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Consoles are still covered. Phones are protected by law now, so it's legal to unlock, root, and jailbreak them. Homebrew being a violation of the DMCA is pants-on-head retarded, but this is the world we live in.
I had a little more to add to my previous message.
You have to consider just how small a community we really are. One person will not make a difference when dealing with this law. And to get a large enough group of people is next to impossible because this law really doesn't effect a large enough part of the voters.
 

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This may sound like a irrelevent question but is this app targeted for "Potential piracy"? I mean there is other forms of potential piracy that exist, and many is on PC, and it hardly seem to be targeted... I mean i know torrent websites are targeted and that decade old megaupload, but is just i doubt creating such tools and apps were meant to be directed as for piracy purposes. I just happens, and is out of the users control. If OP isn't sued, i'm glad, but sorry this had to happen in the first place. Bad way to end the year i could imagine, 2017 hitting hard with the piracy stikers. :ninja:

The idea that it's "illegal" to modify your own system is just complete bullshit to me. And I am not talking about just for piracy here, I mean just the idea that if I hack my system, that I am breaking the law. I bought the damn thing, I spent my money on my system.
It's one thing to target piracy, it's another to dictate what I can do with my own stuff. That would be like suing me because I painted my house blue.
I suppose i can say that i do agree with this "I bought it, i can do what i want with it" But i mean like all services state in each agreement, that if you make any unofficial modifications that you have broken a rule and allowed to take action for whatever means the feel appropriate, most of the times it mean loosing warrenty or support if requesting help, restricted access to their services, online or other and more. But i mean if people understand that and do it anyway, then i dunno what to say, is just too complicated. I'm not legal law expert and the system is just as broken as Ace attorney games, written and exploited and other such things that makes it impossible to agree on, as each side just want the upper hand in every case.

By the way, i would choose red, it may look like a barn to paint the house red, but is my favorite color and no one would be able to miss how well it stands out to the neighborhood. :ninja:
 
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I had a little more to add to my previous message.
You have to consider just how small a community we really are. One person will not make a difference when dealing with this law. And to get a large enough group of people is next to impossible because this law really doesn't effect a large enough part of the voters.
This is true, but there have been people to make waves that came from homebrew communities. Take Geohot for example. I also know of a few guys that are filing a lawsuit that will hopefully get a law on the books for ill-faith DMCA claims. This means that it'd be illegal for a company (or any other entity) to claim copyright infringement on anything without providing undeniable proof that this is the case. They may not be successful, but it's definitely going to be interesting to see the outcome.
 
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This is true, but there have been people to make waves that came from homebrew communities. Take Geohot for example. I also know of a few guys that are filing a lawsuit that will hopefully get a law on the books for ill-faith DMCA claims. This means that it'd be illegal for a company (or any other entity) to claim copyright infringement on anything without providing undeniable proof that this is the case. They may not be successful, but it's definitely going to be interesting to see the outcome.
You see, they went direct with this and luckily won. I am not saying that's impossible because obviously it's happened before. But I am saying simply writing to them won't help.
Basically if we want to make waves, we need someone ballsy enough (or just insane) like Geohot to risk tackling the issue head on.
This may sound like a irrelevent question but is this app targeted for "Potential piracy"? I mean there is other forms of potential piracy that exist, and many is on PC, and it hardly seem to be targeted... I mean i know torrent websites are targeted and that decade old megaupload, but is just i doubt creating such tools and apps were meant to be directed as for piracy purposes. I just happens, and is out of the users control. If OP isn't sued, i'm glad, but sorry this had to happen in the first place. Bad way to end the year i could imagine, 2017 hitting hard with the piracy stikers. :ninja:


I suppose i can say that i do agree with this "I bought it, i can do what i want with it" But i mean like all services state in each agreement, that if you make any unofficial modifications that you have broken a rule and allowed to take action for whatever means the feel appropriate, most of the times it mean loosing warrenty or support if requesting help, restricted access to their services, online or other and more. But i mean if people understand that and do it anyway, then i dunno what to say, is just too complicated. I'm not legal law expert and the system is just as broken as Ace attorney games, written and exploited and other such things that makes it impossible to agree on, as each side just want the upper hand in every case.

By the way, i would choose red, it may look like a barn to paint the house red, but is my favorite color and no one would be able to miss how well it stands out to the neighborhood. :ninja:
Well, yeah that's what a warranty agreement is for. If I hacked my system and break it, I don't expect Nintendo to help me out because I hacked my system. At the same I shouldn't be sued if I didn't commit a crime like say piracy. If I hacked my system and I am running homebrews, what laws have I really broken? What devs am I really harming? Why should I be sued when I am really not breaking any copyright laws? That's the issue with the DMCA. It basically tells the user, you may have spent money and own this, but you it's not your product because you might break copyright law. You are basically guilty of maybe breaking a law.
 

