About today’s Florida shooting

[WeedZ]

Nah my thought process would be a buyout for all unwanted/excess guns across the country, including from pawn shops and etc. Fair pricing of course. Not making guns illegal, of course that wouldn't work.


Oh please. The government does not need our guns, and the NRA will give you any line to sell you a gun when prices are highest (like they were during the moronic panic of the Obama years).

I'm not saying they need our guns. Let's say the buyout of ammo was a line. It was still effective wasn't it? That's my point. The moment guns were harder to come by, the more people would collect and hoard them. Paranoia is a powerful thing.

 

[Xzi]

I'm not saying they need our guns. Let's say the buyout of ammo was a line. It was still effective wasn't it? That's my point. The moment guns were harder to come by, the more people would collect and hoard them. Paranoia is a powerful thing.

Paranoia is correct. The whole "ammo buyout" is fake news according to an old Forbes article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankm...use-of-gun-ammunition-shortages/#60390cdc2215

The crazy ammo sales and ammo prices were literally just gun owners in a panic, and Obama never passed any real gun legislation because nothing could be agreed upon in Congress and the Senate (as usual). Even after Sandy Hook.

 

[WeedZ]

Paranoia is correct. The whole "ammo buyout" is fake news according to an old Forbes article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankm...use-of-gun-ammunition-shortages/#60390cdc2215

The crazy ammo sales and ammo prices were literally just gun owners in a panic, and Obama never passed any real gun legislation because nothing could be agreed upon in Congress and the Senate (as usual).

Now imagine actual legislation being put in place. Suddenly civilians are more heavily armed then before. Then imagine the extreme possibility, law enforcement confiscating weapons. It would be civil war 2. The inbetween, your idea of a buyout. I have no doubt that sporting goods owners, pawn owners, gun store owners would take the guns for themselves and sell to family and friends.

 

[Xzi]

Now imagine actual legislation being put in place. Suddenly civilians are more heavily armed then before. Then imagine the extreme possibility, law enforcement confiscating weapons. It would be civil war 2. The inbetween, your idea of a buyout. I have no doubt that sporting goods owners, pawn owners, gun store owners would take the guns for themselves and sell to family and friends.

How about just my idea for an (optional) buyout and universal/slightly more comprehensive background checks? Gun owners would still be in a panic. That's my point. They're fucking peckerwoods, they'll piss their pants over anything gun related because they've completely lost their objectivity.

 

[WeedZ]

How about just my idea for an (optional) buyout and universal/slightly more comprehensive background checks? Gun owners would still be in a panic. That's my point. They're fucking peckerwoods, they'll piss their pants over anything gun related because they've completely lost their objectivity.

I think we're in complete agreement at this point.

I just don't think that any measures taken to reduce the amount of guns in civilian hands (even successful ones) would make a difference in preventing tragedies like this one.

 

[Xzi]

I think we're in complete agreement at this point.

I just don't think that any measures taken to reduce the amount of guns in civilian hands (even successful ones) would make a difference in preventing tragedies like this one.

You're probably right. Doesn't make it any easier watching ~50 other countries go year after year without a single gun death. Guess this is how Rome falls the second time.

 

[linuxares]

I never understood why people protect firearms so much. Why? I never felt the need to own one. Hell I can get a sport license to own a handgun for sports (shooting at targets) but I never felt the need to own a gun.

Do most people even know why the second additament exists?

 

[WeedZ]

I never understood why people protect firearms so much. Why? I never felt the need to own one. Hell I can get a sport license to own a handgun for sports (shooting at targets) but I never felt the need to own a gun.

Do most people even know why the second additament exists?

It's not about protecting guns. Its about keeping the focus on the true problem, mental health. Start saying guns are the cause of these tragedies and you don't do anything to fix the problem or hold the perpetrators accountable.

 

[the_randomizer]

I think we're in complete agreement at this point.

I just don't think that any measures taken to reduce the amount of guns in civilian hands (even successful ones) would make a difference in preventing tragedies like this one.

