There are only two genders. Change my mind.

[Esjay131]

The interesting thing is that the brain structure is actually impacted by hormones, both suplemental and original. So, as I understand it, the prevailing theory (based in observation) is that transgender individuals typically have significantly more testosterone or estrogen from birth than is typical for their sex, causing them to behave (and in many cases appear) closer to the norm of the opposite gender. Hormone therapy helps push things over the edge, one way or another, depending on how the individual would want to proceed

That is true to a degree, but it does show that there are genetic factors at play for trans people. I think one thing that could benefit trans people is the study of neuroplasticity. Since hormone production is ultimately controlled by the brain, training the brain could lead to better estrogen production/uptake and lowered testosterone production/uptake. Neuroplasticity is quite interesting, and here's a paper on it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102236/

 

[The Catboy]

The interesting thing is that the brain structure is actually impacted by hormones, both suplemental and original. So, as I understand it, the prevailing theory (based in observation) is that transgender individuals typically have significantly more testosterone or estrogen from birth than is typical for their sex, causing them to behave (and in many cases appear) closer to the norm of the opposite gender. Hormone therapy helps push things over the edge, one way or another, depending on how the individual would want to proceed

I would actually like to put a personal note to this. Even as a child most people saw me as "girly" and I was commonly "mistaken" as a girl based on my appearance. I was considered be "gender confused" as a child. As the years went on I forced myself to do what most would see as "male things" and presented myself as gay male because that was honestly easier to fake in high school than coming out as my real self. As an adult though this weighed heavily on me until I eventually got some help and came out as a woman.
Hormones are more than likely a big contributor to my childhood as one would say that I was old enough to know what my gender was. Yet even as a child I knew something wasn't quite right and wasn't something I was growing out of. It also wasn't something I could change by forcing myself to be something that I so clearly wasn't. My gender wasn't something I was able to control and happened despite my attempts pretend like I wasn't a woman.

In a strange twist of fate many ninty hackers are trans as well - which may be a reason people here feel so strongly about it.

Actually the vast majority of the hacking crew are either part of the LGBT and or LGBT friendly.

 

[cots]

Tell me more about how being closed minded is part of growing up. This is absolute nonsense. It doesn't take much to admit that one as an individual is way to subjective to have an 100% accurate picture of reality. This attitude is why debate culture is on the low level that it is.
You're an oversensitive manchild who thinks his views are untouchable, you have no evidence to backup your claims (it's not limited to your posts though) and your emotional attachment to the subject or you just being right in general makes you equally a snowflake compared to the people you criticize.

Stooping to personal attacks are we? My views aren't untouchable and I do change my mind about certain things, but I have formed my core beliefs over the years and I will stick by them. I may think I'm right, but that doesn't other people "not right" too. Snowflakes are easily manipulated, change their minds on a whim, have little to no core values of their own, can't deal with their emotions and basically fall into the line of sheep. I think what some people forget is that they were young and did the same things back in their day and then there are others who didn't forget and are exploiting their followers for their own agendas while feeding them nonsense.

 

[Captain_N]

First off, I'm not a hater. I dont care what individuals want to identify as. That said, There are 2 genders and 2 sexes in humans. We are not asexual plants. Those that have both male and female characteristics are a result in errors in the development processes. Normally those beings dont survive. We humans are unique in that we have technology. Natural selection has taken a back seat. Most of the times these individuals that are making up genders and sexes have issues up in the head. Its all in the head actually. What if i said if i identify as a Fox that goes on space missions with his other animal friends. And i demand you see me as a fox and use my proper pronoun. See how asinine that sounds?
Sorry, your either male,female or a mutation. Sorry but that's the reality. Just be grateful you can express your view freely. If Nazis were in-charge you would have been killed by a single lugar round..... Stay salty my friends....

 

[TotalInsanity4]

What if i said if i identify as a Fox that goes on space missions with his other animal friends. And i demand you see me as a fox and use my proper pronoun. See how asinine that sounds?

See... when people say things like that, it makes me think they saw something

Spoiler: like this

and took it seriously

(Yes, I'm aware that that's a parody of the original, but as far as I can tell the original was a 4chan gag anyway)

 

[cots]

First off, I'm not a hater. I dont care what individuals want to identify as. That said, There are 2 genders and 2 sexes in humans. We are not asexual plants. Those that have both male and female characteristics are a result in errors in the development processes. Normally those beings dont survive. We humans are unique in that we have technology. Natural selection has taken a back seat. Most of the times these individuals that are making up genders and sexes have issues up in the head. Its all in the head actually. What if i said if i identify as a Fox that goes on space missions with his other animal friends. And i demand you see me as a fox and use my proper pronoun. See how asinine that sounds?
Sorry, your either male,female or a mutation. Sorry but that's the reality. Just be grateful you can express your view freely. If Nazis were in-charge you would have been killed by a single lugar round..... Stay salty my friends....

