There are only two genders. Change my mind.

[kumikochan]

You are bringing race into a topic that has nothing to do with race coupled with a lack of understanding the difference between cultural and biological. You can't be a race that you weren't born into because those traits are actually passed down by your parents. Your gender nor even your sex are actually passed down by your parents.

You also can't be a banana because you're born a human. You also can't be a spirit or the son of god or whatever. Your logic is flawed. If you can be everything you want then i can be black and like the gender pushers Always say '' who are you to tell me i am not'' Race, dna, chromosomes it is all based on real facts that nature tells you what you are. According to your logic nature can fuck themselves and you can be whatever you want. Well i am black !!! Why is it okay to disregard other stuff nature tells you what you are but for race it is not okay wich is a load of bull because they are all facts that tell you what you are but to fit your own agenda it is okay to disregard all that, all of that besides race. It is not okay for me to be black because i don't look black so why is it okay for a man to be a woman when he looks like a man ?? If i am a white person who really thinks he/she is black and you deny that then by your own logic that is being disrespectful towards me. So if you identify as something i have to show you respect for that but when i do identify as something you're not okay with it suddenly is all incorrect and you don't have to show me respect. That logic is flawed

 

[Boured]

In my opinion, there are males,females, and a combination of the two. I should know as I know someone who is a combination of the two.

 

[kumikochan]

In my opinion, there are males,females, and a combination of the two. I should know as I know someone who is a combination of the two.

Yeah as long as they look the part when they do i agree

 

[SG854]

No your logic doesn't make sense and you yourself don't even know how it works like you said yourself '' If a person was raised by mexicans he isn't a mexican and you don't know why showing that your logic is flawed because there are zero apperent rules how identifying works. Because some is okay and some aren't and there isn't really a rule for why ??? The only thing i see people Always using as a thing to make their point is it is disrespectful. Well i feel disrespected then if a woman says she's a man so according to that messed up logic it is not okay

If they were rasied by Mexicans and Mexican tradition they would be Mexican.

There can be Asian Mexicans, Afro Mexicans, European Mexicans, Arab Mexicans. Mexicans are people from Mexico, or people who identify with the Mexican cultural or national identity.

 

[kumikochan]

If they were rasied by Mexicans and Mexican tradition they would be Mexican.

There can be Asian Mexicans, Afro Mexicans, European Mexicans, Arab Mexicans. Mexicans are people from Mexico, or people who identify with the Mexican cultural or national identity.

according to that other person they can't be. I didn't claim anything

 

[lolboy]

One important point to make:
Who the hell would want to find a bathroom from 72 door choices? :^}
Fuck no I prefer to have only 2 doors in any food place, thank you

On the bright side we could always us more bathrooms. We could enter any as we wish just by changing our gender on the spot.

 

[gamesquest1]

On the bright side we could always us more bathrooms. We could enter any as we wish just by changing our gender on the spot.

I still find it annoying when women just bust into the mens bathroom because women on average take a very long time in the bathrooms #notall , I would like to see the reaction if it happened the other way around though....I would say the probability of someone calling security would be much higher

I guess giving women a makeup and gossiping room might be a solution to that one though so women who actually need the toilet aren't left waiting for 20 minutes

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I identify as black. Funny that it is okay to identify as everything according to multiple gender pushers but identifying as black is not okay. Oh i am also 2 spirited and one of my spirits is black and the other is Chinese

There are so many reasons why what you just said isn't ok, so let's unpack them:

"I identify as black". Black is not an identity, it is a race/ethnic background, and one that comes with heavy stigmatism at that. What you're attempting to compare to gender is more comparable to sex; it's something that's determined by biological background and simply cannot be changed, and those who attempt to "change" to that "racial identity" (*gack*) by wearing blackface virtually always do it for one of three reasons: to mock black people, to poorly attempt to show allyship (which can be done just as easily by any other race, which almost causes this to fall under "kinship", which is stupid for a whole host of other reasons), or because they somehow expect special treatment or benefits from it.

