There are only two genders. Change my mind.

[sarkwalvein]

This thread is hard to follow. I think it would be great if there was such a thread on a similar topic with actual conversation, points of view and reasoning. Instead of popular opinions just re-spread, shitposting and memeing, and also very defensive replies that discourage conversation instead of engaging on it... of course, having a conversation in the middle of shitposting, memeing, etc. is quite hard.

 

[Navonod]

Wait, you say you are straight but mentioned a boyfriend...
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You missed a key word. Predominantly.

 

[DeslotlCL]

You missed a key word. Predominantly.

Aw, yup, the "made" one. Silly me, but still 0:

 

[porkiewpyne]

A reminder to everyone. This thread (and subforum) is for serious discussions only. I do NOT want to see any more rubbish posts and memes.

 

[Esjay131]

Since some apparently people aren't reading the posts I've made, if anyone is genuinely interested in the sciences and their research on transgender, gender, and sex, just PM me. As @porkiewpyne stated, he doesn't want to see any more rubbish, and I'm done with seeing people ignoring scientific research because they believe their own opinion to be more accurate than fact.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Since some apparently people aren't reading the posts I've made, if anyone is genuinely interested in the sciences and their research on transgender, gender, and sex, just PM me. As @porkiewpyne stated, he doesn't want to see any more rubbish, and I'm done with seeing people ignoring scientific research because they believe their own opinion to be more accurate than fact.

Actually I'm genuinely interested, if you can share studies, either here or via PM. All the ones I found were sensationalist crock from 2015 after the "Caitlyn Jenner debacle" and all the articles I've read recently say research is ongoing, so I wouldn't mind seeing hard science one way or the other

 

[FanmadeEndings]

My boyfriend made a good point about the Straight pride deal. Being straight is the norm and until recently no one was attacked for being straight so that's why there are gay pride parades. Basically saying we're here we're queer get over it. Honestly as a predominantly straight guy I don't think we need straight pride parades. But no one is stopping you from putting one together.

The way I see it is, yes, it is plausible that those parades exist given what happened in the past, however, that doesn't take away their harmfull aspects. After all, too much pride and separating one group of people from another is what caused this whole problem in the first place. There are many who profile themselves over their uncommon sexuality and if we want people to be treated equally worthy we shouldn't promote this imo.

 

[TheMrIron2]

Of course being straight is the norm - hence why there are no straight pride parades - but think about it. If gay people are trying to become "norm", why are they trying to stand out? That's just what I'm trying to get across. I think the whole "Hell yeah! Look at us! We're gay!!" mentality isn't going to make those people more normal or equal, since they're standing out by doing that.

Also, it's really interesting to me that there are so many people in the LGBT category involved in Nintendo homebrew scenes - at least half the devs I know are.

 

[FanmadeEndings]

I agree wholeheartedly with that. There's also the factor of historical systemic oppression; the same reason why "Black Lives Matter" and "Black power" is acceptable, while "white power" is... What it is...

Now how does a historical background justify fighting fire with fire? How does it justify provoking the same contemptuous tendencies that lead to this, only from and towards a different group of people? Wouldn't you say this promotes racism of black people towards white people? Again, I agree it's plausible this is how it turned out to be, but I strongly disagree with it being acceptable.

 

[x65943]

Of course being straight is the norm - hence why there are no straight pride parades - but think about it. If gay people are trying to become "norm", why are they trying to stand out? That's just what I'm trying to get across. I think the whole "Hell yeah! Look at us! We're gay!!" mentality isn't going to make those people more normal or equal, since they're standing out by doing that.

Also, it's really interesting to me that there are so many people in the LGBT category involved in Nintendo homebrew scenes - at least half the devs I know are.

An answer may be that lgbt people tend to be bullied and mistreated. Then they find an online community where they belong and are treated well.

They spend more time on the computer, and some happen to start learning to code etc. Eventually the pool of people that make up the hacking crowd involve this group and other traditional social outcasts.

Another reason may be that there are more people who would identify as lgbt in general society if it was more accepted - but who never really explore that. Online and in niche circles these topics may be discussed and explored in detail leading to people identifying with groups they may never have identified with had they stuck to real world interactions.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Now how does a historical background justify fighting fire with fire? How does it justify provoking the same contemptuous tendencies that lead to this, only from and towards a different group of people? Wouldn't you say this promotes racism of black people towards white people? Again, I agree it's plausible this is how it turned out to be, but I strongly disagree with it being acceptable.