Mutations (natures mistakes) are so uncommon I doubt they play a part in people thinking they are the opposite sex. It's just an excuse that is used to try to prove a point. The people using these excuses claim to support science, but only when it suits their needs.

 

[DeoNaught]

Like @TotalInsanity4 said, there are cases, where some has like mixed traits of male and female, and I think they should be slightly respected(To a degree) with what they want to be identified as.
BUT it's an extreme case, and I don't think the smol majority(not even majority, less than that) should apply to everyone.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Like @TotalInsanity4 said, there are cases, where some has like mixed traits of male and female, and I think they should be slightly respected(To a degree) with what they want to be identified as.
BUT it's an extreme case, and I don't think the smol majority(not even majority, less than that) should apply to everyone.

Now hang on, can you clarify what you mean? I just want to make sure that I understand what you're saying

 

[DarthDub]

The interesting thing is that the brain structure is actually impacted by hormones, both suplemental and original. So, as I understand it, the prevailing theory (based in observation) is that transgender individuals typically have significantly more testosterone or estrogen from birth than is typical for their sex, causing them to behave (and in many cases appear) closer to the norm of the opposite gender. Hormone therapy helps push things over the edge, one way or another, depending on how the individual would want to proceed

The term you're looking for is Gender Dysphoria. It is not fun to have it either.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

The term you're looking for is Gender Dysphoria. It is not fun to have it either.

Indeed it isn't, I'm sure. The solution is either to transition over to your preferred gender or to undergo hormone therapy to balance yourself back to what would be normal levels for your birth gender. Either way it should be up to the individual, though, and their decision should be respected. What I know for sure is that electroshock "therapy" and summer camp-like events DON'T work, nor are they typically welcome (or in most cases even safe) to the individual typically dealing with the struggle

 

[DeoNaught]

Now hang on, can you clarify what you mean? I just want to make sure that I understand what you're saying

I'm talking about people who have like a micro penis(actual medical term), and stuff.

"A micropenis is typically diagnosed at birth. The condition can be caused by irregular hormone levels during the third trimester of pregnancy."
"
Rare
Fewer than 200,000 US cases per year
"
Basically weird Hormone levels, I thought it was with something else, but it's not.

it's just mixed and unbalanced levels of Hormones.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I'm talking about people who have like a micro penis(actual medical term), and stuff.

"A micropenis is typically diagnosed at birth. The condition can be caused by irregular hormone levels during the third trimester of pregnancy."
"
Rare
Fewer than 200,000 US cases per year
"
Basically weird Hormone levels, I thought it was with something else, but it's not.

it's just mixed and unbalanced levels of Hormones.

Well, non-typical hormone levels can manifest in a lot more ways than just that, and a lot of them are mental. You can't really judge a person in this situation solely by the size of their genitalia or breasts, if that's what you mean

 

[DeoNaught]

Well, non-typical hormone levels can manifest in a lot more ways than just that, and a lot of them are mental. You can't really judge a person in this situation solely by the size of their genitalia or breasts, if that's what you mean

I'm not judging them (I hope), but in those cases, where they have both "traits", I'd say they can't really be connected to either man or women as much, so I'd say in Extreme cases like these, I don't see much of a problem with them Choosing what they want(with some logical limitations ofc)

 

[Joeado123]

Well, some people believe that being transgender is stupid and all that stuff but actually it's not.If you think about it a moment, you can't actually say why somebody feel like this. Is this because somebody is different that this makes him/her stupid or that she/he's having a big mental illness? I think that it's because people doesn't know why does some people feel that way.When there's no scientific fact to prove it people seem to think that this is an illness or something because It's against how they see things.As I am transgender, I often said to me that this is stupid and I'm still clueless why I feel like that but the important is that I'm happy with all of this. So, I think that it's not my business how others think of me and I will accept their arguments against me because their arguments are as valid as mine. I know how somes feel about that because I felt like that the first time as well.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I'm not judging them (I hope), but in those cases, where they have both "traits", I'd say they can't really be connected to either man or women as much, so I'd say in Extreme cases like these, I don't see much of a problem with them Choosing what they want(with some logical limitations ofc)

... I suppose I don't quite understand why you feel the need to include the "in extreme cases" qualifier... why not just let people choose what they want to be based on what they feel is best for themselves?

 

[Esjay131]

First off, I'm not a hater. I dont care what individuals want to identify as. That said, There are 2 genders and 2 sexes in humans. We are not asexual plants. Those that have both male and female characteristics are a result in errors in the development processes. Normally those beings dont survive. We humans are unique in that we have technology. Natural selection has taken a back seat. Most of the times these individuals that are making up genders and sexes have issues up in the head. Its all in the head actually. What if i said if i identify as a Fox that goes on space missions with his other animal friends. And i demand you see me as a fox and use my proper pronoun. See how asinine that sounds?
Sorry, your either male,female or a mutation. Sorry but that's the reality. Just be grateful you can express your view freely. If Nazis were in-charge you would have been killed by a single lugar round..... Stay salty my friends....

