Hardware This is how nintendo will screw it up

[gameboy]

if/once nintendo starts locking services behind its networks and tons of upcoming updates it gonna make the switch unplayable for me. ps3 did the same thing with netflix/youtube by requiring a log in and it really made access to a simple video service that much harder, then they kept adding that huge firmware update every month with all the hackers shutting down psn and locking everyone out of those services. The same thing happened to the VITA, moving files to and fro required internet connection alongside an update every other day.

the biggest problem for the wiiU was locking the wii into a whole different section, making something that shoulda have been simple into a 3min process, the wii had a huge install base with the elderly and im sure it made it much difficult for them to play simple wii games as it made it incredibly tedious for me. The switch solved this problem by making their interface simple much like the wii did by just having a picture to point and click

now when it comes to Nintendo's new service they will roll out in fall '17, I forgot to put a mention to the virtual console stuff, im not talking the neo geo stuff im talking the future gamecube and wii stuff, it would be horrible if they locked it behind an internet check or update.

I want to write a lot more but Im thinking about when i take my switch as a portable and how all of this stuff can be a disaster, if your sitting at public wifi place and then you log into its garbage wifi and the auto update doesnt fully download, or your leave said place and it just messes everything up. splatoon is definitey not a game you can take on the go unless you own a very expensive phone hotspot plan.
I guess all im really saying is locking services behinds its own service would be a bad thing to do especially because its a portable system and ive already experienced the psvita

 

[Deleted User]

It's not up to Nintendo how much Netflix, Hulu and all the other on-demand services cost. I doubt we'll need Both a Nintendo Subscription & an On-demand Sub for those services.

 

[A Plus Ric]

Ramblings. That's all I saw here. You are comparing sonys network service with nintendos. Dunno why.

Also on vc they essentially said already some vc games will need the network for having multiplayer (as they stated some snes and nes will have mp over Internet added into them).

Last. You don't want to have to update to use is really a secret excuse of wanting to not update to keep the exploits available to you. Just admit the real issue. Nintendo isn't going to change whatever decision they make because someone on gbatemp complained.

If you want to exploit your system, buy something else to use Netflix or Hulu or youtube. This is the 21St century, almost every device has em.

 

[gameboy]

It's not up to Nintendo how much Netflix, Hulu and all the other on-demand services cost. I doubt we'll need Both a Nintendo Subscription & an On-demand Sub for those services.

when i bought a vita, i also used it as a tablet and movie viewer (oh that 540p oled screen was something to marvel in those times) and there were just so many constraints because of how the psp got hacked that it made the vita damn near unusable especially at the time because internet had not progressed too much back then.

when i see that the switch is vulnerable to exploits and such i see the same thing happening, the portable side of it will become a detriment rather than a bonus

 

[Scarlet]

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if/once nintendo starts locking services behind its networks and tons of upcoming updates it gonna make the switch unplayable for me. ps3 did the same thing with netflix/youtube by requiring a log in and it really made access to a simple video service that much harder, then they kept adding that huge firmware update every month with all the hackers shutting down psn and locking everyone out of those services. The same thing happened to the VITA, moving files to and fro required internet connection alongside an update every other day.

the biggest problem for the wiiU was locking the wii into a whole different section, making something that shoulda have been simple into a 3min process, the wii had a huge install base with the elderly and im sure it made it much difficult for them to play simple wii games as it made it incredibly tedious for me. The switch solved this problem by making their interface simple much like the wii did by just having a picture to point and click

now when it comes to Nintendo's new service they will roll out in fall '17, I forgot to put a mention to the virtual console stuff, im not talking the neo geo stuff im talking the future gamecube and wii stuff, it would be horrible if they locked it behind an internet check or update.

I want to write a lot more but Im thinking about when i take my switch as a portable and how all of this stuff can be a disaster, if your sitting at public wifi place and then you log into its garbage wifi and the auto update doesnt fully download, or your leave said place and it just messes everything up. splatoon is definitey not a game you can take on the go unless you own a very expensive phone hotspot plan.
I guess all im really saying is locking services behinds its own service would be a bad thing to do especially because its a portable system and ive already experienced the psvita

A lot of this feels kinda stupid. If you think the Wii U's downfall was that the Wii Mode was separate, you really need to look into it more lol. If I had to summise the reason the Wii U was such a flop, I'd say its marketing was the biggest factor, followed by it not being a system made to compete with the PS4/XB1, and as such, shared few to none of its third party support.

And complaining about VC being "locked" behind an update is beyond stupidity. Have you ever considered the update might... Maybe add something that the VC emulators would actually need? Naaaah, that's stupid. It's a conspiracy I say!!

