There are only two genders. Change my mind.

[The Real Jdbye]

I agree with OP
There is only XX and XY.
Even if a guy cut of his dick, implant tits and use hormones it wont turn him on a woman. You cant change DNA

There is also XXY though.

And now we come back around to the reminder that while gender is a social construct, sex is the physical aspect, which is what you appear to be attempting to parody

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A lot of transgender individuals do hormone replacement therapy, which effectively slowly alters their sex over time. It's obviously not DNA resequencing or anything, but it's kind of a mid-way point for the time being. Either way it's a very effective way to pass as the opposite gender, regardless of what your biological birth sex was

As long as you start them at a young enough age that is. Many people aren't lucky enough to be able to do that.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

He also identified as white wich is wrong it seems by many people here hence why he did all the surgery because he didn't like his afro american features

As far as I'm aware, that's... Not true in the slightest... He had a skin disorder that made his skin blotchy so he decided to bleach it so it would look uniform. If he actually formally called himself "white" after that, then that's news to me

 

[kumikochan]

As far as I'm aware, that's... Not true in the slightest... He had a skin disorder that made his skin blotchy so he decided to bleach it so it would look uniform. If he actually formally called himself "white" after that, then that's news to me

He did tho. He didn't like his afro american features like the big nose and jaw line wich he all had changed tru surgery.

http://ewn.co.za/2016/08/29/Michael...rase-his-memory-of-his-alleged-abusive-father
He wanted to look like a northern athlete because of reasons being the abusive father but that doesn't take away that he changed his features to look more white because he wanted to look like a northern athlete

 

[Heichart]

Welp, my opinion is: "There are only the ones who produces a fluid that can be utilized to fertilizate or inseminate something, and the one who produces a fluid that can be fertilizated or inseminated. We call that male and female. Everything else is constructed by someone not in power to change that, sadly.".
You can identify yourself the way you want, there's no problem with that, but you can't force someone to identify you the way you identify yourself before you identify yourself to them beforehand.

 

[3DSPoet]

Wow...so....much....

Here's my take on all this...

Gender is a physiological condition (as stated previously). There are more than 2 configurations, but it's still a biology trait and not a psychological trait.

A male has a penis and does not produce milk. A woman has a vagina and can produce milk for her offspring. (These are "normal" genders..and there's only 2)

That having been said, there are irregularities that occur that can mix any of the traits I just mentioned. If your biological body doesn't fit the 2 normal genders, meaning you physically have traits that are a mix of the two, then you are entitled to have a different gender (such as hermaphrodite, which is someone who exhibits traits of both genders)

Now, the problem with there being "more than 2 genders" is that it looks like the Unown alphabet and it's absolutely absurd. Unless you fall into one of the MAYBE six biological configurations, then you're NOT an amorphous toaster unicorn, you're someone with a PSYCHOLOGICAL disposition, which is NOT related to gender.

It IS possible for a man to have elevated estrogen and think and feel more like a woman than a man, but if he's got the hardware of a male, he's a male...doesn't matter how his brain works. By that logic, we need separate accommodations for not just all of the genders, but each of the abnormalities within each gender. For instance, lets say that the man I mentioned above who thinks he is a woman...is into women. Since he identified as a woman, that would make him a lesbian. So which bathroom should he use? Which locker room should he use? (and here's where my point really comes in...the locker room)

If there are 31 flavors of human and there are only 2 locker rooms to change in...where do you sort them into? Does the lesbian man go into the women's locker room or the men's locker room? Since he's into women, he would be a potential predator in the women's locker room even though he identifies as a woman and the women would be upset to have a man changing in there. You could change the variables in this scenario to pretty much anything you want. A gay man in a men's locker room or a lesbian woman in the women's locker room present their own issues, but when you start letting people decide their gender, it makes things even worse.

You can call yourself a sparkly segmented platypus who is maysexual, but only on Tuesdays...that's up to you.

