Nintendo services safely (to clarify, unless you have been already banned). (the same concept just like with EmuNAND, except EmuNAND is much much more convenient.)

Once again, just for you

Once again, just for you.
So why in the hell do see banned from nintendo services and being unbanned with DNS on the same level?

The difference being that you can't freaking unban your self, but you can restore your backup (don't understand why are you so scared of it or why are you using it as something bad) to get back the full functionality. I don't know what is so hard to understand about it.
How does this make you say that they banned anyone's switch when being offline is not the same as getting banned, because you can still be online on a banned switch and even play online games now, thanks to lanPlay or how is it called.

No.

SX has emuNAND. The point of emuNAND is it doesn't affect the sysNAND and therefore you can still go online while enjoying homebrew capability. emuNAND naturally should not have any internet settings.

Not really, because if you go online in EmuNAND, it can get you banned as well. You are probably missing that stealth mode is DNS of some sort.
But that's not what I am concerned about. I just want to know how open source devs banned anyones switch when even with SX OS you have to follow the same rules. Be offline or use DNS or go online and wait for the ban.
And comparing EmuNAND+SysNAND has the same functionality like restoring NAND backup. You go from one state to another, just like from EmuNAND to SysNAND or from new NAND to old backup.
But EmuNAND is much cleaner then NAND backup. That's for sure.

TL;DR, this is supper of topic, so please explain how open source devs banned anyones switch. Thank you.

 

[wurstpistole]

SysNAND hacks: You can do whatever you want until you get banned. If you restore your NAND, you can go online again.

What? No. That's not how it works. If the console is banned, no pre-ban NAND restore is going to fix that.

 

[Kubas_inko]

What? No. That's not how it works. If the console is banned, no pre-ban NAND restore is going to fix that.

Kinda obvious. And that's also not how it is meant. Those are points which you can do when you have SysNAND hacks. That or that or that.
I have edited it.

 

[D-Jay]

Guys, you still don't understand. Own XCI games are much safer than converting them to NSP.
And I find playing XCI much more comfortable because I don't have to install it.

Stop whining and buy TX if you want XCI. Omg... people don't want to pay for original games and cry for a free piracy loader. Bloody stupid.

 

[DocKlokMan]

From what I read the gamecard data should not be that big of a problem, you could just let the user dump it once with a simple tool, or maybe by just letting the user insert a original card once to get the data, and store it on the SD card.

I hope this is the case, but it's possible that while the controller certificate can be obtained with an FS call, the other sectors needed may not be and could require physical hardware and tools to extract, possibly the disassembly of the cartridge. If that's the case then it wouldn't be feasible to expect users to "dump their own" and thus if you released such an implementation you're practically expecting them to download the required illegal files from elsewhere. Again, I hope that's not the case and I've asked hexkyz for clarification on the matter.

 

[cearp]

@RyuSeisuke1992 The reason it hasn't been implemented yet and likely won't for a long time is that in order to trick the Switch into mounting a fake game cart TX uses the data from an ACTUAL REAL CART to bypass the authentication checks and to engage the game card slot firmware so that they can hijack and redirect it. You won't see this tactic used in open source firmwares as it's direct copyright infringement against Nintendo.

cool, so a little like ds passme/flashcarts where there was an actual header from a real game being used?
what's the game that tx are using?

 

[Clydefrosch]

cool, so a little like ds passme/flashcarts where there was an actual header from a real game being used?
what's the game that tx are using?

We'd tell you, but unfortunately they're closed source D:

 

[DocKlokMan]

cool, so a little like ds passme/flashcarts where there was an actual header from a real game being used?
what's the game that tx are using?

Unknown, but if I'm reading Switchbrew correctly, the Initial Data (which contains the challenge–response authentication when changing to the Gamecard's secure mode) is hashed at address 0x160 of the game cards header, so if someone extracts the 0x200 bytes of data that TX is using, hashes it, then compares that hash to a bunch of game headers you could probably find a match. It's likely an early game though, maybe one of the firsts. I could also be mis-reading and have this totally wrong, don't waste time on this until someone more knowledgable confirms.

 

[cearp]

We'd tell you, but unfortunately they're closed source D:

yeah well i guess the person who discovered it could tell what the game was right?
so the answer is you don't know
(nothing personal!)

 

[TherealDarknes]

Let TX be? I'm sure people who use it at this point have chosen to do so (considering they've been exposed).
We already USB install (Tinfoil) which equates to copying XCI on the SD.

excuse me but i haven't been watching the scene to closely what have they done?