Hacking Gateway support for Firmware 9.0 – 9.2 Coming

[Lordjontan]

GW team is the best thing that has happened to the scene. They screwed up with the brick code that affected his own customers (I don't give a damn the clone's bricks), But they have given in general an excellent support to his clients

 

[davhuit]

imitation is the best form of saying "we weren't good enough"

Ironic that Sky3DS managed to function on 4.5+ firmwares and now GateWay suddenly claims they have reached a "milestone"

inb4stolencode

Look like there is certainly no "honor among thieves" in the DS piracy market. That's for sure.

At least, if you copy something, do it properly !

 

[KennyMckormick]

Aaaaand that's still not one bit better.

They "sound" just fine in English, they might not be 100% accurate though.

If you want a more accurate analogy, I'd have to use Benz - after all, he did invent the flat internal combustion engine. Now, let's say that Benz designed it in such a way that those engines would explode if they were not in a Benz car... except they wouldn't explode immediately, rather in a few decades. You would have a whole lot of exploding cars right now, and frankly, that would be Benz' fault.

Yeap. Doesn't make it any better but at least it's more accurate.

 

[Armadillo]

All forgetting one thing though, r4i etc was 100% original work. R4i team told us so, and a flashcart team wouldn't just lie

 

[eriols]

so should I sell my 3ds xl soon and buy the new 3ds xl. I wonder why no one is trying to hack the vita >.>

 

[Foxi4]

Yeap. Doesn't make it any better but at least it's more accurate.

Happy to improve on my analogies just for you, Kenny - normally I don't put a lot of work into what I write at 4:30 AM.

All forgetting one thing though, r4i etc was 100% original work. R4i team told us so, and a flashcart team wouldn't just lie

Completely irrelevant, but fair enough, I don't want to split hairs. In my book, both parties are responsible. You don't sell cereal with rat poison in it on the off chance that rats might eat some of your stock.

 

[davhuit]

Aaaaand that's still not one bit better.

They "sound" just fine in English (I would know, English is sort of my profession), they might not be 100% accurate though.

If you want a more accurate analogy, I'd have to use Benz - after all, he did invent the flat internal combustion engine. Now, let's say that Benz designed it in such a way that it would explode if it was installed in a non-Benz car... except not immediately, rather in a few decades. You would have a whole lot of exploding cars right now, and frankly, that would be Benz' fault.

Depend if the cars were legal or not. If they weren't, it would be the fault of the three parts, the original creator, the cloner, and the customer, if he know he was buying a car that isn't approved for use.

About the gateway brick, it's also the fault of the three parts. Gateway team, who put a code brick, and affected some of their geniune customers, the cloner because he copied it badly, if not he should have noticed the brick code, and also the fault of the customer, who bought such a device knowing it could screw it's 3DS (Nintendo give enough warning to not use them so no one can say "I didn't know it was an illegal device when it's a device used to pirate games").

 

[Foxi4]

Depend if the cars were legal or not. If they weren't, it would be the fault of the three parts, the original creator, the cloner, and the customer, if he know he was buying a car that isn't approved for use.

Precisely. And with that in mind, I'm not absolving any party involved. Gateway is responsible because they invented the code in the first place, the cloners are responsible because they didn't test the launcher properly and the customer is responsible because he/she shoved the equivalent of a soggy toast (in licensing terms) into his/her 3DS for the sake of running (more than likely) illegal software.

 

[Armadillo]

Completely irrelevant, but fair enough, I don't want to split hairs. In my book, both parties are responsible. You don't sell cereal with rat poison in it because on the off chance that rats might eat some of your stock.

Honestly, I didn't expect a reply to that. It was more a a dig at the whole clone supporters at the time claiming "not clone, original work", right up until the brick code, then happily admitting clone, just to blame Gateway.

 

[davhuit]

I was editing my message when you quoted it, and so we agree then, as I wrote the three parts were responsible

Depend if the cars were legal or not. If they weren't, it would be the fault of the three parts, the original creator, the cloner, and the customer, if he know he was buying a car that isn't approved for use.

About the gateway brick, it's also the fault of the three parts. Gateway team, who put a code brick, and affected some of their geniune customers, the cloner because he copied it badly, if not he should have noticed the brick code, and also the fault of the customer, who bought such a device knowing it could screw it's 3DS (Nintendo give enough warning to not use them so no one can say "I didn't know it was an illegal device and it bricked my 3DS", when it's a device used to pirate games").

 

[Foxi4]

Honestly, I didn't expect a reply to that. It was more a a dig at the whole clone supporters at the time claiming "not clone, original work", right up until the brick code, then happily admitting clone, just to blame Gateway.

As it was said earlier, no honour among thieves.

 

[davhuit]

Of course

What is funny is that if the 3DS was region-free, I wouldn't even have a gateway I bought it mainly for japanese games (for Haikyuu, at the beginning).