But gender is NOT a state of mind...not even a state of the chemicals in your brain (as I believe sexual preferences and such are, mostly, a chemical difference in the brain and NOT a conscious choice).

If you are PHYSICALLY female, you're a female. If you are PHYSICALLY a male, you're a male. Anything else is a personality trait, not a gender.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

He did tho. He didn't like his afro american features like the big nose and jaw line wich he all had changed tru surgery.

http://ewn.co.za/2016/08/29/Michael...rase-his-memory-of-his-alleged-abusive-father
He wanted to look like a northern athlete because of reasons being the abusive father but that doesn't take away that he changed his features to look more white because he wanted to look like a northern athlete

He wasn't trying to change racial identity from what I can tell, he was just trying to look "youthful" (which he kind of failed at). His first plastic surgery was on his nose because he broke it doing complex choreography, not strictly because he wanted to distance himself from his genetic looks

Of course, I could be wrong, but regardless that doesn't change the fact that ethnically, he was very much black, even if he didn't look it towards the end of his life due both to Vitiligo and multiple plastic surgeries

 

[kumikochan]

He wasn't trying to change racial identity from what I can tell, he was just trying to look "youthful" (which he kind of failed at). His first plastic surgery was on his nose because he broke it doing complex choreography, not strictly because he wanted to distance himself from his genetic looks

Of course, I could be wrong, but regardless that doesn't change the fact that ethnically, he was very much black, even if he didn't look it towards the end of his life due both to Vitiligo and multiple plastic surgeries

i'm not saying he wasn't black. From multiple articles i read was that he wanted to look more northern meaning white so yeah i could be wrong 2 but that's what i get from it atleast

 

[SG854]

People read on GBATemp? @cots You do realize not everything is defined by political beliefs? Also the term you're looking for is neo-liberalism. Gender has always been a social construct whether you like it or not.

Ye its a social construct which means it was made up. Like all cultures. But if you look at biological determinism someone who is gay would say its biological. So gayness is not a social construct. Now gender is based on how someone feels. But how do people know that the feeling doesn't come from biology? If Gender is a social construct that means their feelings are made up and they can change it at will. Just like any culture that you can drop at will if you don't want to associate with anymore, like Japanese culture. Or do people feel that even emotions aren't changeable? If gender has a biological basis for feelings then its not a social construct. And Gender and Sex is the same thing.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Wow...so....much....

Here's my take on all this...

Gender is a physiological condition (as stated previously). There are more than 2 configurations, but it's still a biology trait and not a psychological trait.

A male has a penis and does not produce milk. A woman has a vagina and can produce milk for her offspring. (These are "normal" genders..and there's only 2)

That having been said, there are irregularities that occur that can mix any of the traits I just mentioned. If your biological body doesn't fit the 2 normal genders, meaning you physically have traits that are a mix of the two, then you are entitled to have a different gender (such as hermaphrodite, which is someone who exhibits traits of both genders)

Now, the problem with there being "more than 2 genders" is that it looks like the Unown alphabet and it's absolutely absurd. Unless you fall into one of the MAYBE six biological configurations, then you're NOT an amorphous toaster unicorn, you're someone with a PSYCHOLOGICAL disposition, which is NOT related to gender.

It IS possible for a man to have elevated estrogen and think and feel more like a woman than a man, but if he's got the hardware of a male, he's a male...doesn't matter how his brain works. By that logic, we need separate accommodations for not just all of the genders, but each of the abnormalities within each gender. For instance, lets say that the man I mentioned above who thinks he is a woman...is into women. Since he identified as a woman, that would make him a lesbian. So which bathroom should he use? Which locker room should he use? (and here's where my point really comes in...the locker room)

If there are 31 flavors of human and there are only 2 locker rooms to change in...where do you sort them into? Does the lesbian man go into the women's locker room or the men's locker room? Since he's into women, he would be a potential predator in the women's locker room even though he identifies as a woman and the women would be upset to have a man changing in there. You could change the variables in this scenario to pretty much anything you want. A gay man in a men's locker room or a lesbian woman in the women's locker room prevent their own issues, but when you start letting people decide their gender, it makes things even worse.

