50 dead in Orlando nightclub mass shooting, worst in US history

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I'M Christian and I largely agree with this lol
I'm a Christian, and I highly disagree with this. Among the hardcore bible-thumpers who tend to rely on the law of the Old Testament, there ARE a few of us who'd rather focus on the life of Jesus and his teachings as a reference. 2 laws come into mind here. "Love thy God with all thy heart" and "love thy neighbor as ye love thyself". Not to mention "he without sin may cast first stone". Let's not forget, according to the gospel, he associated himself with people who would likely be considered the "outcasts and criminals" for lack of better wording. Extremism and institutionalizations have done terrible things, and that can't be denied though.

My heart goes out to the family, and communities affected by this. My brother is gay and I'm a proud groomsman in his wedding. I hope I never have to suffer news like this involving him and his fiancé.
 

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Also, this guy used a AK *which he bought legally* so even if anyone else there did have a good, it would have been too late. Again I have to post this picture.
Well what if this country was like Switzerland where everyone has a gun? do you think he would of been stopped or not? (genuine curious about your answer)
 

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st Murder and Theft and Rape doesn't stop them... so they should be legal?


Hell, trained soldiers still have a problem with Friendly Fire, and you expect un-trained yokels to be able to do better?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/22/american-troops-friendly-fire-iraq

I'm not saying it would happen less, I'm saying it would not happen as long.

Also why would you give a gun to an untrained person? I'm trained to cut with butcher knives by a butcher, and I still occasionally cut myself. Should knives be illegal too? They're really really sharp!
I don't think most people should have guns, but making them harder to get won't help anything.

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Lmao, don't generalize gun control and one of the best guns for killing ever invented. No citizen has a need for a fucking AK-47. Purchasing a gun specially designed to mow people down is a terrible thing to do, let alone it be legal.
 
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I'm not saying it would happen less, I'm saying it would not happen as long.

Also why would you give a gun to an untrained person?

But that's the thing.. a large portion of gun owners are not trained at all. If training was part of what it took to get a gun, I'd be all for it. But it's not. It's actually easier for me in Georgia to go to a gunshow and buy a random gun, than it is for me to get my ID renewed.

And again... This picture kinda says it all.

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Well what if this country was like Switzerland where everyone has a gun? do you think he would of been stopped or not? (genuine curious about your answer)

However again.. This requires training and takes more than walking into a gun store/show to buy it.

I'm not saying we should get guns, cause it never work.. But it should be a hell of a lot harder than buying a car.
 

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I see what you mean there at the end and this is something worth going over kindly.
There are 2 sides to that with 2 good points.
1 side says.... If guns are legal then law abiding people can get them to protect their homes.
1 other side says.... If anyone can get a gun then someone can at any point turn into a criminal.
1 says that George Washington said that the end of the country would be when we lost our right to bear arms.
1 says that if the country has the power to destroy itself then it will.
which one do we choose?
I've done a bit of research on this, and I think I've found the best compromise that I'll ever find by myself:

A control method composed of 5 separate parts based entirely on accountability that are 100% enforceable

1) All weapons need to be registered
. Huge shocker there (not), if the gun can be tied back to you it is significantly less likely that you will use it in a crime.
2) All ammunition needs to require a gun license and ownership of a registered firearm.
. "Buh, buh, the Second Amendment!" See point 1. Can your friends use it? Sure. But the purchase can be tied back to you.
3) All weapons need to be micro-chipped
. "Sorry officer, I lost my gun ages ago" "Did you report it missing?" "......." Micro-chipping would help with locating firearms and determining if the right gun is in the hands it's supposed to be in, which ties into...
4) You DO NOT allow anyone to handle your firearm without your permission
. Self explanatory. If the weapon is in the wrong hands and is not reported, the original owner is to be convicted as an accessory to whatever crime was committed with the weapon.
5) If you are in or near a gun free zone and see a weapon, REPORT IT IMMEDIATELY
. I have read incident after incident where a student who carried a firearm on a college campus is only given a light slap on the wrist. This is DANGEROUS. Not only does this show that officials will be lenient about enforcing gun laws, but it also means that if there is a hostage and/or shooting situation, you will most likely end up hindering first responder action if they cannot tell who the shooter is, potentially causing more unnecessary bloodshed

I'm a Christian, and I highly disagree with this. Among the hardcore bible-thumpers who tend to rely on the law of the Old Testament, there ARE a few of us who'd rather focus on the life of Jesus and his teachings as a reference. 2 laws come into mind here. "Love thy God with all thy heart" and "love thy neighbor as ye love thyself". Not to mention "he without sin may cast first stone". Let's not forget, according to the gospel, he associated himself with people who would likely be considered the "outcasts and criminals" for lack of better wording. Extremism and institutionalizations have done terrible things, and that can't be denied though.

My heart goes out to the family, and communities affected by this. My brother is gay and I'm a proud groomsman in his wedding. I hope I never have to suffer news like this involving him and his fiancé.
And I also agree with this :3 This is the ideology that I base my life around, actually
 

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Yeah... Jesus only had one lesson, "Don't be a dick" shame most Vocal Christians can't follow that rule, instead turn to murdering doctors and hating others.

BTW... The hating on abortion started just because Christians couldn't hate on blacks anymore *no.. I'm serious*

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...ort_for_segregation_not_against_abortion.html

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2014/05/30/the-christian-right-started-over-segregation/

http://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/
 
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It completely disgusts me how many people have turned this into a way of pushing their political agenda. Completely disrespectful to the people who died

Weather you like it or not, it's inevitable, if only because we have problems with the same things happening again and again in this country. From the religious nuts in all religions, to those that fear any different people coming out of the woodwork to profess how right they where that we should fear someone.

Also.. these issues have to be looked at? If not now.. when?
 
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That goes to show you miss the whole point of the image.
That you can only buy assault rifles in US? Still seems like a pretty lame piece of amateur liberal propaganda. In the cartoon he is a laser cannon, the toy is a pistol, but why use him at all?

Edit: Galvatron was the cannon. Sorry, it's been a while.
 
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Okay.. The fact you can go into a store and legally buy an assault rifle... but you can't buy a toy -because- it turns into a realistic looking gun doesn't strike you as stupid?
 

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I never realized the toy was banned. The wording of the image doesn't make the point immediately obvious. Like, to me, it looked like you could only buy ARs in US, but you could buy Megatron anywhere... in the 80s.
 
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IT IS 2016 AND WE ARE STILL KILLING OVER TRIVIAL SHIT LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY, RELIGION, AND SKIN TONE.

No, it is 2016 and they are killing over such things.

It's absurd to say that when an ISIS-inspired terrorist kills gays that "we" are killing gays.

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Okay.. The fact you can go into a store and legally buy an assault rifle... but you can't buy a toy -because- it turns into a realistic looking gun doesn't strike you as stupid?

You cannot go into a store and legally buy an assault rifle, despite media misreporting.
 

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I really think that gays should be arming themselves and carrying after this. That is their right.

Florida law doesn't permit carrying a weapon in an establishment that serves alcohol. The club was basically a gun-free zone; no chance for any of the customers to arm themselves.

If you're suggesting that Florda gun laws be changed so that the gays in clubs there could arm themselves, that's fair enough.
 
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