Just supposed that if Nintendo region-locked the 3DS, it meant they didn't wanted my money for foreign games and so that I would respect their desires and not give them my money for such games

I wouldn't have locked it if I were them, it's just a potential loss of sales/money. I would have just lock the eshop, if required, but not actual carts.

 

[Foxi4]

Nintendo's region locking strategy makes completely no sense at all. It used to be a big deal and a necessary evil back in the PAL/NTSC days, but right now it's just a thing of the past that they desperately cling to in order to uphold their decentralized structure. It exists solely to ensure that one branch of the company doesn't benefit from customers under another branch's jurisdiction. For instance, NoE doesn't want Europeans to buy games imported from the U.S. - that's giving "European" money to NoA, the American branch. It's a bit silly in the age of globalization, but what can you do. Hopefully they'll wake up one day and realize what world they live in - so far they seem to be from another planet altogether.

 

[Abcdfv]

no to update GW fw you just update the launcher on the 3ds SD , but to do a FPGA update of the red GW card ,like we had to do when the multirom feature was added you need to update the card through the ds mode GW menu
but we dont even know if this new 9.x thing will even require an FPGA update yet

Nope, the code to update the FPGA is contained inside of the launcher.dat
The only thing the blue card exploit does is corrupt the ds profile so that attempting to load it causes unsigned code to point to the launcher, which does all the everything.

 

[Armadillo]

I always felt the whole PAL/NTSC thing was just another excuse, because they didn't want to say "we don't want money from X region, going to Y region".

It's not like you could just buy imports off the shelf back then, you had to go out of you way to get them. Anyone buying them would know what equipment they need to display them properly.

 

[Foxi4]

I always felt the whole PAL/NTSC thing was just another excuse, because they didn't want to say "we don't want money from X region, going to Y region".

It's not like you could just buy imports off the shelf back then, you had to go out of you way to get them. Anyone buying them would know what equipment they need to display them properly.

I suppose they figured it wasn't self-explanatory enough and wanted to spare the tech support complaints about systems suddenly displaying in grayscale or at a wrong aspect ratio. It was a genuine technological concern... one that doesn't exist anymore in the HD era and one that never existed on handheld systems anyways.

 

[Rob Blou]

Easy.
They will release the new update between now and 2050
As usual

And yes "blue card" is blocked, it is "just" a basic R4 clone.
Heard it was blocked from 6.x or 7.x now...

I wouldn't mind if they wait until 2015 if it makes it compatible with NA N3DS

 

[LurkerA]

Regarding to GW's official news - "support for firmware 9.0~9.2 and new3DS, 2DS...", I've heard sth interesting today: "...they are just planing to release kind of device(of course you gotta pay for it) to downgrade all consoles (including new3DS) from V9.0~V9.2 back to the damn V4.5, so that their clients can still use emuNand, menu...for those higher version games! That's also why they asked their fanboys, who owned GW card and a V4.5 console to stay there, don't upgrade to V9.0~9.2!...."

 

[davhuit]

I suppose they figured it wasn't self-explanatory enough and wanted to spare the tech support complaints about systems suddenly displaying in grayscale or at a wrong aspect ratio. It was a genuine technological concern... one that doesn't exist anymore in the HD era and one that never existed on handheld systems anyways.

Depend, because they changed the shape of SNES (USA) cartridges to avoid the use of japanese cartridges that definitively works perfectly on an US system (and same, US cartrides works perfectly on a JP system) if you just remove the plastic cover of the SNES, so I'm don't think it's was just a technical thing, even back to those days.

What is weird with 3DS is that DS was region-free. I heard the region-lock is because of the eshop (DS don't have a shop and is region-free, DSi have a sort of shop and games with DSi functions are region-locked, like Pokemon Black/White 2), but if it's true (I doubt it), they could just region-lock the eshop only).

Or they can just leave the developpers choose if it's region-locked or not, like the XBOX 360.

Anyway, it's their loss, not mine. I don't even know why I'm "complaining" as it made me spare some money for foreign games.

 

[Foxi4]

Regarding to GW's official news - "support for firmware 9.0~9.2 and new3DS, 2DS...", I've heard sth interesting today: "...they are just planing to release kind of device(of course you gotta pay for it) to downgrade all consoles (including new3DS) from V9.0~V9.2 back to the damn V4.5, so that their clients can still use emuNand, menu...for those higher version games! That's also why they asked their fanboys, who owned GW card and a V4.5 console to stay there, don't upgrade to V9.0~9.2!...."

That's actually impossible to pull off, simply because those systems wouldn't work. the New3DS uses upgraded hardware and the 2DS has one screen instead of two, so I'm guessing the firmware has to account for that. It's a lot like the PS3's minimum praxis - you can only downgrade to a certain point depending on the model. That, and, well, they'd be the first to successfully downgrade a system without a previously made NAND dump.