You can call yourself a sparkly segmented platypus who is maysexual, but only on Tuesdays...that's up to you.

But gender is NOT a state of mind...not even a state of the chemicals in your brain (as I believe sexual preferences and such are, mostly, a chemical difference in the brain and NOT a conscious choice).

If you are PHYSICALLY female, you're a female. If you are PHYSICALLY a male, you're a male. Anything else is a personality trait, not a gender.

On your last argument, I'd like you to think long and hard about whether or not you've ever heard of a lesbian assaulting another woman in a locker room in general, and then think even harder if you've ever heard of the same thing happening with a transgender woman

 

[MikaDubbz]

Why change your mind? I personally only think there are technically 2 genders, but if someone wants to be labeled as something else and they aren't hurting anyone in the process, who am I to say that they're wrong to do so and shouldn't do so? Live and let live I say. There is way too much needless hate in the world, and I just don't get it.

 

[3DSPoet]

On your last argument, I'd like you to think long and hard about whether or not you've ever heard of a lesbian assaulting another woman in a locker room in general, and then think even harder if you've ever heard of the same thing happening with a transgender woman

How often do you hear about a man being assaulted by a woman? Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How many rapes happen that no one ever hears about?

This entire thread is based on opinions and perceptions. No one is wrong and no one is right. So you think long and hard about your opinions and I'll do the same about mine.

 

[MiguelinCrafter]

Naw, man it is as you say, there are only two genders, no need to change your mind

 

[ihaveahax]

I'm probably going to regret this,

someone can identify as male or female or non-binary or whatever and that's fine to me. I'll refer to them as he/she/they all they want. I don't care about their biological sex, it doesn't matter here. and whether or not there are two or more genders is not for me to decide.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Wow...so....much....

Here's my take on all this...

Gender is a physiological condition (as stated previously). There are more than 2 configurations, but it's still a biology trait and not a psychological trait.

A male has a penis and does not produce milk. A woman has a vagina and can produce milk for her offspring. (These are "normal" genders..and there's only 2)

That having been said, there are irregularities that occur that can mix any of the traits I just mentioned. If your biological body doesn't fit the 2 normal genders, meaning you physically have traits that are a mix of the two, then you are entitled to have a different gender (such as hermaphrodite, which is someone who exhibits traits of both genders)

Now, the problem with there being "more than 2 genders" is that it looks like the Unown alphabet and it's absolutely absurd. Unless you fall into one of the MAYBE six biological configurations, then you're NOT an amorphous toaster unicorn, you're someone with a PSYCHOLOGICAL disposition, which is NOT related to gender.

It IS possible for a man to have elevated estrogen and think and feel more like a woman than a man, but if he's got the hardware of a male, he's a male...doesn't matter how his brain works. By that logic, we need separate accommodations for not just all of the genders, but each of the abnormalities within each gender. For instance, lets say that the man I mentioned above who thinks he is a woman...is into women. Since he identified as a woman, that would make him a lesbian. So which bathroom should he use? Which locker room should he use? (and here's where my point really comes in...the locker room)

If there are 31 flavors of human and there are only 2 locker rooms to change in...where do you sort them into? Does the lesbian man go into the women's locker room or the men's locker room? Since he's into women, he would be a potential predator in the women's locker room even though he identifies as a woman and the women would be upset to have a man changing in there. You could change the variables in this scenario to pretty much anything you want. A gay man in a men's locker room or a lesbian woman in the women's locker room present their own issues, but when you start letting people decide their gender, it makes things even worse.

You can call yourself a sparkly segmented platypus who is maysexual, but only on Tuesdays...that's up to you.

