Are you American? Are you circumcized? Then you NEED to watch this

[FGFlann]

What's confusing you?

 

[Pluupy]

I usually try to reply to quotes but I don't really have anything to say here...
You're not being serious (posting pictures, making jokes etc)

Half yes, yes no. This topic is clearly fueled by men trying to protect "muh masculinity". Circumcision isn't even a topic of debate because it doesn't hurt anyone in the longrun. It hurts to get it done as an adult, which is why doctors tell parents to get it done young. It means absolutely nothing in the long run.

Or maybe this hateful thread is fueled by circumcised males who long for their lost dick skin. Who knows.

What's confusing you?

Mind uh explaining what on earth that "female equivalent" is? Women don't get circumcised.

 

[FGFlann]

Mind uh explaining what on earth that "female equivalent" is? Women don't get circumcised.

The mutilation of genitalia in the name of tradition is not gender specific, and the campaign against it is well documented. I'm sure you're aware of it, but simply not willing to accept that they are equivalent.

 

[Pluupy]

What's confusing you?

Actually nevermind I just looked that shit up like a good kid. Unlike male circumcision, it seems the female version is more about control of women's sexuality rather than hygeine. Literally cutting down the clitoris and labia barely enough to expel urine and menstraution. That shit is terrifying. At least men keep their penises. Holy shit.

 

[FGFlann]

Actually nevermind I just looked that shit up like a good kid. Unlike male circumcision, it seems the female version is more about control of women's sexuality rather than hygeine. Literally cutting down the clitoris and labia holes enough to expel urine and menstraution. That shit is terrifying. At least men keep their penises. Holy shit.

Hygiene has very little to do with it, especially in the modern era. Not to mention it was introduced as a puritanical measure to curb masturbation, which is definitely about control of sexuality. But to be honest, if you aren't capable of using soap correctly in 21st century America, then you should correctly be labeled a barbarian. The bodily integrity, and right to self determination of children is paramount.

 

[Kigiru]

Circumating kids because of some religious bs? Lel stop it, you hurt your children not even knowing what direction they will choose in their adult life.
Circumating yourself when you're completely aware of what it is and how it works? Go ahead, it's your dick. For what matters you can chop it off and i could not care less about it.

It's for me the same as crossdressing/gender/sexuality stuff - If you're mature enought to make your own choice then fine, but putting your 5 yo son in a skirt and full make-up (and i saw situations like this) is sickening example of being an awful parent.

 

[kuwanger]

Half yes, yes no. This topic is clearly fueled by men trying to protect "muh masculinity".

Or fueled by men (and women) who wonder: "who in their right mind think it's a good idea to take a knife to a baby's dick without a really good reason?"

Circumcision isn't even a topic of debate because it doesn't hurt anyone in the longrun.

Eating the placenta probably doesn't hurt anyone in the longrun, but I don't think we'd tolerate that as a general cultural practice. Eating miscarriages probably doesn't hurt anyone in the longrun, but I don't think we'd tolerate that as a general cultural practice. A long lists of physical or mental abuses to infants/children (if sufficient young enough) probably doesn't hurt anyone in the longrun, but I don't think we'd tolerate that as a general cultural practice.

It hurts to get it done as an adult, which is why doctors tell parents to get it done young. It means absolutely nothing in the long run.

So, should we have removal of the appendix, one lung, one kidney, one teste/ovary, and a substantial part of the liver--all can get cancer--be standard preemptive medicine on the very young because possible hurt to their adult self can occur in the future? You see, if you try to use any sort of logic to try to justify the practice, the same logic can be used to justify a bunch of more absurd practices.

It's clear that when people point out how absurd circumcision is, the retort is to pull up excuses and not look for reasons. It's precisely because there's so few good reasons. That's reason enough to be "fueled" upon just about any practice that is forced on millions of people.

 

[GensokyoIceFairy]

First thing I think about when I see this thread is this scene from East is East:

But yeah, circumisation is indeed a religious practise that has mythical benefits. If you're hygienic then there's really no difference...