"Funny that it is okay to identify as everything according to multiple gender pushers but identifying as black is not okay". Where did you get that idea? Or are you being willfully or intentionally ignorant on the matter? The idea is to present yourself however you feel comfortable on the spectrum from masculine to feminine, not fake an entire ethnic background in an ill attempt to "become" another race

"Oh i am also 2 spirited and one of my spirits is black and the other is Chinese". Are you Native American? If not, what you just said is INCREDIBLY offensive (or at the very least inconsiderate) and I think you know it. The religion that the Natives follow (under which the idea of being two-spirited falls) is closed, and practiced strictly to Native people and on rare occasions people close to them personally who have done good and selfless things for a tribe; I don't think you have to be a genius to guess why. So not only have you claimed to be something that holds sacred weight just to make a (rather stupid) argument, but you've done so in a way that you've twisted in your own way to allow you to take a stab at an even stupider one. What it seems like you were going for was a multiple personality disorder, but even then you're walking on a thin line because there are heavy preexisting stigmatizations associated with people living with that, as well

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No your logic doesn't make sense and you yourself don't even know how it works like you said yourself '' If a person was raised by mexicans he isn't a mexican and you don't know why showing that your logic is flawed because there are zero apperent rules how identifying works. Because some is okay and some aren't and there isn't really a rule for why ??? The only thing i see people Always using as a thing to make their point is it is disrespectful. Well i feel disrespected if a woman says she's a man so according to that messed up logic it is not okay. Why the hell is it okay for you to identify as everything and i can't be black because you said it is disrespectful. But before everybody is saying you can identify as everything as long as you feel like that. Well i feel black so who are you to tell me i'm not. Haha funny when you use the same logic showing it is flawed as fuck

That's not what she said, I think you got confused somewhere along the way. Of course you'd grow up Mexican (where she specifically says you would have the "cultural, but not genetic traits of"), because "Mexican" isn't a race, it's a national identity. "Latino/a" or "Latin American", on the other hand, is the ethnicity that most Mexican natives fall under, and you cannot simply change ethnicities by living in a country for a certain amount of time.

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You also can't be a banana because you're born a human. You also can't be a spirit or the son of god or whatever. Your logic is flawed. If you can be everything you want then i can be black and like the gender pushers Always say '' who are you to tell me i am not'' Race, dna, chromosomes it is all based on real facts that nature tells you what you are. According to your logic nature can fuck themselves and you can be whatever you want. Well i am black !!! Why is it okay to disregard other stuff nature tells you what you are but for race it is not okay wich is a load of bull because they are all facts that tell you what you are but to fit your own agenda it is okay to disregard all that, all of that besides race. It is not okay for me to be black because i don't look black so why is it okay for a man to be a woman when he looks like a man ?? If i am a white person who really thinks he/she is black and you deny that then by your own logic that is being disrespectful towards me. So if you identify as something i have to show you respect for that but when i do identify as something you're not okay with it suddenly is all incorrect and you don't have to show me respect. That logic is flawed

I'm going to try to make this the last time I'm going to say it in this thread, but for crying out loud gender is not a biological aspect, I t is the SOCIAL concept of the behaviors of a certain SEX, which is the BIOLOGICAL aspect. In that sense, there's no reason that someone who is biologically female, with little to no breast development and who cuts her hair short short, like one of my irl friends, shouldn't identify as non-binary, for instance. That's but one example, but there are many reasons why a person either would identify with the behaviors of the opposite gender, or would want to affiliate with something in-between, or even not follow a strict identity

 

[kumikochan]

There are so many reasons why what you just said isn't ok, so let's unpack them:

"I identify as black". Black is not an identity, it is a race/ethnic background, and one that comes with heavy stigmatism at that. What you're attempting to compare to gender is more comparable to sex; it's something that's determined by biological background and simply cannot be changed, and those who attempt to "change" to that "racial identity" (*gack*) by wearing blackface virtually always do it for one of three reasons: to mock black people, to poorly attempt to show allyship (which can be done just as easily by any other race, which almost causes this to fall under "kinship", which is stupid for a whole host of other reasons), or because they somehow expect special treatment or benefits from it.

"Funny that it is okay to identify as everything according to multiple gender pushers but identifying as black is not okay". Where did you get that idea? Or are you being willfully or intentionally ignorant on the matter? The idea is to present yourself however you feel comfortable on the spectrum from masculine to feminine, not fake an entire ethnic background in an ill attempt to "become" another race

"Oh i am also 2 spirited and one of my spirits is black and the other is Chinese". Are you Native American? If not, what you just said is INCREDIBLY offensive (or at the very least inconsiderate) and I think you know it. The religion that the Natives follow (under which the idea of being two-spirited falls) is closed, and practiced strictly to Native people and on rare occasions people close to them personally who have done good and selfless things for a tribe; I don't think you have to be a genius to guess why. So not only have you claimed to be something that holds sacred weight just to make a (rather stupid) argument, but you've done so in a way that you've twisted in your own way to allow you to take a stab at an even stupider one. What it seems like you were going for was a multiple personality disorder, but even then you're walking on a thin line because there are heavy preexisting stigmatizations associated with people living with that, as well

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That's not what she said, I think you got confused somewhere along the way. Of course you'd grow up Mexican (where she specifically says you would have the "cultural, but not genetic traits of"), because "Mexican" isn't a race, it's a national identity. "Latino/a" or "Latin American", on the other hand, is the ethnicity that most Mexican natives fall under, and you cannot simply change ethnicities by living in a country for a certain amount of time.

