Hardware PSP shuts off when ripping UMD

[Elliander]

I am attempting to rip two UMD games. "Star Ocean: Second Evolution" and "Lunar: Silver Star Harmony" to my PSP 2001 Slim which has CFW 6.60 me. The games play without issue from the UMD, and I am able to connect the PSP to the computer with the data cable, view the ISO, and begin copying. The problem is that after around the same percentage is done copying, the PSP suddenly shuts off without warning. The power cable wasn't plugged in the very first time and I simply assumed the battery was dead, but with it plugged in the same thing happens. Furthermore, the light that shows it is charging shuts off as well and I can't turn it back on unless I unplug the power cable and then plug it back in. When I do, and reconnect the USB connection from the system menu, I can click to resume the copy. Sometimes when I do that though it says the file was externally changed and I have to start over, not that it makes a difference because even when resuming it really starts over.

Anyway, I know that if I can't figure this out I can easily download the files (and no it's not piracy if I own the discs), but I would really prefer getting this to work. Is this a symptom of just dirty discs? If so is there any way to properly clean them considering that the UMD cases don't come apart?

 

[Rydian]

Rename the /seplugins/ folder to make sure all plugins are disabled?

Are you viewing the ISO by mounting the UMD drive instead of the USB drive, or using some homebrew?

(and no it's not piracy if I own the discs)

Laws and morals aren't the same thing. It's still piracy even if you have the game physically.

 

[Kouen Hasuki]

Try ISOTool for PSP, It will rip your UMD to your Memory stick then you could copy from there, it even can CSO it on the fly

 

[Elliander]

Are you viewing the ISO by mounting the UMD drive instead of the USB drive, or using some homebrew?
Laws and morals aren't the same thing. It's still piracy even if you have the game physically.

Laws vary from country to country. In America it has been upheld that uploading content is against the law, but downloading content has never been upheld as criminal. That's why anti-piracy advocates go after uploaders. Oh, sure, if you download something you could be sued - but anyone can sue anyone for anything. Even in cases of downloading music those cases involved an uploader. So anyway, no, it's not piracy to replace a disc that is damaged anymore than it is piracy to backup disc content. What is piracy is to replace a damaged serial number because that is individualized.

Of course, that issue will be moot in the next generation consoles. Sony has a new patent in place that uses load times as evidence of piracy. If you have the physical disc in your hand and back it up yourself they will be able to detect it and will accuse you of piracy even if you never downloaded any games. Of course, just because Sony says it's piracy doesn't mean it is They can sue you all they want, but there is no hard written law saying you can't backup programs. In fact, there are actually exceptions to copyright laws (at least there were a few years ago) that explicitly made clear that it is NOT piracy to do so. Kind of like how Apple wants it to be patent infringement to unlock an iphone, when the courts ruled otherwise. And how cable companies want you to believe that cable descramblers are illegal, when it is only illegal to remove a trap from the line.

Try ISOTool for PSP, It will rip your UMD to your Memory stick then you could copy from there, it even can CSO it on the fly

Thanks. I'll try that. After I made the post I also had an issue with it shutting off when transferring data to the PSP memory stick so it seemed to be an issue with the USB cable and some data loss. Hopefully that will solve the problem.

 

[Kouen Hasuki]

Laws vary from country to country. In America it has been upheld that uploading content is against the law, but downloading content has never been upheld as criminal. That's why anti-piracy advocates go after uploaders. Oh, sure, if you download something you could be sued - but anyone can sue anyone for anything. Even in cases of downloading music those cases involved an uploader. So anyway, no, it's not piracy to replace a disc that is damaged anymore than it is piracy to backup disc content. What is piracy is to replace a damaged serial number because that is individualized.

Of course, that issue will be moot in the next generation consoles. Sony has a new patent in place that uses load times as evidence of piracy. If you have the physical disc in your hand and back it up yourself they will be able to detect it and will accuse you of piracy even if you never downloaded any games. Of course, just because Sony says it's piracy doesn't mean it is They can sue you all they want, but there is no hard written law saying you can't backup programs. In fact, there are actually exceptions to copyright laws (at least there were a few years ago) that explicitly made clear that it is NOT piracy to do so. Kind of like how Apple wants it to be patent infringement to unlock an iphone, when the courts ruled otherwise. And how cable companies want you to believe that cable descramblers are illegal, when it is only illegal to remove a trap from the line.



