Hacking WiiFlow - an open source GUI USB-Loader

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
I bought a new hdd (seagate expension 2TB) today to try out wiiflow but can't seem to get it to work. Currently, starting any game through wiiflow will result in a black screen followed with a restart back to the wii menu.

The version i'm using is wiiflow 4.2.1

I did a syscheck and as far as i can see everything looks okay but i hope that one of you guys can see a problem here.

[spoiler]
SysCheck v2.2.0 HD Edition by Double_A and R2-D2199, JoostinOnline, Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
System Menu 4.2E (v482)

Drive date: 05.26.2006
Homebrew Channel 1.0.8 running on IOS58

Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: 69894233
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country: Netherlands (94)
Boot2 v2
Found 206 titles.
Found 42 IOS on this console. 1 of them are stub.

IOS4 (rev 3): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS11 (rev 10): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 12): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 1040): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Access, NAND Access
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS51 (rev 4633): Trucha Bug
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6687): No Patches
IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS245[37] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS246[38] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS247[53] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS248[55] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS251[58] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v2
MIOS v5
[/spoiler]

Is your hard disk formatted with a single FAT32 partition (no hidden or NTFS partitions?)

Do you have WiiFlow loaded on the hard disk or an SD card?
 

Sonic_Crash [NL]

Active Member
Newcomer
Joined
Feb 22, 2007
Messages
34
Trophies
0
Age
32
Website
Visit site
XP
229
Country
Netherlands
Is your hard disk formatted with a single FAT32 partition (no hidden or NTFS partitions?)

Do you have WiiFlow loaded on the hard disk or an SD card?


The hdd consists of a single FAT32 partition and WiiFlow is loaded on the sd card. Also, i noticed that the homebrew channel crashes if i choose hdd 1 as source.
 

spacepimp

Pathalogical Fantasist
Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2012
Messages
457
Trophies
1
Location
Off the Island
XP
434
Country
I am not sure but I think I have seen something bout how to change the Boot Up animation of WiiFlow?

THX fellas again for all the help :yaywii:

Abz's guide is in his sig, maybe you saw it there?
http://gbatemp.net/topic/330880-changing-wiiflow-boot-animation/

The guide looks complicated, well I was intimidated by it, but it's just installing a few bits, finding tortoise svn's right click menu, and maybe a bit of copying and pasting.

Just a couple of updates - note the collective size of all the images can't add up to over 18.5kb*, and the dimensions (in pixels) must be a multiple of 8 - eg 100x200 is not ok, because 100 isn't divisible by 8 - 96x200, 80x200, (64x64, 128x128?) are all cool.

Once you can compile wiiflow - and it is doable - all you need to do, really, is replace the wait jpgs with your own.

if you want it to repeat one way instead of back and forth, you just copy and paste 2 lines.

clean, make, done :)

if you get more adventurous, you can use any number of frames (keeping under 18.5kb!), and some things work better with png compression - the guide's there for the more complicated stuff - scroll further down Abz's thread for updates on using .pngs!

*Although, feel free to experiment! There's been a lot of mem2 freed up apparently - I don't know the significance of this for boot animations, so don't expect it to work :)
Keeping things under 18.5kb makes it an interesting challenge. For me, anyway!
 

Sonic_Crash [NL]

Active Member
Newcomer
Joined
Feb 22, 2007
Messages
34
Trophies
0
Age
32
Website
Visit site
XP
229
Country
Netherlands
The hdd consists of a single FAT32 partition and WiiFlow is loaded on the sd card. Also, i noticed that the homebrew channel crashes if i choose hdd 1 as source.


Just tried using the emunand included in abz wiiflow masterpack and got some mixed results.

For some reason the wii will still bring me back to the wii menu but some games will be loaded in the disc channel and are actually playable through the disc channel, and other games show other behaviour.

Red Steel 2 shows up in disc channel
Xenoblade shows up in disc channel
Mario galaxy 2 will result in Red Steel 2 showing up in disc channel
Dead space will result in Red Steel 2 showing up in disc channel

So i figured i wanted to see what happenes if i delete Red Steel 2 and load one of these games, and it resulted in the message: "This is not a Wii or GC disc". (Except for Xenoblade. This one still shows up in the disc channel)

What is going on here? :unsure:
 

FIX94

Former Staff
Former Staff
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
7,284
Trophies
0
Age
30
Location
???
XP
11,248
Country
Germany
Also, i noticed that the homebrew channel crashes if i choose hdd 1 as source.

that is REALLY bad, the homebrew channel is extremly stable and should be pretty much crashproof, a crash basically means something with the hdd must be seriously wrong. I would suggest backing up your data, then doing a low level hdd format, then reformatting to fat32 using easeus.
 

Sonic_Crash [NL]

Active Member
Newcomer
Joined
Feb 22, 2007
Messages
34
Trophies
0
Age
32
Website
Visit site
XP
229
Country
Netherlands
that is REALLY bad, the homebrew channel is extremly stable and should be pretty much crashproof, a crash basically means something with the hdd must be seriously wrong. I would suggest backing up your data, then doing a low level hdd format, then reformatting to fat32 using easeus.