 

[A Plus Ric]

A lot of this feels kinda stupid. If you think the Wii U's downfall was that the Wii Mode was separate, you really need to look into it more lol. If I had to summise the reason the Wii U was such a flop, I'd say its marketing was the biggest factor, followed by it not being a system made to compete with the PS4/XB1, and as such, shared few to none of its third party support.

And complaining about VC being "locked" behind an update is beyond stupidity. Have you ever considered the update might... Maybe add something that the VC emulators would actually need? Naaaah, that's stupid. It's a conspiracy I say!!

He just wants to not have to update, to keep exploits available for when it's hacked.lol and I won't use a stupid trademark thing cuz that's stupid and idiotic.


But if they only release hacks on old firmwares and don't look for new vulns in current, they are lazy or don't care. Either or I don't care about that as I'll update mine whenever it needs. I buy my games and am proud of it. And I can emulate on 50 other consoles and pcs and tablets and phones and pis

 

[Deleted User]

the biggest problem for the wiiU was locking the wii into a whole different section, making something that shoulda have been simple into a 3min process, the wii had a huge install base with the elderly and im sure it made it much difficult for them to play simple wii games as it made it incredibly tedious for me. The switch solved this problem by making their interface simple much like the wii did by just having a picture to point and click

Unlike Switch, Wii U has true backwards compatibility and it even runs a vWii [virtual Wii] and also has Wii interface when in vWii mode.
Wii U menu just made everything look better, rather than cramped boxes with animations on them.

 

[gameboy]

Unlike Switch, Wii U has true backwards compatibility and it even runs a vWii [virtual Wii] and also has Wii interface when in vWii mode.
Wii U menu just made everything look better, rather than cramped boxes with animations on them.

vWii was the worst, i popped in a wii disc and didnt know how to use it when i first got my wiiu, let alone the fact that it took so long to boot into it before being able to play wii. If you had virtual console games on the wii side it was way too tedious to get too and then they shut down wii servers for the people who didnt get a wiiu fast enough to transfer stuff. bad business decisions.

 

[Deleted User]

vWii was the worst, i popped in a wii disc and didnt know how to use it when i first got my wiiu, let alone the fact that it took so long to boot into it before being able to play wii. If you had virtual console games on the wii side it was way too tedious to get too and then they shut down wii servers for the people who didnt get a wiiu fast enough to transfer stuff. bad business decisions.

Wii servers were shutdown by GameSpy, not Nintendo. GameSpy doesn't exist anymore and stopped hosting game servers.
Also, it only takes couple of seconds to insert a disc and play! Dude, you're clearly pulling the BS card here.

 

[gameboy]

Wii servers were shutdown by GameSpy, not Nintendo. GameSpy doesn't exist anymore and stopped hosting game servers. Also, it only takes couple of seconds to insert a disc and play! Dude, you're clearly pulling the BS card here.

He just wants to not have to update, to keep exploits available for when it's hacked. And I can emulate on 50 other consoles and pcs and tablets and phones and pis

i had a 3ds too and i didnt really get into the cfw scene until 11.4, but i can tell you that anytime i wanted to casually play a simple game online using public or slow wifi it was the absolute worst. the time waiting for the box to collect all the trash took longer than a simple game and it happened so often to me. It really bothers me on the handheld side of the switch and not so much the home side. but when it comes to network services obviously the firmware it will be on will be past whatever was exploited. popping a wii disc into the wiiu did not automatically put you into vwii, you had to click the vwii symbol on the pad then use the nunchucks to verify then you could play the game and it took minutes to log into. i play games very sporatically and a lot of times things gets so locked that i just stop playing games until i have time to apply and wait for all the update and when that gets done im no longer in the mood, then when i do want to play again the same thing happens.

 

[Deleted User]

i had a 3ds too and i didnt really get into the cfw scene until 11.4, but i can tell you that anytime i wanted to casually play a simple game online using public or slow wifi it was the absolute worst. the time waiting for the box to collect all the trash took longer than a simple game and it happened so often to me. It really bothers me on the handheld side of the switch and not so much the home side. but when it comes to network services obviously the firmware it will be on will be past whatever was exploited. popping a wii disc into the wiiu did not automatically put you into vwii, you had to click the vwii symbol on the pad then use the nunchucks to verify then you could play the game and it took minutes to log into. i play games very sporatically and a lot of times things gets so locked that i just stop playing games until i have time to apply and wait for all the update and when that gets done im no longer in the mood, then when i do want to play again the same thing happens.