Thanks. I'll try that. After I made the post I also had an issue with it shutting off when transferring data to the PSP memory stick so it seemed to be an issue with the USB cable and some data loss. Hopefully that will solve the problem.

Aye worst case you can then use a media card reader to get the data off the memory stick after ripping with ISOTool

 

[Elliander]

Aye worst case you can then use a media card reader to get the data off the memory stick after ripping with ISOTool

Oh, I wouldn't need to get it off the stick. I have more than enough space, and the discs on my shelf. If I can get it to work I could easily just delete them to save space and re-rip later.

 

[Kouen Hasuki]

Oh, I wouldn't need to get it off the stick. I have more than enough space, and the discs on my shelf. If I can get it to work I could easily just delete them to save space and re-rip later.

oh well nuff said then

 

[mechadylan]

Try ISOTool for PSP, It will rip your UMD to your Memory stick then you could copy from there, it even can CSO it on the fly

I'd try this. If your problem persists, at least you can pinpoint it to the PSP hardware itself and not your comp, software, etc.

BTW, bringing up the "p" word in a thread around these parts is a great way to derail a perfectly genuine software issue such as yours.

 

[Elliander]

I'd try this. If your problem persists, at least you can pinpoint it to the PSP hardware itself and not your comp, software, etc.

Actually, I was able to pin point the problem a little while ago. It wasn't the data cable - it was the cheap battery! When I took the battery out and tried again with the USB connection it was able to copy over just fine without any problems.

My PSP came with one of those bulky extended life batteries that don't fit snugly. Since it would dislodge with the slightest motion I purchased a new battery online, and thought I was getting a good deal on a 3600 mAH battery. It fit snugly, and for the last two days of use it worked perfectly which is why I didn't suspect it at first, but when it then started to shut off at other times followed by a night of not charging I decided to test it out. I even double checked after wards to see if my choice of memory stick was a factor, and it had the same issues regardless of which memory stick was in there or if none were in there at all.

So anyway, I have no problem extracting games now and I learned my lesson: Unofficial PSP batteries are not even worth the cost of return shipping. That do make great paper weights though! I have a new official 1200 mAH coming in the mail

BTW, bringing up the "p" word in a thread around these parts is a great way to derail a perfectly genuine software issue such as yours.

Oh, I am are of that. It's just that in the past when I talk about having an issue with ripping a game the first suggestion is always to download it. I thought I made it clear that I wanted to get it to work without downloading if possible, and that I was aware that downloading is an option to fall back on and that I don't consider it piracy in this context. Of course, it seems that if someone isn't suggesting that I just download it someone else will suggest I don't so oh well. I won't bother with that disclaimer anymore.

 

[Rydian]

but downloading content has never been upheld as criminal.

Something doesn't have to be under criminal law for it to be illegal. There's civil law too, which is about infringement of rights (versus criminal law which focuses on damage).

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Civil_Law_vs_Criminal_Law

Downloading copyrighted content without a license/right is illegal. You won't face criminal charges (unless you pirate over a certain amount) because you're not causing any actual monetary/property damage, but it is illegal and you can be sued for it. Also of note, just uploading isn't criminal either. Just saying something doesn't have to be "criminal" for it to be illegal.

That said, copyright violations CAN turn into criminal acts if they cross certain boundaries of pass certain thresholds.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/506

That's why anti-piracy advocates go after uploaders.

No, they go after uploaders because civil law doesn't require that the fines be in-line with the crime, so they can sue somebody for millions over a few songs, in order to make the best example out of them.

http://news.yahoo.com/court-wont-reduce-students-music-download-fine-144922490.html

Oh, sure, if you download something you could be sued - but anyone can sue anyone for anything.

Except piracy is plainly illegal and whoever's suing you only has to prove you did it and knew what you were doing and they'll win. This is why most people choose to settle for just a few thousand, instead of actually go to court and be fined tens of thousands.

http://news.yahoo.com/minnesota-woman-loses-music-downloading-appeal-184218469.html

(Both this and the above linked case mention this as having been an offered option.)

Even in cases of downloading music those cases involved an uploader. So anyway, no, it's not piracy to replace a disc that is damaged anymore than it is piracy to backup disc content. What is piracy is to replace a damaged serial number because that is individualized.

Downloading a copy of a game, even if you own the disc, is illegal. Even in cases where you need the serial to actually use the contents of the disc, the contents of the disc are still protected by copyright law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17

They can sue you all they want, but there is no hard written law saying you can't backup programs.