 

[Pluupy]

So, should we have removal of the appendix, one lung, one kidney, one teste/ovary, and a substantial part of the liver--all can get cancer--be standard preemptive medicine on the very young because possible hurt to their adult self can occur in the future? You see, if you try to use any sort of logic to try to justify the practice, the same logic can be used to justify a bunch of more absurd practices.

It's clear that when people point out how absurd circumcision is, the retort is to pull up excuses and not look for reasons. It's precisely because there's so few good reasons. That's reason enough to be "fueled" upon just about any practice that is forced on millions of people.

You know very well that is not the same. Getting circumcision is comparable to getting your wisdom teeth removed when they first come out. Getting your ears pierced. Not removal of organs.

 

[GensokyoIceFairy]

Circumating kids because of some religious bs? Lel stop it, you hurt your children not even knowing what direction they will choose in their adult life.
Circumating yourself when you're completely aware of what it is and how it works? Go ahead, it's your dick. For what matters you can chop it off and i could not care less about it.

It's for me the same as crossdressing/gender/sexuality stuff - If you're mature enought to make your own choice then fine, but putting your 5 yo son in a skirt and full make-up (and i saw situations like this) is sickening example of being an awful parent.

Regarding the latter part. It's terrible, but what's worse is a parent not wanting there kid to transition when they realise who they really are at 14-15, thinking all transgenders should follow the stereotypical "I know since I was 5". My parents are like that.

 

[Deleted User]

Regarding the latter part. It's terrible, but what's worse is a parent not wanting there kid to transition when they realise who they really are at 14-15, thinking all transgenders should follow the stereotypical "I know since I was 5". My parents are like that.

Circumcision cannot be compared to transgender stuff by a long shot. This shouldn't be a transgender debate thread or whatever, but all I'm gointg to say is a 14-15 year old does not have the experince to be able to transition at that time of their life. Those are his/hers formative years. They are very emotionally vulnurable at that time.

 

[GensokyoIceFairy]

Circumcision cannot be compared to transgender stuff by a long shot. This shouldn't be a transgender debate thread or whatever, but all I'm gointg to say is a 14-15 year old does not have the experince to be able to transition at that time of their life. Those are his/hers formative years. They are very emotionally vulnurable at that time.

i was replying to part of another post

and I meant parents that think teens can't be trans if there were no signs when they were really younger, i'm 16 now, thought about it for about 2-3 years and my parents got the idea that someones told me i should be a girl, when it was my thoughts alone all along!!

 

[kuwanger]

You know very well that is not the same. Getting circumcision is comparable to getting your wisdom teeth removed when they first come out. Getting your ears pierced. Not removal of organs.

So, preemptive organ removal is not okay then? Btw, getting your wisdom teeth removed is not really comparable to getting your ears pierced, but it's interesting that you bring up cosmetic body modification like that. What's your feeling on tattooing babies? Removing nails as another person suggested? Permanent hair removal? Is it all fair game so long as you don't cut someone open?

The real issue I'm having is I can almost certainly come up with a ton of examples where "that is not the same" and you can dismiss it but until I hear a compelling standard for why circumcision should be allowed and get a grouping of similar procedures that should be allowed, it all is pretty clearly entirely arbitrary.

 

[wormdood]

You know very well that is not the same. Getting circumcision is comparable to getting your wisdom teeth removed when they first come out. Getting your ears pierced. Not removal of organs.

you sound ignorant on many levels . . . first getting your teeth removed is to prevent the enviable pain of of your own teeth cutting your gums and cheek on a daily basis thus removing them is improving quality of life
second piercing a baby's ears is is also immoral and a violation of said babys basic human rights simply because the baby is unable to protest does not mean the baby should not get the opportunity to choose . . . lets fast forward the babys life he's 13 now and you realize you forgot to put holes in his ears as a baby . . . would you drag your child kicking and screaming into the tattoo parlor and force him down ...?
third perhaps you dont understand the skin itself is considered an organ and to remove all or part of an organ as you allude to should only be done when needed

 

