Xuphor: Mostly lies, some truth

[gamefan5]

Regardless of rules, regardless of medium, lying like this is not okay. The internet is a form of communication like any other. I've met people on GBAtemp that I trust more than I do people in my own life. People like TrolleyDave. Devin, and exangel continue to prove that there are real people, with real stories everywhere on this digital world. Other's experiences may be different, but I feel like there is a line that should never be crossed, and this was one of them. I feel like the last three weeks here has been a goddamned episode of Southpark, and I'm not a happy camper. I'm sorry that I can't be a skeptical cynic like the rest of you, but I think that trust has to start somewhere. Xuphor's behavior is inexcusable, and while I think the second chance is up to the moderation staff, I do not agree with it.

I second this. Not because it affects me in any way, but because that means that others could do the same shit and go seemingly unpunished.

 

[evandixon]

I second this. Not because it affects me in any way, but because that means that others could do the same shit and go seemingly unpunished.

I don't think banning is necessary. Thanks to this thread, most of the forum knows Xuphor lied. This is a lot of negative attention. If the staff feels more punishment is needed, perhaps change Xuphor's title to "Liar".

Sometimes things come with their own consequences. People are now unlikely to believe anything Xuphor posts.

Of course I only skimmed the original thread, so others who were more involved may think differently, harboring a grudge. Not only does God require that we forgive others, scientific studies show that forgiveness makes you live longer. So let's move past this.
Xuphor, promise to yourself that you will never lie again. Not even a small white lie. If you stop lying, you can earn everyone's trust back. If you feel you need attention, do something productive. Do art. Learn a programming language and program things maybe. Perhaps write game reviews. Something that people will love you for, in a good way.

 

[Ericthegreat]

5 - My parents really disowned me when I was 11 ish. The reason for that is because I came out as gay and a furry togerther. They are diehard Catholics, and they swear I will go to hell when I die because of that. I also renounced my Catholic faith when I was 16, and turned Agnostic eventually. This obviously did not help matters.

Try talking to a Priest about it, I'm sure he will not tell you, you are sure to go to hell.... God doesnt hate gays, he specifically doesnt like guys who sleep with guys.

 

[gameandmatch]

Well here is my two cents: I was actually worried about you. Now it more like "Ok he lied about a good amount of things....Well I can't really get mad at them since I fell for it but I know others won't take this lightly."

 

[gamefan5]

I don't think banning is necessary. Thanks to this thread, most of the forum knows Xuphor lied. This is a lot of negative attention. If the staff feels more punishment is needed, perhaps change Xuphor's title to "Liar".

Sometimes things come with their own consequences. People are now unlikely to believe anything Xuphor posts.

Of course I only skimmed the original thread, so others who were more involved may think differently, harboring a grudge. Not only does God require that we forgive others, scientific studies show that forgiveness makes you live longer. So let's move past this.
Xuphor, promise to yourself that you will never lie again. Not even a small white lie. If you stop lying, you can earn everyone's trust back. If you feel you need attention, do something productive. Do art. Learn a programming language and program things maybe. Perhaps write game reviews. Something that people will love you for, in a good way.

Doesn't mean that everything in life is forgivable. 'Cause there are things that aren't. Those that were heavily involved in it have a right not to forgive. Betraying trust of others isn't something we can just shrug off. I'm done on this matter.

 

[evandixon]

Doesn't mean that everything in life is forgivable. 'Cause there are things that aren't. Those that were heavily involved in it have a right not to forgive. Betraying trust of others isn't so,ething we can just shrug off. I'm done on this matter.

Onely those who have never sinned have the right to not forgive. But that's no one here, so... yeah.

Damage has been done (at least not physically, from what I read), but can be repaired. Xuphor if he stops lying, and everyone else if they don't hold a grudge.

 

[gamefan5]

Onely those who have never sinned have the right to not forgive. But that's no one here, so... yeah.

Damage has been done (at least not physically, from what I read), but can be repaired. Xuphor if he stops lying, and everyone else if they don't hold a grudge.

Sorry but I do not entirely believe in everything religion says. That argument doesn't work on me. My apologies.

 

[Walker D]

Onely those who have never sinned have the right to not forgive. But that's no one here, so... yeah.

Damage has been done (at least not physically, from what I read), but can be repaired. Xuphor if he stops lying, and everyone else if they don't hold a grudge.

Forgiving? ..Sure

Avoiding proper consequences for a problem of this magnitude (that would probably be a ban) ? ..No

Some acts have consequences ..(this is not a Anarchist forum) ..and forgiveness has nothing to do with it (even though it's always good to forgive)

 

[Sterling]

Onely those who have never sinned have the right to not forgive. But that's no one here, so... yeah.

