Hacking How can anyone be okay with Gateway's behavior?

[osirisjem]

Companies can be held responsible (at least legally) for damages arising from the use of their product

I agree.

However, Gateway has *ZERO* liability for what firmware r4i distributes to their customers.
The bricked consoles are the responsibility of r4i.
Gateway didn't force r4i to use any firmware. r4i chose what firmware to include.

r4i is the incompetent company that should be sued.

They didn't know it would happen, it wasn't done intentionally.

Irrelevant.
r4i is liable.
Gateway has 100% zero liability for what firmware r4i distributes.
Suggesting otherwise is just wishing.

 

[gamesquest1]

Yay more absurd analogies......

 

[DaggerV]

I don't know why people are attacking Gateway, they put anti-piracy on their piracy device.

 

[osirisjem]

r4i didn't know it would happen

And that's the important part here.
Don't buy products from companies that are clueless and can't make or support the crap they are selling.

"not knowing" is not a legal excuse.

 

[Huntereb]

they put anti-piracy on their piracy device.

Well you just named the reason, didn't you?

 

[wintermute808]

I agree.

However, Gateway has *ZERO* liability for what firmware r4i distributes to their customers.
The bricked consoles are the responsibility of r4i.
Gateway didn't force r4i to use any firmware. r4i chose what firmware to include.

r4i is the incompetent company that should be sued.

*** Slow clap ***

 

[Ryukouki]

I don't know why people are attacking Gateway, they put anti-piracy on their piracy device.

Anti-piracy does not give you the right to damage consoles irreparably.

 

[Xzi]

Anti-piracy does not give you the right to damage consoles irreparably.

Then again, we threw out all our rights and guarantees when we started using flash carts.

 

[Lunai]

*** Slow clap ***

R4i is the incompetent company that should be sued.
>company that should be sued.
>should be sued.
>sued.
*holds up the canned laughter sign*

 

[gamefan5]

Anti-piracy does not give you the right to damage consoles irreparably.

Then again, we threw out all our rights and guarantees when we started using flash carts.

True, on both cases. XD

 

[Ryukouki]

Then again, we threw out all our rights and guarantees when we started using flash carts.

True, but there are still many other mechanisms that could have been utilized, instead of flat out destroying someone's hardware. :/ We can definitely call inception here.

 

[osirisjem]

Anti-piracy does not give you the right to damage consoles irreparably.

r4i distributed the firmware that bricked their own customer's consoles.
This is r4i's fault.
The bad firmware was downloaded from r4i's site.
r4i gave it the go ahead for all their customers after "extensive testing".
The takehome message is that when reviewing 3DS carts .... if a company can't make their own firmware ... they can't be trusted. Ideally your pro-Gateway clones stance changes after all the bricked r4i consoles.

 

[Xzi]

True, but there are still many other mechanisms that could have been utilized, instead of flat out destroying someone's hardware. :/ We can definitely call inception here.

I would assume so, but I'm no code monkey. Not sure what other methods GW could have used to permanently disable the ability to copy their firmware.

 

[Ryukouki]

r4i distributed the firmware that bricked their own customer's consoles.
This is r4i's fault.
The bad firmware was downloaded from r4i's site.
The takehome message is that when reviewing 3DS carts .... if a company can't make their own firmware ... they can't be trusted. Ideally your pro-Gateway clones stance changes after all the bricked r4i consoles.

I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't paint me as some kind of freakshow that is pro-Gateway, thank you very much. For your information, I'm already on firmware 7.0 so I can't be pro anybody. ;P

 

[Lunai]

Perhaps they could have destroyed the launcher.dat in the SD, and write a new code that patches the DS profile exploit?

 

[Bat420maN]

New analogy...

Nintendo(really Nintendo)releases a awesome handheld.
Gateway(really Gateway)decides they can steal from Nintendo
R4i and 3DSLink(really R4i and 3DSLink)decide they can steal from Gateway
Gateway(really Gateway)decide they should be the only ones allowed to steal

How any one can defend any party involved in this other then Nintendo is beyond absurd.

 

[Armadillo]

New analogy...

Nintendo(really Nintendo)releases a awesome handheld.
Gateway(really Gateway)decides they can steal from Nintendo
R4i and 3DSLink(really R4i and 3DSLink)decide they can steal from Gateway
Gateway(really Gateway)decide they should be the only ones allowed to steal

How any one can defend any party involved in this other then Nintendo is beyond absurd.

Nintendo(really Nintendo)releases a awesome handheld.
Gateway(really Gateway)decides they can steal from Nintendo
Nintendo close exploit to block Gateway usage.
R4i and 3DSLink(really R4i and 3DSLink)decide they can steal from Gateway
Gateway(really Gateway) blocks clones by bricking 3ds.

Gateway just done what Nintendo and others have done (anti-piracy), just their chosen method is a little harsh.

 

[FAST6191]

Regarding the "if you hack then you risk a brick" ideas. Absolutely, I agree 100%. However it is far more palatable when such things happen as a result of hacked device manufacturers stepping up their game, as the result of user willing/directed but ill considered fiddling with low level mechanics, someone not following instructions, an unforeseen consequence born of an incomplete understanding of the device being hacked..... basically everything we have seen for years.

Here's what this all boils down to: I can understand why somebody with a bricked console would be legitimately angry. Everybody else full of faux outrage is simply mad that they wasted $40 to $50 on a clone card that can't be updated now.

Okay great, you disagree with Gateway's actions. What are you actually going to do about it? Not buy a Gateway cart? You already did that.

Personally I quite like the hacking scene, this, by which I mean Gateway's actions of seemingly letting intentional console bricking code out there, reflects very badly upon it. That is and continues to be my grievance.

Right now I am not going for active measures, I have more constructive things to do. However it now seems that they have an considerable amount of ill will on the part of this site's staff and I can not see that being a great position to be in should your products be what they are.

Gateway was not "going after end-users". They were trying to tarnish the competition's name. And they've done just that. You may hate Gateway, but they are now the only working 3DS flash cart.

If you want to be pissed at someone then be pissed at the people that stole Gateway's code and claimed it was their own. They're the ones that triggered this. They stole code, didn't test it, and now it has destroyed consoles. Who cares if Gateway did it on purpose? It was their competition's responsibility to check for this kind of thing before they go throwing out an update to all of their customers that destroyed their consoles.

It was a possibility and probably should have been accounted for at some level, to my knowledge such a thing has never happened before though in these circles (new security threats/attack vectors is not something you tend to spend your time contemplating). However Gateway doing it on purpose makes all the difference.

 

[Huntereb]

...and write a new code that patches the DS profile exploit?

There's no way to modify the 3DS's system image perminantly, yet.

 

[Bat420maN]

Nintendo(really Nintendo)releases a awesome handheld.
Gateway(really Gateway)decides they can steal from Nintendo
Nintendo close exploit to block Gateway usage.
R4i and 3DSLink(really R4i and 3DSLink)decide they can steal from Gateway
Gateway(really Gateway) blocks clones by bricking 3ds.

Gateway just done what Nintendo and others have done (anti-piracy), just their chosen method is a little harsh.

The point is that the stuff never belonged to Gateway to begin with. They are no better then the clones they are trying to kill. Any way you look at this it's Nintendo being stolen from.