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I'm going to try to make this the last time I'm going to say it in this thread, but for crying out loud gender is not a biological aspect, I t is the SOCIAL concept of the behaviors of a certain SEX, which is the BIOLOGICAL aspect. In that sense, there's no reason that someone who is biologically female, with little to no breast development and who cuts her hair short short, like one of my irl friends, shouldn't identify as non-binary, for instance. That's but one example, but there are many reasons why a person either would identify with the behaviors of the opposite gender, or would want to affiliate with something in-between, or even not follow a strict identity

Jezus christ so much text. Being black is as much as an identity as identifying yourself as something else. You find that offensive so in that regard identifying yourself as something suddenly isn't correct anymore but when it isn't offensive towards you it is okay. Kinda funny that someone before said it is okay to identify as mexican when you're raised by mexicans under the mexican culture. What if i was adopted by black people in a black community and by that logic call myself black ? And please don't come at me with culture because black people do have their own culture even when living in the same country as yourself or me. I am not ignorant on that matter because it is okay to identify as Mexican, Italian and so forth but boehoe if you say you're black. Well i don't but it's just to make a point what a load of bull this all is. Being Black is as much as a national identity then Mexican is and so forth or are you telling me that most black people have the same history and culture compared to white people ? I'm not being racist here or saying i am superior wich i am totally not but they do have their own culture and so forth so in that regard you can identify as a black person as much as any person can identify as a mexican. Why is saying i am 2 spirited offensive ? Is it because i don't believe in that and because i don't believe in that it suddenly is offensive. I am in my right to ridicule something i don't believe in, that is one of my basic rights as a human being. I don't follow that political correct bullshit that came over from the states. I see it as taking away your own freedom what you can do and say and in my eyes i can ridicule as much as i want as long as i am not hurting anyone by it. It's not like i am saying in person to someone who is native american that his/her belief is bullshit. I am not saying anything directly towards a person. You have a different opinion about genders then i do but to me how it works is flawed. To me a person can only identify as something as long as they look the part and thats never ever gonna change and if a guy looks like a guy or visa versa and they identify as something else then i won't say sorry for calling them what they look like.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Kinda funny that someone before said it is okay to identify as mexican when you're raised by mexicans under the mexican culture. What if i was adopted by black people in a black community and by that logic call myself black ?

I've addressed that; being Mexican doesn't make you ethnically Latin American, and in the same way being African doesn't make you Black. I assume you're referring to American Black culture, though, which would still make American; growing up in the "Hood" doesn't change the color of your skin, nor does it subject you to the same cultural stigmatisms as Black people; yeah, it can have its own challenges and you'll probably end up picking up on the pidgin language and mannerisms, but in the end it's still a subset of either African or American culture, depending on where in America you are

And please don't come at me with culture because black people do have their own culture even when living in the same country as yourself or me. I am not ignorant on that matter because it is okay to identify as Mexican, Italian and so forth but boehoe if you say you're black.

See above

Well i don't but it's just to make a point what a load of bull this all is.

That's one heck of a non-argument...

Being Black is as much as a national identity then Mexican is and so forth

It's objectively not

or are you telling me that most black people have the same history and culture compared to white people ? I'm not being racist here or saying i am superior wich i am totally not but they do have their own culture

They do indeed, and they're entitled to it. But in America, a lot of the culture that isn't derived from African culture is derived from slave and post-slavery culture, which come from experiences that really only ethnically Black people can draw from and understand. Yes, you can integrate with them and share in cultural experiences, but again, that doesn't change your ethnicity

Why is saying i am 2 spirited offensive ? Is it because i don't believe in that and because i don't believe in that it suddenly is offensive.

That's not the reason and you know it

I am in my right to ridicule something i don't believe in, that is one of my basic rights as a human being. I don't follow that political correct bullshit that came over from the states. I see it as taking away your own freedom what you can do and say and in my eyes i can ridicule as much as i want as long as i am not hurting anyone by it.