... I suppose I don't quite understand why you feel the need to include the "in extreme cases" qualifier... why not just let people choose what they want to be based on what they feel is best for themselves?

Because of schadenfreude. People love to completely disregard proper science for 'pseudoscience'.

 

[pustal]

First off, I'm not a hater. I dont care what individuals want to identify as. That said, There are 2 genders and 2 sexes in humans. We are not asexual plants. Those that have both male and female characteristics are a result in errors in the development processes. Normally those beings dont survive. We humans are unique in that we have technology. Natural selection has taken a back seat. Most of the times these individuals that are making up genders and sexes have issues up in the head. Its all in the head actually. What if i said if i identify as a Fox that goes on space missions with his other animal friends. And i demand you see me as a fox and use my proper pronoun. See how asinine that sounds?
Sorry, your either male,female or a mutation. Sorry but that's the reality. Just be grateful you can express your view freely. If Nazis were in-charge you would have been killed by a single lugar round..... Stay salty my friends....

The gender vs sex thing has to do with sepparating sex as the biological thing and gender as the expected role in society, i.e. a social construct around sex, and hence the n genders derive from new constructs. I have to say however, that that is what I don't get: if you don't like the label society has put on to you, why fight for a new label instead of fighting not to be labelled?

 

[KingVamp]

Meant to mention this before. Using the intersex term for transgender people is not only wrong, but only confuses people into thinking they are the same thing. Not that I think that happens often anymore. I could be wrong.

As for the differences in the brain, even if that's the case, I don't understand why they can't just be a feminine male or masculine female rather than changing their gender altogether. That said, I'm not transgender. While there might be attention seekers, I'm not blind to the fact that there are people that truly feel discomfort with their own body. Again, that said, I do think they are too many "gender terms" that are basically saying the same thing or unnecessary, and that's before the joke genders come in.

Honestly, most people probably don't even care about what others identify as until it comes to dating and sex specific areas. While I do think it is fair to have more gender specific and unisex places, I don't think it is fair to get rid of places for people that do want the typical specific sex places.

 

[FanmadeEndings]

Stooping to personal attacks are we? My views aren't untouchable and I do change my mind about certain things, but I have formed my core beliefs over the years and I will stick by them. I may think I'm right, but that doesn't other people "not right" too. Snowflakes are easily manipulated, change their minds on a whim, have little to no core values of their own, can't deal with their emotions and basically fall into the line of sheep. I think what some people forget is that they were young and did the same things back in their day and then there are others who didn't forget and are exploiting their followers for their own agendas while feeding them nonsense.

It was more of an observation, but I will admit that my subjective view of the situation got in my way and it therefore turned out to be more of a personal thing . You also handled the provocation really sovereign and I respect you for that.
We can agree to disagree on some parts of the definition of a "snowflake", however, the reason I see core believes as rather problematic than a good thing is the same reason I'm mainly against the idea of many genders in the first place.

The main problem I see with the multiple gender thing is that they are barely used in a descriptive context, but rather in a context of identity. (That phenomenon is not limited to that topic though.) Identity ideologies in themselves are pretty dangerous imo, as they tend to put people in a position where they would rather follow an irrational dogma than what they would choose without that identity, only based on the fact that that's just what or who they are. I do realize that the various number of social genders are a try to break out from the classic identities "man" and "woman", but imo, it just makes it worse. You can, for example, be a rather feminin man without having to use an extra complicated word for it. (Chances are that people wont get what you want to tell them by just using that word anyway. That some people would treat that reaction as an insult doesn't help a constructive handling either.) The key is to use "man" descriptive and not as something that is part of your identity.

If your core believes are wrong or contradictory and you don't challenge even your core views from time to time, you will end up doing certain things just because it's part of your identity (wich opinions are a big part of). They can easily become an irrational dogma. What I mean by all of this isn't to be weak minded and change your opinion about everything everyday, but to be capable of changing even your core believes when presented irrefutable evidence. Otherwhise, you not only give up on your objectiveness but also your personal freedom to have an as accurate as possible picture of reality. And I know I also fail to get around my own personality and believes from time to time, wich is one of the reasons why this is so important to me. It's not a thing you decide on and go with, but rather a life long battle.

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Also if some people who claim that social genders are a scientifically relevant phenomena would care to link sources, that would be great.

 

[Stwert]

What the actual f*. We can’t change your mind, there are only two genders. Anyone who says anything to the contrary is talking utter arse gravy.

There is man and there is woman. End of.


Now, how you want to combine those two, well that’s a different story. We’re all gloriously different in who we choose to share our junk with. That’s part of what makes the world such a varied and interesting place to live. But that’s sexual orientation. Not the same thing as gender by any stretch of the imagination.


(Oh and of course I’m not counting gender reassignment. Sorry, doesn’t actually change your basic genetic makeup. Still genetically man or woman. But hey, if that’s what you want to do, go for it, why not. Welcome to the diverse, windswept and interesting world).