Damage has been done (at least not physically, from what I read), but can be repaired. Xuphor if he stops lying, and everyone else if they don't hold a grudge.

The word "forgive" is a terrible bandage. It's like marking over a penis drawing in the bathroom. The mark is still there, and if you look closely, you can see the 'throbbing' flesh of male genitalia. It's why "An eye for and eye" exists. Fair recompense, and retaliation is a way to provide closure. I have to say, punishment is definitely more satisfactory than "I forgive you" will ever be. Until the human race stops being a waste of space, people will just walk all over you with your mentality.

 

[Xarsah16]

Onely those who have never sinned have the right to not forgive. But that's no one here, so... yeah.

Damage has been done (at least not physically, from what I read), but can be repaired. Xuphor if he stops lying, and everyone else if they don't hold a grudge.

If you really want to bring religion into this, God gave humanity free will. Whether or not you believe in God, humans do have free will regardless. Free will in this circumstance can be defined as a choice to do right and a choice to do wrong, and a choice to forgive or a choice not to forgive.

Regardless if you are religious, you have to decide what's right and what's wrong, and whether you will forgive and forget or whether you will keep holding a grudge against others. I understand for some it is harder to forgive. That's the way it is after someone has "transgressed".

I've always believed it's far better to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Xuphor has apologized profusely for his mistakes. We've expressed our feelings, and it's time to give him a chance to fit in as his more open self and either treat him with respect or just use the ignore button in your settings if you decide to hold that grudge.

Think about your actions for a moment- about how they affect Xuphor. I'm 200% positive that all of this that has happened is on Xuphor's mind as well.

I also think this thread should be closed at this point, but that's just my personal opinion. Nothing we can say will change the past, and it's all about what happens next.

 

[yuyuyup]

If you really want to bring religion into this, God gave humanity free will. Whether or not you believe in God, humans do have free will regardless. Free will in this circumstance can be defined as a choice to do right and a choice to do wrong, and a choice to forgive or a choice not to forgive.

Regardless if you are religious, you have to decide what's right and what's wrong, and whether you will forgive and forget or whether you will keep holding a grudge against others. I understand for some it is harder to forgive. That's the way it is after someone has "transgressed".

I've always believed it's far better to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Xuphor has apologized profusely for his mistakes. We've expressed our feelings, and it's time to give him a chance to fit in as his more open self and either treat him with respect or just use the ignore button in your settings if you decide to hold that grudge.

Think about your actions for a moment- about how they affect Xuphor. I'm 200% positive that all of this that has happened is on Xuphor's mind as well.

I also think this thread should be closed at this point, but that's just my personal opinion. Nothing we can say will change the past, and it's all about what happens next.

You say he apologized profusely, but in his initial apology, the very first post, his tinypic picture is slathered with "I'M A FAGGOT" all over the place because he used those as searchable keywords for his pic. Is he trying to garner further sympathy with a ham-handed attempt at self pity? Seems like this guy is more than willing to toss gays/furries under the bus to further his attention grab.

 

[Sterling]

I'm not sure just suffering the constant malice of the forum members will be enough. Unlike most mediums, the internet has no face to face contact. Malice and such have a lesser impact due to the lack of body language to go with the tone and word choice... this is of course unless the Moderators allow us to harass him to a certain degree, in which case I say just get the ban over with now if it's going to cause further problems with the community. I mean little lies here and there are easy enough to just say "okay" and move on with our lives, but this one was absolutely too heinous on too many levels to be fix with a slap on the wrist, and unpleasant forum foreplay.


I for one took quite a bit of emotional interest in this. I took my time learning a bit more about the world, and how terrible the disease can get. I knew Xuphor (or rather thought I knew) enough to feel quite a bit of empathy for "her" and post encouragement to help "her" realize that this community cares about "her". I do not enjoy having my feelings stomped on in any medium in this fucking dimension or the next. There have been plenty of bans I thought were ridiculous, but never have I thought that someone should be banned for transgressions. Even through all the personal attacks I've had on me (which amount to maybe two people, with one other that I am not cool with), I have not once thought that these people should have been banned. However, with this case I find it insulting that he basically gets a slap on the wrist and continues about his daily life on the 'temp.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I do not advocate harassment of any kind. I've known people who have committed suicide because of internet bullying. As I have also been subjected to such travesties, I will never advocate shit like that.

 

[Forstride]

Meanwhile Valwin gets banned for harmlessly trolling Sony fanboys.