There may be something wrong with the hdd indeed. I did check for bad sectors when i got it out of the plastic yesterday but nothing came up.
Just tried with an old 1T ntfs and a 2GB Flash drive and both of them seem to work just fine in the homebrew channel. Going to try out a low level hdd format now.

update: Haha, the format takes 18 hours at 30MB/s

update 2: In the meantime, i remodded with ModWii and tried to get it working with the ntfs hdd and it gave me the same result. Switched usb port again and it worked perfectly. I guess the remodding fixed it for me. Gonna try with my new hdd again next monday. Thanks for the help guys.
 

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
Since we are talking about odd problems here's one that I've been having lately.

I am using r1059 on a 2TB single FAT32 partition Seagate drive. I'm using 10.1 (alt) in USB port 0 but I've also confirmed this happens with v10 and all the way back to v8 final.

If I wipe the wiiflow.ini and settings/gameconfig files - essentially a clean new setup I can play a few games and it will return to the WiiFlow screen but after running a few games I get a screen dump. Below is my debug output. This appears to happen on anything post r1054. If I go back to r1054 I can play games w/o screen dumps.


screen shot capture

Code:
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game RUUE01
Cleanup Coverflow
SHND: Stopping sound thread
SHND: Stopped sound thread
MEM1_freesize(): 10248176
MEM2_freesize(): 43347968
Game ID# RUUE01 requested IOS 38. User selected 0
Changed requested IOS to 249.
Reloading IOS into 249
Reloading into IOS 249 from 58...
FAT Partition at sd: unmounted.
FAT Partition at usb1: unmounted.
Deinit ISFS
AHBPROT after IOS Reload: 1
patched isfs_permissions 0 times.
Init ISFS
D2X IOS249[56] v10
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
Return to channel DWFA using d2x succeeded.
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game RUUE01
Cleanup Coverflow
SHND: Stopping sound thread
SHND: Stopped sound thread
MEM1_freesize(): 10248176
MEM2_freesize(): 43347968
Game ID# RUUE01 requested IOS 38. User selected 0
Changed requested IOS to 249.
Reloading IOS into 249
Reloading into IOS 249 from 58...
FAT Partition at sd: unmounted.
FAT Partition at usb1: unmounted.
Deinit ISFS
AHBPROT after IOS Reload: 1
patched isfs_permissions 0 times.
Init ISFS
D2X IOS249[56] v10
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
Return to channel DWFA using d2x succeeded.
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game RUUE01
Cleanup Coverflow
SHND: Stopping sound thread
SHND: Stopped sound thread
MEM1_freesize(): 10248176
MEM2_freesize(): 43347968
Game ID# RUUE01 requested IOS 38. User selected 0
Changed requested IOS to 249.
Reloading IOS into 249
Reloading into IOS 249 from 58...
FAT Partition at sd: unmounted.
FAT Partition at usb1: unmounted.
Deinit ISFS
AHBPROT after IOS Reload: 1
patched isfs_permissions 0 times.
Init ISFS
D2X IOS249[56] v10
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
Return to channel DWFA using d2x succeeded.
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game S7DE52
Cleanup Coverflow
SHND: Stopping sound thread
SHND: Stopped sound thread
MEM1_freesize(): 10309616
MEM2_freesize(): 43347968
Game ID# S7DE52 requested IOS 56. User selected 0
Changed requested IOS to 249.
Reloading IOS into 249
Reloading into IOS 249 from 58...
FAT Partition at sd: unmounted.
FAT Partition at usb1: unmounted.
Deinit ISFS
AHBPROT after IOS Reload: 1
patched isfs_permissions 0 times.
Init ISFS
D2X IOS249[56] v10
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
Return to channel DWFA using d2x succeeded.
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game S7DE52
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game SAWE52
Cleanup Coverflow
SHND: Stopping sound thread
SHND: Stopped sound thread
MEM1_freesize(): 10334192
MEM2_freesize(): 43347968
Game ID# SAWE52 requested IOS 56. User selected 0
Changed requested IOS to 249.
Reloading IOS into 249
Reloading into IOS 249 from 58...
FAT Partition at sd: unmounted.
FAT Partition at usb1: unmounted.
Deinit ISFS
AHBPROT after IOS Reload: 1
patched isfs_permissions 0 times.
Init ISFS
D2X IOS249[56] v10
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
Return to channel DWFA using d2x succeeded.
 
