Hacking $80 Gateway card worth it?

[GregoryRasputin]

There's a big difference between bitching about something an pointing out that you state your opinions as if they were facts when they're clearly not.

Fact, garyOPA is involved in this, this already makes it poison to me

You're entitled to your own opinion, but it's just that - an opinion.

Of course i am entitled to my opinion, but you keep telling me that my opinion is wrong, so what you are basically saying, im entitled to my opinion, as long as i agree with you

 

[RchUncleSkeleton]

To the people complaining about the price of games: Ever heard of buying used? You can pick up used games for half the new price or less depending on where and how hard you look. Craigslist is good for the Continental US and I believe Kijiji is a good one for Canada...then there's always eBay and used games stores. There's also to ability to see reviews and gameplay of games before you go out and purchase them so you don't waste money on something that blows.

 

[Foxi4]

Fact, garyOPA is involved in this, this already makes it poison to me

Personal prejudice is not exactly a good reason to advertise that people shouldn't buy a given product.

Of course i am entitled to my opinion, but you keep telling me that my opinion is wrong, so what you are basically saying, im entitled to my opinion, as long as i agree with you

I'm not disagreeing with your opinion, I'm disagreeing with what you state as facts, meaning:

• That this piece of hardware is overpriced (when all first-generation devices of its kind costed as much or more - even NES flashcarts sell for about $80-$100 and they're for an incredibly old system and a very narrow audience. Hell, GBC flashcarts sell for $40 and they're so simple that you could solder one together at home)
• That this is a rip-off (you can't call something a rip-off when there's literally no alternative)
• That not buying one will cause a price drop (it certainly will for a limited time period, but it will drastically lower the interest of manufacturers, making the creation of clones a business not worth getting into)

I'm 100% okay with it being too expensive or having too narrow functionality for you, but that doesn't make any of your opinions fact, so don't state them as if they were facts.

 

[aalokishere]

I think it would be an interesting situation to see people voice their thoughts on wanting to buy, but refusing to due to the price, thus forcing the gateway 3ds team and retailers to lower the price drastically or make absolutely nothing....but maybe that's me, maybe people enjoy spending this kind of money.
Just saying, consumers control the prices, especially if they were all unified.

But aren't we done for if they think their investment has no hope of showing a profit? I mean they could abandon the project.

 

[GregoryRasputin]

with it being too expensive or having too narrow functionality for you, but that doesn't make any of your opinions fact, so don't state them as if they were facts.

lol now you are dictating the way i should and shouldn't post

 

[Foxi4]

But aren't we done for if they think their investment has no hope of showing a profit? I mean they could abandon the project.

Exactly. If a given business is not profitable, why would any manufacturer willingly walk into one and start making products that just don't sell?

lol now you are dictating the way i should and shouldn't post

You can treat it as a recommendation, or in other words a "Pro Tip on how Netiquette works".

 

[DiabloStorm]

But aren't we done for if they think their investment has no hope of showing a profit? I mean they could abandon the project.

It's unlikely people interested in the cart would band together to begin with, really. The hardware maybe takes ~$5 to produce, they'd have to almost give it away for free to lose profit. They'd most likely be fine even if it was $25-30 and they'd still be rolling in cash, plus more people would buy so it may just even out.

 

[aalokishere]

It's unlikely people interested in the cart would band together to begin with, really. The hardware maybe takes ~$5 to produce, they'd have to almost give it away for free to lose profit. They'd most likely be fine even if it was $25-30 and they'd still be rolling in cash, plus more people would buy so it may just even out.

Dude you're just speculating the cost price and even if it is true there's research cost involved and if nintendo can really block this with an update maybe they want to cash in as quick as possible

 

[GregoryRasputin]

You can treat it as a recommendation, or in other words a "Pro Tip on how Netiquette works".

You can stick your "Pro Tip" up your ass.

You are fine to post your opinions as fact, or what you believe is fact, but because i wont get on the Gateway dick riding train, i automatically have a wrong opinion in your view.
I also find it funny, how you call you dictating to me a "recommendation", when i was recommending that the OP shouldn't buy this device you basically said i was wrong and shouldn't state my opinion in the way i decided to state it, perhaps you should learn your own pro tips before you try and teach others any

 

[Foxi4]

It's unlikely people interested in the cart would band together to begin with, really. The hardware maybe takes ~$5 to produce, they'd have to almost give it away for free to lose profit. They'd most likely be fine even if it was $25-30 and they'd still be rolling in cash, plus more people would buy so it may just even out.

The 3DS's hardware costs a little over $100 and it's still sold way higher then that - hell, it used to be sold for $250 if I recall correctly. Manufacturing price is not the only factor when pricing a product - you have to add all the costs of preparing a manufacturing line, distribution, packaging, promotion, R&D and a number of other important factors plus the profit margin.