 

[Xarsah16]

You say he apologized profusely, but in his initial apology, the very first post, his tinypic picture is slathered with "I'M A FAGGOT" all over the place because he used those as searchable keywords for his pic. Is he trying to garner further sympathy with a ham-handed attempt at self pity? Seems like this guy is more than willing to toss gays/furries under the bus to further his attention grab.

No one completely changes overnight. I'm sure this is just as hard to deal with for Xuphor as it is for all of us.

I'm certain Xuphor just felt really bad about what happened and that was his way of showing it.

If you were Xuphor and did this, how would you react?

 

[Joe88]

Meanwhile Valwin gets banned for harmlessly trolling Sony fanboys.

he was banned and unbanned like 10 times...
and kept doing over and over again

 

[yuyuyup]

No one completely changes overnight. I'm sure this is just as hard to deal with for Xuphor as it is for all of us.

I'm certain Xuphor just felt really bad about what happened and that was his way of showing it.

If you were Xuphor and did this, how would you react?

Let's examine this line; "1 - I am not female, i just truly wish I was one. In truth, I am a very homosexual male, with a heavy fixation on furries."

"A very heavy fixation on furries" sounds to me like he's trying to pick up sympathy votes from gay and/or furry forum members. I personally would NOT try to garner sympathy in such a transparent fashion. I do NOT believe this person is remorseful in any way shape or form. I am given many warnings, I am personally at 70%. I do not beg for sympathy, I live with the consequences.

 

[Costello]

Translation: If your personal beliefs are different than my personal beliefs, you are terrible because believing something different from me is terrible.

if you hate homosexuals, you're homophobic
open a dictionary maybe? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homophobic geez

 

[Xarsah16]

Let's examine this line; "1 - I am not female, i just truly wish I was one. In truth, I am a very homosexual male, with a heavy fixation on furries."

"A very heavy fixation on furries" sounds to me like he's trying to pick up sympathy votes from gay and/or furry forum members. I personally would NOT try to garner sympathy in such a transparent fashion. I do NOT believe this person is remorseful in any way shape or form. I am given many warnings, I am personally at 70%. I do not beg for sympathy, I live with the consequences.

"A heavy fixation on furries" simply says to me that Xuphor is in deep with the furry community and it is just that much a part of his life.

That isn't trying to gain sympathy or remorse. What it shows is that maybe people just don't know Xuphor, and he's simply just saying who he is. Yes, people of the gay or furry community will be able to relate, but he's not specifically calling out to them.

 

[DinohScene]

People people!
Either express your "hate" or forgive Xuphor.
Xuph made this thread to express his guilt and asked for forgiveness.
Not for offtopic rant about homosexuality/different views/morals etc.

 

[Rydian]

Fine. I'll bite, and I'll bite hard.

• So back when we talked you sent me some "pictures" of "yourself". You told me you were so small and young-looking due to not having developed properly. You used the word "runt" allllll the time to describe yourself.
  
  *snip* I also don't feel comfortable with pictures of a strange girl plastered on this thread that may or may not get increasing amounts of traffic. We don't know who it is, and I'm sure her parent's wouldn't appreciate it. Not to say I'm blaming you at all Rydian. Just covering all the bases. -Twin
  
  ... who is this, actually? I do not feel comfortable having had those two pictures saved on my PC for such a long time now. :\
• Zoe, not only is that what I was told your "real" name was, but it's what other people that "know" "you" (Riolu, Juralp, etc.) have called you for years. How long have you been doing this shit?
• "Juralp" was your "roommate" and sometimes updated me with info from you previously. Does not exist, or perhaps hospital friend bored enough to help you out?

• Conversation with tomb----- at 3/13/2010 2:18:53 PM on rydianmorrison (aim)
  (2:18:52 PM) Tomb-----: hello, are you here?
  (2:19:05 PM) rydianmorrison: Er, yes?
  (2:19:42 PM) Tomb-----: i'm a friend of zuren's, juralp told me to tell you something
  (2:20:30 PM) Tomb-----: "zuren's been admitted to the psychiatric ward of the hospital, you may not see her for a while"

  I see your story really does change each time, eh?

• Conversation with juralp----- at Fri 02 Jul 2010 01:05:43 AM EDT on rydianmorrison (yahoo)
  (01:05:46 AM) juralp-----: hello?
  (01:06:06 AM) Rydian: Hey.
  (01:07:00 AM) juralp-----: just wanted to inform you that zoe's parent's funeral is tomorrow, she decided to leave tonight as it's far. she told me to tell everyone i know that knows her
  (01:07:11 AM) juralp-----: she'll be backl sometime late tomorrow
  (01:07:24 AM) Rydian: Okay, thank you.

  Plenty of stories?

I could probably dig up lots more, but I think this is enough for now...