Ubisoft to EA: Y u so mad?

[Guild McCommunist]

I'm honestly extremely confused as to why EA is making such strange and grandiose claims about why the WiiU is bad. If I recall correctly, didn't they recently say that the WiiU struggled to run a port of the Frostbite 2 engine, and that they weren't even going to bother trying anything with Frostbite 3 because of it?

I don't know the specifics, obviously, but that just seems like they didn't try very hard at all. My understanding is that the WiiU is similar to the PS3 and Xbox 360 in terms of power, and Frostbite 2 ran on those devices just fine. And aren't they getting Frostbite 3 games later this year? Very strange.

I could understand it if EA were taking the same route as a number of other developers and saying that they weren't going to look into anything on the WiiU until it got more market penetration, but saying that it's uselessly underpowered? Odd.

I haven't really seen any "grandiose claims about why the Wii U is bad" unless you count one employee being a grumpypants on Twitter (who, by the way, does not speak for EA). They just didn't develop for the Wii U because of business. That's it.

 

[Taleweaver]

I find it funny that we care so much of Ubisofts third party support, when nearly all wii u arguments have cried about it only needing its first party titles.
I find it funny that people who say FUCK EA I DON'T PLAY THEIR GAMES, aren't spewing the same thing about these Ubisoft games.
Eat some starbursts Gbatemp, your becoming a roaring contradiction.

For the record: I'm still going to boycott Rayman Legends because of that delay, and I've made some not-so-nice posts on AC3. Furthermore, I've never said nintendo only needed first party titles. And I don't think I've seen someone else say that as well.

So before you go on calling this forum a "roaring contradiction", check again if it's not just you who projects single opinions as being the opinions of the entire forum.



Ahem...with that said...what's the news value in this article? We already knew all those titles were coming to the wiiu, so this pretty much speaks for itself. It's not like they're going to make these huge investments if it doesn't pay.

 

[ForteGospel]

Wait a minute! Ubisoft are the good guys now? I remember a lot of of bitching, people proclaiming they would boycott the gaem, fatwas against Microsoft... Now Ubisoft are the good guys? So if EA are worse than Hitler does this make Ubisoft 1937-1945 era Joesph Stalin?

the only dick move ubisoft did was releasing legends multi plat when they did it was exclusive, but they made it up by giving wii u owners 2 demos (as far as I recall) and that free multiplayer thingy version

on the other hand I can make up a looooooooooooooooooooooong list of EA dick moves towards nintendo just because they refused to insert origins into their system

 

[Foxi4]

Wait a minute! Ubisoft are the good guys now? I remember a lot of of bitching, people proclaiming they would boycott the gaem, fatwas against Microsoft... Now Ubisoft are the good guys? So if EA are worse than Hitler does this make Ubisoft 1937-1945 era Joesph Stalin?

No, no, no - you have to think in relative terms. They were the bad guys because they dared to port a previously Wii U-Exclusive title when the Wii U was generally supported, gaining a Mafia Level of 2,5. Now that EA doesn't give a damn, gaining Mafia Level 5 in the process... which spells trouble ("even the PSVita is getting a new FIFA game" gif for the lulz) they're one of the only ones left on the boat...

Mafia Level 2,5 is much less than Mafia Level 5... so seeing that the tables have turned, they're the good guys now.

Also, inb4Terrible_Ports from Capcom and Square - people act as if they haven't seen the latest engine demos from those two developers. That stuff won't work on the Wii U without feature castration.

 

[Bobbybangin]

Lol...God forbid anybody think the Wii U or anything related to it is a good thing. I've been reading this forum for over four years now. Some of you are so good at negative campaigning that you should get a job in politics. I see the same pattern in every thread somebody mentions something positive about the Wii U. It's chastise, condemn, and give a highly overrated opinion why...always by the same people. If somebody gives a good or not so good counter point then the next move is to say the same thing you just said but in a different way. I can tell the point is supposed to be that Nintendo is bad but keeps on coming out sounding like what it really is, which is 'I hate Nintendo and am trying my hardest to help them fail'. I understand why somebody would want to see somebody to be successful but I don't understand why there are so many people that would rather see failure or at least make others believe that failure is imminent. Good for Ubisoft. They did the not so popular thing despite what EA and the fanboys and/or Nintendo haters alike wanted. There's no reason a developer can't or shouldn't make games for the Wii U. If Ubisoft, Warner Bros, and Infinity Ward can design a new engine that will work for the 360, Wii, and PS4 then I don't understand why anybody can't either. First they claim the Wii U is archaic last gen, now they're saying it's too difficult to develop for. Does that mean they're incompetent if others can do it and they can't or are they just being hypocritical and playing politics as well? We've all seen EA's charade before with their refusal to develop for the Dreamcast and then their exclusive licensing agreement with the NFL so they wouldn't have to compete against Sega's NFL 2K. Now they're trying to do the same thing with the Wii U. It's good to see a company like Ubisoft not engage in ruthless business ethics over a game.

