After the talk about updating through OFW being a reason for ban (I don't believe it is) I went through the spreadsheet to narrow things down.
I removed everyone from the list who had been banned and had reportedly done/used the following: layered fs, installed nsp, cleared logs, played online with xci+cert. Then I cross referenced with the trimmed xci list and further removed people who had done that.
It's solely my opinion but I believe all of the above are definitely things Nintendo can/are tracking and banning for (currently).
After removing all of the above the list is left with only 13 people, only 2 of those updated via ofw. These two people also failed to fill in the report completely and are missing details on layered fs,nsp, trimmed xci, so they're reports are not reliable in my view.
Of the 13 remaining only 3 people on this list were playing with wifi deleted/airplane mode, however just about all of the 13 remaining do not have completely filled out data or contain contradictory data.
I removed everyone from the list who had been banned and had reportedly done/used the following: layered fs, installed nsp, cleared logs, played online with xci+cert. Then I cross referenced with the trimmed xci list and further removed people who had done that.
It's solely my opinion but I believe all of the above are definitely things Nintendo can/are tracking and banning for (currently).
After removing all of the above the list is left with only 13 people, only 2 of those updated via ofw. These two people also failed to fill in the report completely and are missing details on layered fs,nsp, trimmed xci, so they're reports are not reliable in my view.
Of the 13 remaining only 3 people on this list were playing with wifi deleted/airplane mode, however just about all of the 13 remaining do not have completely filled out data or contain contradictory data.
Updated Post using newer questions etc.: https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-banning-hub-warning.508710/page-129#post-8350945
Ban? N
SX OS used? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? Y (1 time accidentally, didn't play a game whilst online)
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.1
Non-TX Layered FS Used? N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? N
Used DevMenu? N
Installed any .NSP? N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Backups updated? OFW
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y (No crashes, just used to backup saves)
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Y: 4.1.0 I think, I'm not 100% sure. Definitely not below 4.1.0
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Y
Wi-Fi settings deleted? N
Airplane mode? Y
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Console/Account Region(s) EU
Trimmed .XCI? Y
Been using SX OS since it's release pretty much. Every time I go into OFW I clear the logs with Hekate. I've been into OFW to update SX OS games or play non-backups online or use e-Shop maybe 10-20 times.
Ban? N
SX OS used? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? Y (1 time accidentally, didn't play a game whilst online)
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.1
Non-TX Layered FS Used? N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? N
Used DevMenu? N
Installed any .NSP? N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Backups updated? OFW
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y (No crashes, just used to backup saves)
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Y: 4.1.0 I think, I'm not 100% sure. Definitely not below 4.1.0
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Y
Wi-Fi settings deleted? N
Airplane mode? Y
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Console/Account Region(s) EU
Trimmed .XCI? Y
Been using SX OS since it's release pretty much. Every time I go into OFW I clear the logs with Hekate. I've been into OFW to update SX OS games or play non-backups online or use e-Shop maybe 10-20 times.
Last edited by fadx,
You see, this kind of confirms what I've been suspecting since I got a Switch. Automated certificate checks and error logs is what this will all boil down to. Whether or not the console ever entered RCM and anything of that nature will be largely incidental.
The Trim thing is interesting because it means that the console firmware may be able to track the correct ROM size for each retail cartridge. That idea isn't wholly unfeasible either since the console will know when a user isn't booting the latest retail build of a game even when running in offline mode. That would also partially explain why users have been reportedly banned for patching an XCI with the certificate from a different game cartridge.
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Ban? N (Updated since the report 1 month ago)
SX OS used / Atmosphere at max / ReiNX at max / custom everything / flog custom nsp etc...? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? N
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? Y
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.1
Non-TX Layered FS Used? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? Y
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? Y
Used DevMenu? Y (Even custom DevMenu.nsp)
Installed any .NSP? Y
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? Y
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Backups updated? OFW
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y (tones of crashed logs then just wipe out using nxdreport)
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? 5.1, had ordinary errors and wiped them out then just online as usual.
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Y
Wi-Fi settings deleted? N
Airplane mode? Y
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y (OFW ofc)
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Console/Account Region(s) AU
Trimmed .XCI? Y
SX OS used / Atmosphere at max / ReiNX at max / custom everything / flog custom nsp etc...? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? N
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? Y
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.1
Non-TX Layered FS Used? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? Y
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? Y
Used DevMenu? Y (Even custom DevMenu.nsp)
Installed any .NSP? Y
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? Y
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Backups updated? OFW
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y (tones of crashed logs then just wipe out using nxdreport)
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? 5.1, had ordinary errors and wiped them out then just online as usual.
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Y
Wi-Fi settings deleted? N
Airplane mode? Y
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y (OFW ofc)
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Console/Account Region(s) AU
Trimmed .XCI? Y
Last edited by thaikhoa,
I think that will absolutely be the route to a ban and it's why Horizon based homebrew should be avoided right now if you want to use that console online without NAND wiping it.