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You see, they went direct with this and luckily won. I am not saying that's impossible because obviously it's happened before. But I am saying simply writing to them won't help.
Basically if we want to make waves, we need someone ballsy enough (or just insane) like Geohot to risk tackling the issue head on.
Oh yeah, totally. Not to mention that something that doesn't tip-toe in grey areas is more likely going to be successful in making a change than something that does.
 

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Well, yeah that's what a warranty agreement is for. If I hacked my system and break it, I don't expect Nintendo to help me out because I hacked my system. At the same I shouldn't be sued if I didn't commit a crime like say piracy. If I hacked my system and I am running homebrews, what laws have I really broken? What devs am I really harming? Why should I be sued when I am really not breaking any copyright laws? That's the issue with the DMCA. It basically tells the user, you may have spent money and own this, but you it's not your product because you might break copyright law. You are basically guilty of maybe breaking a law.
Well yeah, the whole claim is based on two things.
  • The fact that it is and can be used for piracy.
  • The possibility that it will be priority use for piracy.
Is just that knowing the way something works is what people are concerned about. I'm sure everyone here who makes mods and homebrew on GBATEMP.NET are aware of the difference between piracy and homebrew.
  • Piracy = illegal ownage or use of a copy of software (in this case, game or is assets to function)
  • Homebrew = Unofficial or Unlicensed software developed by individual for a specific device that needs unrestricted permissions to use and access.
Some people get the two mixed up but is really different even though some create the homebrew using original content and coding and it can be used for piracy but it depends on the homebrew and how is used. Homebrew doesn't always mean piracy.

Is just the idea knowing that the homebrew enable or associates it self with piracy which i'm sure isn't the intention of some content creators (and i say some cause i know not all do) but is just how it is. Just about anything people will find a way to do such things with it, weather it be easy or hard to do, is just gonna happen. Is just some flaws in the laws and exploits that people seem to abuse and use for under handed or upper hand purpose to suit the individual.

People make hardware modifications to many different systems, and is only when the piracy potential is made available will someone become a target. If no piracy is potential, then many of these things would be avoided, but then again, is hard to say based on the Cease and desist orders of some game mods made this year, and the past that has been topic of discussion which i guess is different than what is being discussed right now, so skipping that. :ninja:
 
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Well yeah, the whole claim is based on two things.
  • The fact that it is and can be used for piracy.
  • The possibility that it will be priority use for piracy.
Is just that knowing the way something works is what people are concerned about. I'm sure everyone here who makes mods and homebrew on GBATEMP.NET are aware of the difference between piracy and homebrew.
  • Piracy = illegal ownage or use of a copy of software (in this case, game or is assets to function)
  • Homebrew = Unofficial or Unlicensed software developed by individual for a specific device that needs unrestricted permissions to use and access.
Some people get the two mixed up but is really different even though some create the homebrew using original content and coding and it can be used for piracy but it depends on the homebrew and how is used. Homebrew doesn't always mean piracy.

Is just the idea knowing that the homebrew enable or associates it self with piracy which i'm sure isn't the intention of some content creators (and i say some cause i know not all do) but is just how it is. Just about anything people will find a way to do such things with it, weather it be easy or hard to do, is just gonna happen. Is just some flaws in the laws and exploits that people seem to abuse and use for under handed or upper hand purpose to suit the individual.

People make hardware modifications to many different systems, and is only when the piracy potential is made available will someone become a target. If no piracy is potential, then many of these things would be avoided, but then again, is hard to say based on the Cease and desist orders of some game mods made this year, and the past that has been topic of discussion which i guess is different than what is being discussed right now, so skipping that. :ninja:
It doesn't matter if it can be used for piracy, that doesn't mean all homebrew is piracy. My issue isn't an issue with copyright law, but the DMCA basically outlawing the user's choice to hack their own system. It's not just about piracy, it's about the fact that the users are basically having both their system dictated and being accused of maybe breaking the law. Basically telling the user, that they are guilty of a crime they have yet to commit.
 
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It doesn't matter if it can be used for piracy, that doesn't mean all homebrew is piracy. My issue isn't an issue with copyright law, but the DMCA basically outlawing the user's choice to hack their own system. It's not just about piracy, it's about the fact that the users are basically having both their system dictated and being accused of maybe breaking the law. Basically telling the user, that they are guilty of a crime they have yet to commit.
Well when you put it that way, innocent users are under the accusation of this and that isn't good. :blink:

Sorry maybe i didn't understand well enough the idea to be able to properly explain things, but if that is the case it seem bad, such as everyone having a 3ds is under the risk of a problem just by wanting a modification or improvement even if not related to piracy. I think system modifications should be fine and legal under all circumstances since well you paid for it and is yours to do whatever you want with it. Now is start to sound like how Xbox one was 3 years ago at e3 with that NO RESELLING USED GAMES policy they had mentioned before sony crushed them with their own "shots fired" moment. :P
 

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Anyone have a mirror or know how to extract freeshop from a existing 3ds? I need it for a friend who's 3ds I'll be hacking tomorrow (putting a9lh + cfw on it)


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Anyone have a mirror or know how to extract freeshop from a existing 3ds? I need it for a friend who's 3ds I'll be hacking tomorrow (putting a9lh + cfw on it)


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Using Decrypt9: Content Decryptor Options - CIA Builder Options - CIA Builder (SysNAND/decr.) - Choose /title/00040000/0F12EE00.