 

[ElYubiYubi]

Ubisoft produces a pile of shit. But if you dig through this pile of shit you can find gold grains. EA on the other hand produces hot air.

http://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/e...-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/

What's so good about EA? Sports? Battlefield?
What "good" stuff they produces?

Ubisoft on the other hand has a lot

 

[Gahars]

*Persecution Complex*

I hate to break it to you, but acknowledging that the reality of the situation (the Wii U is struggling, EA jumping off is a bad sign for the console, etc.) does not equal "I want Nintendo to fail." If you really have been reading posts on this site for 4 years, then you haven't been reading very well.

http://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/e...-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/

You do realize that 4chan/reddit/etc. spammed the hell out of that poll, right? That's hardly credible evidence.

on the other hand i can make up a looooooooooooooooooooooong list of EA dick moves towards nintendo just because they refused to insert origins into their system

I, too, judge companies based on unsubstantiated rumors.

 

[emigre]

Lol...God forbid anybody think the Wii U or anything related to it is a good thing. I've been reading this forum for over four years now. Some of you are so good at negative campaigning that you should get a job in politics.

Well I do have a politics degree...

 

[chavosaur]

For the record: I'm still going to boycott Rayman Legends because of that delay, and I've made some not-so-nice posts on AC3. Furthermore, I've never said nintendo only needed first party titles. And I don't think I've seen someone else say that as well.

So before you go on calling this forum a "roaring contradiction", check again if it's not just you who projects single opinions as being the opinions of the entire forum.
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I based my opinion on the previous wii u threads, where almost every other posts about the EA thing was,"So? Nintendo only needs Mario and Zelda. First party pls."
While unfair of me to say the entire forum, it is a large majority that makes up my statement.

 

[ForteGospel]

I, too, judge companies based on unsubstantiated rumors.

well seems like you missed the point, I don't judge them based on rumors, I judge them based on their dick moves they kept doing in the last month just for show

 

[Arras]

http://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/e...-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/

What's so good about EA? Sports? Battlefield?
What "good" stuff they produces?

Ubisoft on the other hand has a lot

Hot air is not a good thing to produce.

 

[Gahars]

well seems like you missed the point, I don't judge them based on rumors, I judge them based on their dick moves they kept doing in the last month just for show

I forgot that perfectly sensible, rational business decisions are dick moves.

Look, guys, I am no big fan of EA myself, and they've made their fair share of blunders and mistakes. If we're going to give EA shit, though, let's give them shit for things they've actually done (like the SimCity debacle) instead of attributing malice to an understandable choice because you want this narrative to have a bad guy.

 

[Foxi4]

*Snip!*

Can we please stop with the Nintendo Martyrdom? The Wii sold more than the PS3 or the 360, the DS sold more than the PSP, the 3DS sells more than the PSVita, I'm pretty sure that you guys are actually in the majority so don't act as if Nintendo fans are this small, ridiculed faction.

 

[Bobbybangin]

I hate to break it to you, but acknowledging that the reality of the situation (the Wii U is struggling, EA jumping off is a bad sign for the console, etc.) does not equal "I want Nintendo to fail." If you really have been reading posts on this site for 4 years, then you haven't been reading very well.

The Wii U is struggling...is that the reality of it? Nintendo estimated that 4 million units would be sold and they only sold 3.45 million. Does that mean they're struggling or that they didn't live up to expectations. I guess it depends on what the person you ask still wants you to believe. If somebody plans on making 2 million dollars and only makes 1.5 million I'd still call them rich. I think you're smart enough to know I'm not referring to more intelligent comments about Nintendo's success rather than the "Nintendo sucks" comments. I could be borderline illiterate and still be able to see that.

Can we please stop with the Nintendo Martyrdom? The Wii sold more than the PS3 or the 360, the DS sold more than the PSP, the 3DS sells more than the PSVita, I'm pretty sure that you guys are actually in the majority so don't act as if Nintendo fans are this small, ridiculed faction.

You're right. I'm sorry. Let me pull the nails out of this cross and let Nintendo down...

Nintendo sucks. If Ubisoft knew what was good for them they would throw in the towel and admit it too. I don't know why Ninty even bothered making a new console. Furthermore, I don't know why people wasted their time and money buying one. I don't even know why I'm on here stating obvious facts. I should just get on board with the rumor mill and start bashing them too. Can't wait for the real next gen to come out.

Better?

 

[EzekielRage]

For totally unrelated reasons this post is Cyan.