You are fine to post your opinions as fact, or what you believe is fact, but because i wont get on the Gateway dick riding train, i automatically have a wrong opinion in your view.

When something is supported by evidence, in my case examples of different devices from various periods of time that had/have the same or higher price, it is fact. Just saying something's fact doesn't make it one. Damn, those cheap R4 clones really spoiled the community - people got very comfortable with flashcarts for $5.

 

[DiabloStorm]

Dude you're just speculating the cost price and even if it is true there's research cost involved and if nintendo can really block this with an update maybe they want to cash in as quick as possible

Which is another reason why I'm not rushing to buy this lol

 

[natkoden]

The 3DS's hardware costs a little over $100 and it's still sold way higher then that - hell, it used to be sold for $250 if I recall correctly. Manufacturing price is not the only factor when pricing a product - you have to add all the costs of preparing a manufacturing line, distribution, packaging, promotion, R&D and a number of other important factors plus the profit margin.

now we are comparing a console from a big company like Nintendo against a cheap falshcart made by... two chinese dudes

next, the PS3

 

[Foxi4]

Dude you're just speculating the cost price and even if it is true there's research cost involved and if nintendo can really block this with an update maybe they want to cash in as quick as possible

Flashcarts are being blocked with each and every 3DS/DSi update these days, but this doesn't stop DS-Mode customers now, does it? The prospect of "free gaems" is far more alluring than "an increase in stability of the system", meaning "nothing has changed significantly".

now we are comparing a console from a big company like Nintendo against a cheap falshcart made by... two chinese dudes


next, the PS3

Not quite sure what the problem here is - you still have to research, test, manufacture, package, distribute and advertise these things so the costs entailed are exactly the same, they vary in degree, not type. Or did you want to say that Nintendo has the right to price their products higher because they're "a bigger company", which makes even less sense?

 

[GregoryRasputin]

When something is supported by evidence, in my case examples of different devices from various periods of time that had/have the same or higher price, it is fact. Just saying something's fact doesn't make it one. Damn, those cheap R4 clones really spoiled the community - people got very comfortable with flashcarts for $5.

I do not see the evidence supporting your claims that you posted fact, so that must mean, you aren't speaking fact ?
The R4 clones didn't spoil anything for me, i have never bought any type of flash card or device for any of my Nintendo products.

 

[Foxi4]

I do not see the evidence supporting your claims that you posted fact, so that must mean, you aren't speaking fact ?

Except the part where I enumerate other flashcarts for various systems that cost as much if not more than the Gateway, completely nullifying your point. Okay.

 

[aalokishere]

Flashcarts are being blocked with each and every 3DS/DSi update these days, but this doesn't stop DS-Mode customers now, does it? The prospect of "free gaems" is far more alluring than "an increase in stability of the system", meaning "nothing has changed significantly".


Not quite sure what the problem here is - you still have to research, test, manufacture, package, distribute and advertise these things so the costs entailed are exactly the same, they vary in degree, not type. Or did you want to say that Nintendo has the right to price their products higher because they're "a bigger company", which makes even less sense?

I'm just trying to guess why the price is $80, not saying you shouldn't buy this because of software update problems and stuff. I think I'm getting one myself

 

[GregoryRasputin]

Except the part where I enumerate other flashcarts for various systems that cost as much if not more than the Gateway, completely nullifying your point. Okay.

So you claim, but you haven't shown any proof, so that means what you say isn't true, by your way of thinking anyway.

 

[VMM]

you are right, since they don´t have a homebrew they can´t bypass the region lock, right?

Not really homebrew, having 3DS fully hacked would allow custom firmwares or flashcards,
then we could disable region-lock.

Said that, the best hope so far is from a progress of 3DSBrew scene.

 

[Foxi4]

So you claim, but you haven't shown any proof, so that means what you say isn't true, by your way of thinking anyway.

Everdrive flashcarts all exceed $80, EZ-Flash kits were all priced well-over $80 at the time of their release, even a silly PassMe, which was practically an adapter that read the header of a retail cartridge, an adapter which was based entirely off stolen tech I might add, was a "Rip-off", costing aprox. $20, and you still needed a SLOT-2 flashcart and a DS game with an exploitable header to make any use of it, meaning that was not your only expense. How's that then?

 

[DiabloStorm]

Damn, those cheap R4 clones really spoiled the community - people got very comfortable with flashcarts for $5.

I only have a DSTWO, and you know, thinking back...R4s are shit lol, there are so many of them and it's so convoluted as to which ones function and which ones are garbage that IMO anything with the R4 label is an immediate pass just to simplify matters.