[WeedZ]

you sound ignorant on many levels . . . first getting your teeth removed is to prevent the enviable pain of of your own teeth cutting your gums and cheek on a daily basis thus removing them is improving quality of life
second piercing a baby's ears is is also immoral and a violation of said babys basic human rights simply because the baby is unable to protest does not mean the baby should not get the opportunity to choose . . . lets fast forward the babys life he's 13 now and you realize you forgot to put holes in his ears as a baby . . . would you drag your child kicking and screaming into the tattoo parlor and force him down ...?
third perhaps you dont understand the skin itself is considered an organ and to remove all or part of an organ as you allude to should only be done when needed

Removal of the foreskin helps to prevent infection, easier to keep clean. And babies don't have human rights, they're property. Especially from a legal standpoint.

 

[Taleweaver]

So... Four pages, but i have no idea what this has to do with America/the USA. I thought that only Jews practiced it, which means that an open discussion on whether it is necessary, beneficiary or harmfull goes straight out the window. Of course, if Americans join in on the action, then the discussion will be even more of a debate than that.

So... Not that i believe I'll ever convince anyone, but here's my opinion (without having watched the video) : do more research, damnit.
Yes, when i was young, we were told things like"better for hygiene", but a lot of those"conventional wisdoms" on othrr fields turned out to be false. If there really is harm in circumcision, then it should be visible in a large portion of circumcized men. Likewise... If it was a real advantage, men would be standing in line to get it done.

Truth is: it gets done on such a young age that it's impossible to predict the consequence otherwise.

The thing that stroke me as pretty bizarre is that feminists (who even have the audacity to say that they want EQUAL rights) see no harm in circumcision of boys but want it outlawed for girls. I'm not one to argue on why it's wrong, but all those arguments are exactly the same for boys.

 

[nando]

"Americans" is the name of the people who live in the USA as "america" is the last part of the name of our country. If there was a country called "central america" or "north america", they could be called americans but they're not, so just us from the USA are called americans.

right. like there is no such thing as Europeans cause there is no country named europe

 

[WeedZ]

So... Four pages, but i have no idea what this has to do with America/the USA. I thought that only Jews practiced it, which means that an open discussion on whether it is necessary, beneficiary or harmfull goes straight out the window. Of course, if Americans join in on the action, then the discussion will be even more of a debate than that.

So... Not that i believe I'll ever convince anyone, but here's my opinion (without having watched the video) : do more research, damnit.
Yes, when i was young, we were told things like"better for hygiene", but a lot of those"conventional wisdoms" on othrr fields turned out to be false. If there really is harm in circumcision, then it should be visible in a large portion of circumcized men. Likewise... If it was a real advantage, men would be standing in line to get it done.

Truth is: it gets done on such a young age that it's impossible to predict the consequence otherwise.

The thing that stroke me as pretty bizarre is that feminists (who even have the audacity to say that they want EQUAL rights) see no harm in circumcision of boys but want it outlawed for girls. I'm not one to argue on why it's wrong, but all those arguments are exactly the same for boys.

Female circumcision is often having the clitoris removed. It would be the equivalent of having the head of your penis removed completely. Quite a different scenario.

The reason so many Americans are circumcised is because it was pushed into the mainstream here really hard back in like the 40s or 50s. It became the social norm.

 

[deinonychus71]

Not surprised, Americans (in regard of the law) also think it's ok to torture cats and dogs to remove their claws and have no understanding of how badly it will affect their life to castrate them at the age of 4 months (mandatory in LA), while pretending it will improve their lifespan and reduce their aggressiveness.
They seem to hate anything that's got to do with the penis .

It's funny when one of the first thing people ask me when they find out I came from europe is about whether i'm cut or not... xD

 

[WeedZ]

Not surprised, Americans (in regard of the law) also think it's ok to torture cats and dogs to remove their claws and have no understanding of how badly it will affect their life to castrate them at the age of 4 months (mandatory in LA), while pretending it will improve their lifespan and reduce their aggressiveness.
They seem to hate anything that's got to do with the penis .

It's funny when one of the first thing people ask me when they find out I came from europe is about whether i'm cut or not... xD

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