I'm confused, do you see Pride as an event where gays mock straight people and say that they're in any way better than them?...

And no, I would not say that Black Lives Matter promotes or produces racism in any way towards white people, but that's another topic

 

[FanmadeEndings]

I'm confused, do you see Pride as an event where gays mock straight people and say that they're in any way better than them?...

The whole concept of being proud of a thing you have no influence on is just absurd to me. I was mainly talking about you thinking "black power" being acceptable when it leads to more racism.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

The whole concept of being proud of a thing you have no influence on is just absurd to me. I was mainly talking about you thinking "black power" being acceptable when it leads to more racism.

Does it? Whenever I've seen it in context, it's always been for a Black person that's done something exceptional, like come up with a cure for a disease or take a stand against something unjust. I've never seen it used to justify oppressing the majority population (which they don't have the tools to do anyway)

On the subject of Pride, though, it's not so much that people are proud of being gay so much as proud of being able to be out of the closet without harm of self. I've actually heard some rather disheartening stories of people peeling off stickers and face paint on the way home from pride because they know that if they get off the subway wearing it there will be a group of radical haters on the other end ready to beat them within an inch of their life

 

[FanmadeEndings]

Does it? Whenever I've seen it in context, it's always been for a Black person that's done something exceptional, like come up with a cure for a disease or take a stand against something unjust. I've never seen it used to justify oppressing the majority population (which they don't have the tools to do anyway)

Seems you have simply not experienced racism of black people towards white people yet. It does exist and I will link video material when I get home. And no, it's not "more harmless" than any other form of radical identity ideology.

 

[Minox]

I'm usually rather live and let go regarding these kind of topics. I do not care one bit whether there are two or more genders and people can identify as whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.

I am not going to make any attempts to remember any new gender pronouns as I consider that a complete waste of time, but I am perfectly willing to refer to someone as the other gender if they're transitioning and if that's unwanted I can always refer to them by their name instead.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Seems you have simply not experienced racism of black people towards white people yet. It does exist and I will link video material when I get home. And no, it's not "more harmless" than any other form of radical identity ideology.

Oh I believe that there are radically violent black people, same as any other race, and I'd even believe that some of them may use the Black Power platform to justify their hate, but that's not why it exists, nor does that in any way equate to systemic oppression

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I'm usually rather live and let go regarding these kind of topics. I do not care one bit whether there are two or more genders and people can identify as whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.

I am not going to make any attempts to remember any new gender pronouns as I consider that a complete waste of time, but I am perfectly willing to refer to someone as the other gender if they're transitioning and if that's unwanted I can always refer to them by their name instead.

That's basically where I sit on it, too

 

[LittleFlame]

The last time I checked here it was about genders, now it's about black people... yeah seems legit

 

[FanmadeEndings]

Oh I believe that there are radically violent black people, same as any other race, and I'd even believe that some of them may use the Black Power platform to justify their hate, but that's not why it exists, nor does that in any way equate to systemic oppression

It doesn't matter what the intention of a concept is, as long as it causes factual harm you can criticize it with very good reason.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

It doesn't matter what the intention of a concept is, as long as it causes factual harm you can criticize it with very good reason.

Criticize all you want, it's still a minority that doesn't represent a movement. And I'll side with @LittleFlame, as well, it's ridiculous that the conversation swung the way it did and I'm a little bit baffled that you latched onto that topic, of all things, given that it was an offhand comparison that I made

 

[FanmadeEndings]

The last time I checked here it was about genders, now it's about black people... yeah seems legit

Not about black people but about promoting identities, as in promoting identities of black people. The gender debate is strongly related to identity politics, so are concepts such as "black power". I don't see the issue in exploring this debate further.

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Criticize all you want, it's still a minority that doesn't represent a movement. And I'll side with @LittleFlame, as well, it's ridiculous that the conversation swung the way it did and I'm a little bit baffled that you latched onto that topic, of all things, given that it was an offhand comparison that I made

Well, tell me about the benefits of that movement. To promote identity further? Do you think it helps to reduce racism?