Edit: MEGA link here
 
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It's really sad to hear that Nintendo is going on a witchhunt and trying to DMCA or even C&D everything they find that is modifying their games, consoles or even anything that opens up a loophole for people to download games for free. I can see it from two perspectives, I understand that Nintendo wants to protect their IP, as well as expect their consumers to buy their games, rather than get them for free. And from a fan's perspective, we see our fan games and reverse engineering efforts as a way of supporting them, but when they take it down, it's like they're stabbing us in the back. And the thing is, if Nintendo continues to do this, they will lose their fan base and it makes me even more so want to pirate their games, just because they're taking down their fan's creativity and imagination.

And I'm really saddened to hear that freeShop has been a victim of a DMCA takedown notice. It doesn't even matter how much a person discourages piracy or even how much a person avoids Homebrew or even any form of reverse engineering, Nintendo is still going to find something that they can C&D towards. I remember way back in 2010 when sites like Serebii.net and many other sites were hit with a C&D just because they hosted screenshots of Pokémon Black/White Version.

Nintendo is not the only gaming enterprise that complains about fan games and reverse engineering, Sony Interactive Entertainment and Microsoft Studios have been well known to ban their users from their online network just because they've found them to be reverse engineering their games, as well as issuing a C&D (but they've also been known to take it to the extreme, such as suing the person for copyright infringement).

As far as I can see, this is only going to continue to get worse. It's only a matter of time before sites like GBATemp, PokéCommunity or even ROMHacking.net get hit with a C&D or DMCA notice.

Anyone have a mirror or know how to extract freeshop from a existing 3ds? I need it for a friend who's 3ds I'll be hacking tomorrow (putting a9lh + cfw on it)


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*gasp* Please, don't ask for a link to such website. Otherwise if a person posts a link to a mirror, it's gonna place the whole GBATemp site in jeopardy. And I'd really hate to see such a great website known for reverse engineering to be hit with a C&D notice from Nintendo. ;-;
 

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It's really sad to hear that Nintendo is going on a witchhunt and trying to DMCA or even C&D everything they find that is modifying their games, consoles or even anything that opens up a loophole for people to download games for free. I can see it from two perspectives, I understand that Nintendo wants to protect their IP, as well as expect their consumers to buy their games, rather than get them for free. And from a fan's perspective, we see our fan games and reverse engineering efforts as a way of supporting them, but when they take it down, it's like they're stabbing us in the back. And the thing is, if Nintendo continues to do this, they will lose their fan base and it makes me even more so want to pirate their games, just because they're taking down their fan's creativity and imagination.

And I'm really saddened to hear that freeShop has been a victim of a DMCA takedown notice. It doesn't even matter how much a person discourages piracy or even how much a person avoids Homebrew or even any form of reverse engineering, Nintendo is still going to find something that they can C&D towards. I remember way back in 2010 when sites like Serebii.net and many other sites were hit with a C&D just because they hosted screenshots of Pokémon Black/White Version.

Nintendo is not the only gaming enterprise that complains about fan games and reverse engineering, Sony Interactive Entertainment and Microsoft Studios have been well known to ban their users from their online network just because they've found them to be reverse engineering their games, as well as issuing a C&D (but they've also been known to take it to the extreme, such as suing the person for copyright infringement).

As far as I can see, this is only going to continue to get worse. It's only a matter of time before sites like GBATemp, PokéCommunity or even ROMHacking.net get hit with a C&D or DMCA notice.


*gasp* Please, don't ask for a link to such website. Otherwise if a person posts a link to a mirror, it's gonna place the whole GBATemp site in jeopardy. And I'd really hate to see such a great website known for reverse engineering to be hit with a C&D notice from Nintendo. ;-;
Well okay, no mirror then x), didn't think that one through. But is it possible to extract a game/homebrew back into a CIA for archival purposes?


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As far as I can see, this is only going to continue to get worse. It's only a matter of time before sites like GBATemp, PokéCommunity or even ROMHacking.net get hit with a C&D or DMCA notice
Were talking about the same company that tried to sue the game genie, besides, is not their first rodeo in court cases or doing these kinds of things. :ninja:
 
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