As somebody who never cared for console wars, I have to say that after looking at my library of games, I realized that I have ONE (1, uno, eins) EA game. I am neither for nor against that decision since it does not effect me but i have to say losing a developer is a bad thing no matter what.

I also don't bash developers but I have to say Ubisoft is, like most 3rd party deves out tehre, just simplay hit and miss. Same goes for Capcom and Square. I own a PS3 and a Wii/Wii U and a 3DS and I am looking forward to the NextBox and the PS4 in tems of games. probably won't buy one of these the next three years though, since I am not that avid of a gamer, but eventually one of the two down the road.

As for Nintendo, they are having problems with the Wii U right now but those will go away once higher caliber games have been released. i pre-ordered Assassins Creed 4 for the PS3 and Watch_Dogs for the Wii U just because I have all other AC games on the PS3 and I like consistency for as long as possible.

With that being said, I am pretty un-emotional to begin with so I am probably not the type of "bash" guy anyway. But let it be said here that I truly miss Iguana Entertainment and that their new company (Retro Studios) is the new Rare because the Rare Microsoft has is NOTHING like the Rare Nintendo had.

And I love Schnitzel but that's beside the point.

 

[Gahars]

The Wii U is struggling...is that the reality of it? Nintendo estimated that 4 million units would be sold and they only sold 3.45 million. Does that mean they're struggling or that they didn't live up to expectations. I guess it depends on what the person you ask still wants you to believe. If somebody plans on making 2 million dollars and only makes 1.5 million I'd still call them rich. I think you're smart enough to know I'm not referring to more intelligent comments about Nintendo's success rather than the "Nintendo sucks" comments. I could be borderline illiterate and still be able to see that.

Top selling Wii U games are selling less than 1000 units a week. It's selling a weak amount of units per month - pretty consistently under 100k. The 360 and PS3, 7 year old consoles, are performing better. The original Wii is performing better. And that 4 million estimate? That was originally 5.5 million.

(Plus, these "estimates" are often huge lowballs - every company wants to say their sales exceeded expectations. So if the platform is selling well under that already lowered estimate, it's selling much, much lower than they want.)

I get it, you want the Wii U to be a success, but sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make it so.

You're right. I'm sorry. Let me pull the nails out of this cross and let Nintendo down...

If you're going to quote someone, respond to them, not some figment of your imagination. It's good forum etiquette.

 

[Foxi4]

You're right. I'm sorry. Let me pull the nails out of this cross and let Nintendo down...

More martyrdom when you completely miss my point. You guys are pretty much in the majority, I'm not sure where this odd inferiority complex comes from.

 

[Bobbybangin]

sticking your head in the sand

not some figment of your imagination.

Two insults in one reply. Thanks for the lesson in etiquette. And before you go on saying I'm quoting you out of context just know that when you say things like that it's the only context I see. Just because I don't share your pessimistic point of view doesn't make me "sticking my head in the sand".

More martyrdom when you completely miss my point. You guys are pretty much in the majority, I'm not sure where this odd inferiority complex comes from.

Inferiority complex? That would be something Nintendo would feel in this situation, not me. I own all consoles. I'm a gamer and a collector. I'm don't belong to anybody. I do what I want and buy and play whatever I like. I don't say disparaging things about the PS3 or 360. I might not be the biggest fan of Sony, EA, or Micosoft but I haven't always agreed with everything Nintendo has done either. Your psychology has got me confused. I'm just callin' 'em how I see 'em.

 

[Wizerzak]

More martyrdom when you completely miss my point. You guys are pretty much in the majority, I'm not sure where this odd inferiority complex comes from.

Nintendo supporters (that is anyone who doesn't constantly hate on Nintendo in every single thread much like certain members of this forum) may not be in the minority, however it appears that those who oppose them simply have much larger mouths (read: stupidly high post counts / nothing better to do with their time than bash Nintendo on a Nintendo based website). And the truth of the matter is that both sides are often wrong / right it's just that whenever the Nintendo side are right, those that bash them simply give in and laugh their arguments off, or change the subject completely - and as these members are also the ones with the largest post counts it seems to go unquestioned.

I have not posted much over the past year on this forum in USN threads largely due to this, and to be perfectly honest this forum is becoming a horrible to place to be; I can't get more than 2 comments down a news post before seeing someone start flaming again. Gone are the days where we could have a thread about new Wii game and simply have a pleasant conversation about people's thoughts on it. In fact, and this is what really strikes me, is that if you stripped away the name of this site and asked someone to guess whether it was Sony/MS/Ninty based they would almost certainly not pick Nintendo.

 

[The Milkman]

Who exactly is saying the Wii U is doomed anyway? The only Nintendoomed things I've seen are jokes.