>Turn off Wii U and Turn it on
>Hold B while it's booting up
Bam, vWii menu.

 

[gameboy]

>Turn off Wii U and Turn it on
>Hold B while it's booting up
Bam, vWii menu.

i no longer have a wiiu, it was a PoS console and i knew it was a dead system about a month after i bought one after seeing the zelda wiiu trailer. yup i knew it was a dead console in 2014 i also knew the vita was dead way back in 2012. And it had nothing to do with the games lineup or anything, it was how the console itself was operated.

 

[Deleted User]

It honestly sounds like you're complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[Deleted User]

i no longer have a wiiu, it was a PoS console and i knew it was a dead system about a month after i bought one after seeing the zelda wiiu trailer. yup i knew it was a dead console in 2014 i also knew the vita was dead way back in 2012. And it had nothing to do with the games lineup or anything, it was how the console itself was operated.

First of all, you buy console for fun. Even if it's "Dead" as you say.
If you knew that it will die like every console, then why did you bother with it? Naming it PoS because you didn't even do anything correctly on it?

 

[gameboy]

First of all, you buy console for fun. Even if it's "Dead" as you say.
If you knew that it will die like every console, then why did you bother with it? Naming it PoS because you didn't even do anything correctly on it?

i grew up playing the NES and most other systems all the way through now, and it used to be just wipe the cartridge and play, now its minutes and popups and reminders before you can play a simple game. I play sporatically so splatoon 2 is more annoying to play then it is to just leave it off, because of the cutscene i have to watch everytime for trying to play a single match. same with destiny for ps4, too many checks and logins and updates. when i spend more time logging in and updating than playing then i just dont use it.

 

[Deleted User]

I'd just point out that Nintendo has the LEAST of these issues, and where they are, it's 99% for security issues. To compare the NES to the WiiU or the Switch is laughable at best and cringe worthy at worst.

Nintendo's only true issue is third party support, which I expect to start rolling in during early/2nd quarter 2018. It's pretty much guaranteed that every publisher and developer is very closely watching the Switch's sales. I very much doubt the Switch getting homebrew is going to sway that choice, as history stats it never has.

 

[A Plus Ric]

i had a 3ds too and i didnt really get into the cfw scene until 11.4, but i can tell you that anytime i wanted to casually play a simple game online using public or slow wifi it was the absolute worst. the time waiting for the box to collect all the trash took longer than a simple game and it happened so often to me. It really bothers me on the handheld side of the switch and not so much the home side. but when it comes to network services obviously the firmware it will be on will be past whatever was exploited. popping a wii disc into the wiiu did not automatically put you into vwii, you had to click the vwii symbol on the pad then use the nunchucks to verify then you could play the game and it took minutes to log into. i play games very sporatically and a lot of times things gets so locked that i just stop playing games until i have time to apply and wait for all the update and when that gets done im no longer in the mood, then when i do want to play again the same thing happens.

That's why they have auto updates in sleepmode and spotpass. Stop using these things as excuses. You just want to play online on old firmwares to keep exploits.

 

[JellyPerson]

i grew up playing the NES and most other systems all the way through now, and it used to be just wipe the cartridge and play, now its minutes and popups and reminders before you can play a simple game. I play sporatically so splatoon 2 is more annoying to play then it is to just leave it off, because of the cutscene i have to watch everytime for trying to play a single match. same with destiny for ps4, too many checks and logins and updates. when i spend more time logging in and updating than playing then i just dont use it.

technology has changed significantly over 32 years you know, and besides why are you complaining about waiting too long to play the game? are you really that apathetic? you should be happy you have a switch since they're hard to find as it is.

 

[gameboy]

I'd just point out that Nintendo has the LEAST of these issues, and where they are, it's 99% for security issues. To compare the NES to the WiiU or the Switch is laughable at best and cringe worthy at worst.

Nintendo's only true issue is third party support, which I expect to start rolling in during early/2nd quarter 2018. It's pretty much guaranteed that every publisher and developer is very closely watching the Switch's sales. I very much doubt the Switch getting homebrew is going to sway that choice, as history stats it never has.

the only thing i dont like about homebrew is the constant console updates and gamecard checks and everything, i think it took me an hour to download zelda and system updates the very last time i turned it one when i only wanted to play for about 5mins, it sickened me so much that i havent turned on zelda, yes i was at a public wifi. The NES is a monster console, you just pop in a cart and its on.

 

[A Plus Ric]

So......leave auto updates and sleep mode on. See......you could do that.....but you want exploits......so you don't .