It wouldn't, people who get them illegally would still get them illegally; what needs to happen is people getting tested for mental health and are capable of being responsible, but also stricter background checks. The problem isn't firearms, it's the idiots who abuse them. Knives kill people too, but the problem isn't knives, again, the people behind them are the issue.

 

[Xzi]

It's not about protecting guns. Its about keeping the focus on the true problem, mental health. Start saying guns are the cause of these tragedies and you don't do anything to fix the problem or hold the perpetrators accountable.

That's what irks me so much though, the right-wing always talks about mental health as a distraction after a shooting happens, but they never do anything about mental health issues and they never will. That would require spending money that has to go to their billionaire donors instead.

 

[george1391]

Everytime this issues arises I can't help but watch this video:

 

[Xzi]

Everytime this issues arises I can't help but watch this video:

I like it because John Oliver on the splash, but sadly the video is not available in the US.

 

[DBlaze]

I find it funny people immediately jump to the "guns are not the problem" point.
Maybe not, but the ease of access you people have to guns is definitely a problem.
If you can buy guns nearly as easy as going to your local supermarket, then that is part of the problem. Saying it's not you may as well agree to stores selling hard-drugs because in the end it depends on how you use or don't use it.

 

[Xzi]

I find it funny people immediately jump to the "guns are not the problem" point.
Maybe not, but the ease of access you people have to guns is definitely a problem.
If you can buy guns nearly as easy as going to your local supermarket, then that is part of the problem. Saying it's not you may as well agree to stores selling hard-drugs because in the end it depends on how you use or don't use it.

Yes, I agree we need better laws and regulations in place, even if people don't follow them much of the time.

 

[emigre]

It's shit so many people have died. To be blunt there'll be a few days of mourning and it will be forgotten with no action taken. It happens with every shooting incident in America which is scandalous for a first world country. America truly has a toxic relationship cum obession with firearms and requires significant policy and cultural/societal changes to mend.

 

[cobleman]

Well here in Australia we had one mass shooting of 35 people in 1997 . Since then after the new gun laws over 20 years there have been 4 mass shooting resulting in 13 deaths in total. Prior to 1997 for 20 years there was 59 deaths from mass shootings. Do the math changing the gun laws has saved at least 40 lives but with inflation and growth you could triple that number easily...

 

[WeedZ]

I find it funny people immediately jump to the "guns are not the problem" point.
Maybe not, but the ease of access you people have to guns is definitely a problem.
If you can buy guns nearly as easy as going to your local supermarket, then that is part of the problem. Saying it's not you may as well agree to stores selling hard-drugs because in the end it depends on how you use or don't use it.

People don't automatically jump to "guns aren't the problem". People jump to "guns are the problem". Without that argument there's nothing to defend. It's not entirely easy to buy guns. They do background checks. More often than not the guns are stolen.

 

[Xzi]

Well here in Australia we had one mass shooting of 35 people in 1997 . Since then after the new gun laws over 20 years there have been 4 mass shooting resulting in 13 deaths in total. Prior to 1997 for 20 years there was 59 deaths from mass shootings. Do the math changing the gun laws has saved at least 40 lives but with inflation and growth you could triple that number easily...

No second amendment or NRA in Australia. People care more about people than guns, that's why such a miniscule number (from the US's perspective) was enough to force change.

 

[george1391]

No second amendment or NRA in Australia. People care more about people than guns, that's why such a miniscule number (from the US's perspective) was enough to force change.

But then there's argument in that video, 'if you can't get rid of it 100%, then it's not worth it.'

Any reduction in the number guns (however small the amount) would be beneficial.

 

[T-hug]

Ban the guns. Why is it so hard for Americans to get that?
Who do you need to defend from if no one has a gun any more?
They have no place in public hands in civilized society and we'll be having this same thread everytime it happens until someone makes a ban happen.

We barely have any gun deaths in UK and it's not rocket science, it's because we have no guns for sale to the public.
We have a lot of knife crime, but I'd rather take my chances against a guy with a knife than a guy with an AR15.

The mental health angle is bs from the pro gun lobby to take people's minds away from ban guns to treat mental health.
At least they got this kid alive for once. Kind of hard to treat a dead kid's mental health.