Lemme teach you a quick lesson in "respec' "; just because you are able to, and indeed, have the Constitutional RIGHT to say something offensive, does not mean that what you are saying is in any way less offensive, nor does it shelter you from others right to call you out on it. You might be out there exercising your God-given rights, but if you use it to ridicule other people that really just makes you a dick

It's not like i am saying in person to someone who is native american that his/her belief is bullshit. I am not saying anything directly towards a person.

You may not be saying it directly to anyone, but you have no way of knowing who all is looking at this thread, nor will you necessarily know if you try to make that argument to someone you've just met

You have a different opinion about genders then i do but to me how it works is flawed. To me a person can only identify as something as long as they look the part and thats never ever gonna change and if a guy looks like a guy or visa versa and they identify as something else then i won't say sorry for calling them what they look like.

So... To bring up the "I indentify as Black" argument one more time... Are you implying you'd wear a full face of makeup all day everyday?...

And to go back on topic, I do hope that you understand that that's the goal of every transgender individual, right, to pass as their gender identity?... On top of that, though, what would you do if you encountered someone androgynous?

 

[cots]

Gender and your biological makeup are the same. Liberals go around trying to rewrite things to their liking. There are two sexes so there are two genders. It's quite simple.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Gender and your biological makeup are the same. Liberals go around trying to rewrite things to their liking. There are two sexes so there are two genders. It's quite simple.

You just... Really don't like reading, do you?...

 

[cots]

You just... Really don't like reading, do you?...

Your opinion is based on re-writing history, biology and lots of sexual education text books. Just because you believe something and try to force it on others doesn't make it fact. Science is pretty clear about the penis and vagina; you either have one or the other.

 

[DarthDub]

You just... Really don't like reading, do you?...

People read on GBATemp? @cots You do realize not everything is defined by political beliefs? Also the term you're looking for is neo-liberalism. Gender has always been a social construct whether you like it or not.

 

[McWhiters9511]

i personally dont care what people identify as. we just simply arent able to make laws around it

 

[cots]

People read on GBATemp? @cots You do realize not everything is defined by political beliefs? Also the term you're looking for is neo-liberalism. Gender has always been a social construct whether you like it or not.

Gender is not a shared opinion; it is what people call their sex based on biology. You can't go around changing the ways things have been from the start of evolution just because a few kids can't figure one of the most simple things out. You can be trans, bi, gay, lesbian, etc ... or call yourself whatever you want, but it doesn't change your gender. Your gender is what you were born with. If you cut it off or change things it doesn't change the fact you are either a male or female no matter how much you wish it would be true.

 

[kumikochan]

ISo... To bring up the "I indentify as Black" argument one more time... Are you implying you'd wear a full face of makeup all day everyday?...

And to go back on topic, I do hope that you understand that that's the goal of every transgender individual, right, to pass as their gender identity?... On top of that, though, what would you do if you encountered someone androgynous?

So you do have to look the part to be adressed as such ? Because that is basicly what you're saying now and when i watch videos about genders they say you don't have to look the part but just feel like it.
You basicly said you have to look the part because you asked me if i wear face paint everyday. Plus like i said, i don't care about genders as long as they look the part that they say they are.
I just don't agree with people saying you identify how you feel hence why i said that i identify as black showing the flaws in that logic. If it is by looks then i agree 100 percent

 

[TotalInsanity4]

So you do have to look the part to be adressed as such ? Because that is basicly what you're saying now and when i watch videos about genders they say you don't have to look the part but just feel like it.
You basicly said you have to look the part because you asked me if i wear face paint everyday

I'm just trying to find a consistency to your argument, don't read more into it than what I wrote

 

[DarthDub]

So you do have to look the part to be adressed as such ? Because that is basicly what you're saying now and when i watch videos about genders they say you don't have to look the part but just feel like it.
You basicly said you have to look the part because you asked me if i wear face paint everyday. Plus like i said, i don't care about genders as long as they look the part that they say they are.

Remember Michael Jackson? He was black and then had a skin disorder that made him white.

 

[kumikochan]

I'm just trying to find a consistency to your argument, don't read more into it than what I wrote

Yeah i edited it and wrote a bit more because i didn't fully explain

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Remember Michael Jackson? He was black and then had a skin disorder that made him white.

He also identified as white wich is wrong it seems by many people here hence why he did all the surgery because he didn't like his afro american features