But gender is NOT a state of mind...not even a state of the chemicals in your brain (as I believe sexual preferences and such are, mostly, a chemical difference in the brain and NOT a conscious choice).

If you are PHYSICALLY female, you're a female. If you are PHYSICALLY a male, you're a male. Anything else is a personality trait, not a gender.

Who said males cant produce milk? The milk i like is only produced by males

 

[cots]

You can Google "man assaults woman" and get a plethora of news articles. Google "transgender woman assaults woman" and you get a few tabloids and Fox news articles with dubious sources, and then a long list of "Transgender woman assaulted by..." articles

If you knew anything about the legal system you'd know that 99.9% of the crimes don't make the press.

 

[3DSPoet]

You can Google "man assaults woman" and get a plethora of news articles. Google "transgender woman assaults woman" and you get a few tabloids and Fox news articles with dubious sources, and then a long list of "Transgender woman assaulted by..." articles

This is true, but if you do some deeper research, you'll find studies and research talking about how men, in particular, are extremely unlikely to report being assaulted by a woman due to not wanting anyone to know about it due to the shame or embarrassment. The same holds true with rape.

Also, news articles, in general, especially those found on the internet, are all rather dubious sources. I don't particularly like Fox news, but there are a whole lot of people who would argue, if not straight out crucify you, for calling them an unreliable source. Just a reminder that there are 2 sides to every story. For every man or rape victim who doesn't report the crime...there are likely at least as many false accusations reported as legit news.

 

[KingVamp]

A bit off-topic, but where did this "gbatemp is more conservative" come form? Was there a poll I miss?
Like even if a person does have one or some opinions that don't fit their "mold" doesn't mean that is their whole outlook on life.

 

[DarthDub]

A bit off-topic, but where did this "gbatemp is more conservative" come form? Was there a poll I miss?
Like even if a person does have one or some opinions that don't fit their "mold" doesn't mean that is their whole outlook on life.

People who only think in Black and White. People who think in bipartisan ways.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

A bit off-topic, but where did this "gbatemp is more conservative" come form? Was there a poll I miss?
Like even if a person does have one or some opinions that don't fit their "mold" doesn't mean that is their whole outlook on life.

A plurality of GBAtempers who were polled said they would vote for Trump during the primaries

This is true, but if you do some deeper research, you'll find studies and research talking about how men, in particular, are extremely unlikely to report being assaulted by a woman due to not wanting anyone to know about it due to the shame or embarrassment. The same holds true with rape.

Spot on, and I'm painfully aware of the issue and agree that something needs to be done to support male rape victims. I was, however, specifically referring to transgender women assaulting other women, since you brought up "lesbian men" in your previous post and how they'd be sexually attracted to women

If you knew anything about the legal system you'd know that 99.9% of the crimes don't make the press.

You know, they say that 62% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Plus history has shown that violent crimes are significantly more likely to get press coverage, even if they make up less than 10% of the crimes committed. (https://dartcenter.org/content/violence-comparing-reporting-and-reality)

Plus, since this is a rather significant social issue in the public eye, as demonstrated by this thread, you'd expect there to be a lot more articles about assault by a transgender individual if it actually were a prevalent issue

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[3DSPoet]

Plus, since this is a rather significant social issue in the public eye, as demonstrated by this thread, you'd expect there to be a lot more articles about assault by a transgender individual if it actually were a prevalent issue

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Do you have any evidence that that is the case, then?

This is, clearly, a very deep and personal subject to you. Your replies are emotional and have a very specific and singular side to them. My posts were meant to illustrate both sides of the argument with examples. The idea of a lesbian man is, at best, rather ridiculous given the very specific (and contradictory) chemical mix that would be needed to produce such a person.

In my opinion, people may call themselves whatever they want...and they may call me whatever they want. Other people's beliefs aren't my beliefs. Their opinions are just that, a suggestion of ideas for me to assimilate or ignore as I see fit. I'm anti-sjw, but pro true equality. I'm going to post this link and fly away now!