When the whole "pirating without an SX OS" was still new, I pirated Street Fighter II a few times. When I heard people started getting banned, I quickly formatted my Switch and made a completely new Nintendo account. I also removed any prior game cartridges. I haven't gotten banned and I can still use the eShop. I don't know if I can actually play online but DBFZ open beta is downloading now.
So maybe formatting works? Or I'm just lucky.
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See my above post
So maybe formatting works? Or I'm just lucky.
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See my above post
I know I've read that factory resetting does not clear error logs. But I think having dirtied up logs only matters on 5.0 or above. On a similar note, is it the same thing to initialize the console in the system settings and reset the console through recovery mode? One of them really should clear the entire user partition.
The amount of different posts based on little information and or speculation is absolutely hilarious.
AutoRCM to Hekate *Stock* (to avoid burned fuse updating from 4.1 to 5.1) for about 45 days now. Have not touched any horizon-level homebrew or modifications.
No ban still.
Also, I use SX Pro dongle to load hekate as a custom payload via RCM if battery depletes fully. Never once ran SX OS.
Nice dongle for this purpose, albeit overpriced.
No ban still.
Also, I use SX Pro dongle to load hekate as a custom payload via RCM if battery depletes fully. Never once ran SX OS.
Nice dongle for this purpose, albeit overpriced.
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If this thread had a version counter, it would be up to V3.0 but enough about that, let's detail those changes!
- TABLES! The most important change is replacing tons and tons of spoilers with easier to read tables, rows, and columns. Had I known these were a thing, I would have formatted OP that way but better late than never. I also reduced the wordiness of a lot of the descriptions so everyone can easily refer to this thread for a specific term or category as well as make reading it easier.
- The link to the Google Doc Spreadsheet has been moved outside of the Tabs and is placed right on top of it. It's hard to miss.
- In case you didn't notice, clearing error reports/logs is now considered 'blue' unless you cleared them on 5.X which will remain red until further notice.
- Added a new poll but I didn't set a time limit because I think that messes up it being automatically removed or not so please vote if you have the chance!
- Did I also mention there are tables now?
In my case I'm clear why I was banned, I used the first version of LayeredFS -a few months ago-...
For the next Switch I will not try everything so fast come out (although I almost do not to play online, I don't want to be banned so easily).
For the next Switch I will not try everything so fast come out (although I almost do not to play online, I don't want to be banned so easily).
Just a small clarification as there is a debate about it: I updated all my backups in CUSTOM FIRMWARE.
I don't think Nintendo has started to ban people for either updating in ofw or cfw yet. They might have the data but so far it's clear they are not using it.
Last edited by jarl7,
Because the data that the switch sends is mostly encrypted.
You can read SciresM's analysis here:
reddit com /r/SwitchHacks/comments/8rxg26/psa_strong_antipiracy_measures_implemented_by/ (sorry, I can't post links yet)
I am talking about mitm the ssl requests (which maybe sciresm did?). All that that analysis lists is the nintendo's side of online auth security.
It would be much easier to find out what console-sided actions/data are making devices get banned when going online if we knew what it is sending to nintendo while online, since that would make it easier to find what cfws need to patch on the os.
Last edited by Pachee,
, Reason: typo
Ban? - N
SX OS used? - Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? -Y
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? - N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? - N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? - The lowest presumably. Had it since basically launch
Non-TX Layered FS Used? - N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? - N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? - N
Used DevMenu? - Y
Installed any .NSP? - N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? - N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? - N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? - N
Backups updated? CFW/OFW/Both/N - Yes All updated to current using Nintendo's Servers
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? - Y
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? - Y
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? - N
AutoRCM? - Y
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? - N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? - N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? - N
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? - N
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? - N
Wi-Fi settings deleted? - N
Airplane mode? - Mostly unless I update or play legit game nline
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? - N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? - Y
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? - Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? - N
Console/Account Region - UK
Trimmed .XCI? - Mostly no
Additional Comments
I'm curious if anyone in the UK is banned. I don't know if some Nintendo regional depts are less strict than others, but I'm wondering.
SX OS used? - Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? -Y
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? - N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? - N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? - The lowest presumably. Had it since basically launch
Non-TX Layered FS Used? - N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? - N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? - N
Used DevMenu? - Y
Installed any .NSP? - N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? - N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? - N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? - N
Backups updated? CFW/OFW/Both/N - Yes All updated to current using Nintendo's Servers
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? - Y
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? - Y
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? - N
AutoRCM? - Y
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? - N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? - N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? - N
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? - N
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? - N
Wi-Fi settings deleted? - N
Airplane mode? - Mostly unless I update or play legit game nline
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? - N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? - Y
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? - Y
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? - N
Console/Account Region - UK
Trimmed .XCI? - Mostly no
Additional Comments
I'm curious if anyone in the UK is banned. I don't know if some Nintendo regional depts are less strict than others, but I'm wondering.
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