Welcome to WiiFlow (Beta 4.2.1-r1059)!
This is the debug output.
Real Wii
WiiFlow is in real nand mode
IOS58 v6176
patched isfs_permissions 1 times.
patched es_setuid 1 times.
patched es_identify 1 times.
patched hash_check 0 times.
patched new_hash_check 1 times.
Init ISFS
Found WiiFlow Save
FAT Partition at sd: mounted.
Changing USB port to port 0....
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* HDD Information
* Sectors: 3907029166
* Size [Sector Size]: 1.956 TB [512]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
FAT Partition at usb1: mounted.
SHND: Running sound thread
Wiiflow boot.dol Location: usb1:/apps/wiiflow
Wii Games Directory: %s:/wbfs
m_mios_ver = 1; m_sd_dm = 1; m_new_dml = 1; m_new_dm_cfg = 1
Loading cIOS map
Found cIOS in slot 222
Found cIOS in slot 223
Found cIOS in slot 224
Found d2x base 56 in slot 249
Found d2x base 57 in slot 250
Found d2x base 58 in slot 251
Data Directory: usb1:/wiiflow
Creating Gamelist
Games found: 1200
Update Play log
Launching game S7DE52
 

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
Is anyone else running a rev later than 1054? If so please try running a few games one after another without exiting WiiFlow and see if it crashes. TIA.
 

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
what is a ssd drive?? if you mean a hhd drive check out western digital. i havnt had any issue's ever

SSD stands for solid state drive... no moving parts, much faster than a regular hard disk. I've used a couple on the Wii and they worked but the speed wasn't much faster than a regular hard disk since the limiting factor is the USB 2.0 interface.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jammybudga777

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
Has anyone tested r1055 or later? I think there is a problem with the new memory manager or something else where if you run a few games it code dumps. Can someone else check on their system? TIA.
 

bostonBC

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
1,304
Trophies
1
XP
1,416
Country
United States
I'll check today, I have a 2TB HDD (512kb low level sectors), just run a game exit to wiiflow, rinse and repeat?

Yes, I do it a few times with post r1054 and it code dumps. Be sure that you have it set to return to WiiFlow as if you run it once and exit back to the main channel menu and re-run WiiFlow and then a game it works fine. Seems like several times and then it code dumps.

Thanks!
 

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Jayro @ Jayro:
    Eventhough the New 3DS XL is more powerful, I still feel like the DS Lite was a more polished system. It's a real shame that it never got an XL variant keeping the GBA slot. You'd have to go on AliExpress and buy an ML shell to give a DS phat the unofficial "DS Lite" treatment, and that's the best we'll ever get I'm afraid.
    +1
  • Jayro @ Jayro:
    The phat model had amazingly loud speakers tho.
    +1
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @Jayro, I don't see whats so special about the DS ML, its just a DS lite in a phat shell. At least the phat model had louder speakers, whereas the lite has a much better screen.
    +1
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    They probably said "Hey, why not we combine the two together and make a 'new' DS to sell".
  • Veho @ Veho:
    It's a DS Lite in a slightly bigger DS Lite shell.
    +1
  • Veho @ Veho:
    It's not a Nintendo / iQue official product, it's a 3rd party custom.
    +1
  • Veho @ Veho:
    Nothing special about it other than it's more comfortable than the Lite
    for people with beefy hands.
    +1
  • Jayro @ Jayro:
    I have yaoi anime hands, very lorge but slender.
  • Jayro @ Jayro:
    I'm Slenderman.
  • Veho @ Veho:
    I have hands.
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    imagine not having hands, cringe
    +1
  • AncientBoi @ AncientBoi:
    ESPECIALLY for things I do to myself :sad:.. :tpi::rofl2: Or others :shy::blush::evil:
    +1
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    @SylverReZ if you could find a v5 DS ML you would have the best of both worlds since the v5 units had the same backlight brightness levels as the DS Lite unlockable with flashme
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    but that's a long shot
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    i think only the red mario kart edition phat was v5
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    A woman with no arms and no legs was sitting on a beach. A man comes along and the woman says, "I've never been hugged before." So the man feels bad and hugs her. She says "Well i've also never been kissed before." So he gives her a kiss on the cheek. She says "Well I've also never been fucked before." So the man picks her up, and throws her in the ocean and says "Now you're fucked."
    +1
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    lmao
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    anyways, we need to re-normalize physical media

    if i didn't want my games to be permanent, then i'd rent them
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Agreed, that why I try to buy all my games on disc, Xbox anyways. Switch games (which I pirate tbh) don't matter much, I stay offline 24/7 anyways.
  • AncientBoi @ AncientBoi:
    I don't pirate them, I Use Them :mellow:. Like I do @BigOnYa 's couch :tpi::evil::rofl2:
    +1
  • cearp @ cearp:
    @BakerMan - you can still "own" digital media, arguably easier and better than physical since you can make copies and backups, as much as you like.

    The issue is DRM
  • cearp @ cearp:
    You can buy drm free games / music / ebooks, and if you keep backups of your data (like documents and family photos etc), then you shouldn't lose the game. but with a disk, your toddler could put it in the toaster and there goes your $60

    :rofl2:
  • cearp @ cearp:
    still, I agree physical media is nice to have. just pointing out the issue is drm
    cearp @ cearp: still, I agree physical media is nice to have. just pointing out the issue is drm