Backing up is creating an unauthorized copy. Now, normally "fair use" would come into it to make the copy for personal backup okay (which means that the act would normally be considered illegal, but is not as an exception), but companies protect things with DRM nowadays, and the DMCA made breaking DRM illegal.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-105publ304/pdf/PLAW-105publ304.pdf
Parts of the DMCA were added to US Code when it passed.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures.—
(1)
(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.

You might want to read up on actual laws and court cases, instead of taking what ROM sites and such say (protip: they lie to cover their own asses).

 

[Elliander]

You might want to read up on actual laws and court cases, instead of taking what ROM sites and such say (protip: they lie to cover their own asses).

Right. Way to follow up with an insult. Especially going way off topic when I only mentioned it as a side not.

Again, anyone can sue anyone for anything. Civil law has nothing to do with breaking a specific law, but it includes protections. You probably are paying too much attention to the so-called "copyright trolls" who scare people into paying 200.00 per download. Unless you can cite even a single case your arguments are completely moot. I actually looked at your case examples, and they all involved uploaders. Your links to specific laws didn't appear to say anything specifically supporting your assertions either. You did have a good source about your position on making backups of games, but that was a 2 year prohibition that begins and ends at a date not specified. Even if valid it really depends on how you go about it. I don't have time to give a history lesson on how Electronic Arts entered the gaming market by reverse engineering the Sega Genesis which, according to your own source, is still valid:

(f) Reverse Engineering.—
(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.

So your own source confirms that it is completely legal to circumvent security in order to gain full use of a device. That doesn't in and of itself give the right to back up games, but if your entire argument is dependent on the fact that doing so circumvents technology measures, and if circumventing those measures is required for the use of homebrew applications, there is nothing here to prohibit the backing up of games since the technology would already have been circumvented.

Suffice to say if you really believe that that it is still piracy I kindly ask you make a new thread about it because this thread was not meant to be about the piracy debate. I already put way too much time into this and I have a Physics II exam in the morning I need to to study for.

 

[Rydian]

Right. Way to follow up with an insult. Especially going way off topic when I only mentioned it as a side not.

It was serious advice, not an insult. ROM sites often lie about this stuff (saying things like it's alright to keep a ROM for 24 hours before deleting it) which contributes to people misunderstanding it.

"It's only illegal if you upload" is one of those lies they tend to put out (and people tend to repeat).

Again, anyone can sue anyone for anything. Civil law has nothing to do with breaking a specific law, but it includes protections.

Piracy is illegal according to US law, and people actually go to court and lose when they do it.

You probably are paying too much attention to the so-called "copyright trolls" who scare people into paying 200.00 per download.

No, I'm paying attention to the actual laws, court cases, and government write-ups, which I linked you.

Unless you can cite even a single case your arguments are completely moot.

... I linked you two?

I actually looked at your case examples, and they all involved uploaders.

I linked those cases to show that the damages did not have to meet the perceived cost of the products in question (to show that civil cases don't follow all the same rules as criminal ones). They often go to court to make examples out of people, which is

Your links to specific laws didn't appear to say anything specifically supporting your assertions either.

Here, have an FAQ that sums up your misconceptions then, since you seem to like skimming.*
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#p2p

Uploading or downloading works protected by copyright without the authority of the copyright owner is an infringement of the copyright owner's exclusive rights of reproduction and/or distribution. Anyone found to have infringed a copyrighted work may be liable for statutory damages up to $30,000 for each work infringed and, if willful infringement is proven by the copyright owner, that amount may be increased up to $150,000 for each work infringed. In addition, an infringer of a work may also be liable for the attorney's fees incurred by the copyright owner to enforce his or her rights.

* - Can't blame you for not looking it up yourself beforehand since US code is pretty large, but I provided links for you in my post last time so it's skimming after that point.

You did have a good source about your position on making backups of games, but that was a 2 year prohibition that begins and ends at a date not specified.

No it's wasn't. The DMCA added portions to US code (which means they exist until repealed or the US government is demolished), and I linked the portion it added that pertained to the discussion.

And DRM isn't just game backups. CSS on DVDs and such is DRM as well, as is (was) the DRM locking iTunes songs to specific devices, etc.

Even if valid it really depends on how you go about it. I don't have time to give a history lesson on how Electronic Arts entered the gaming market by reverse engineering the Sega Genesis which, according to your own source, is still valid. So your own source confirms that it is completely legal to circumvent security in order to gain full use of a device.

First. Goddamned. Sentence.

Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A) [...]

And what's subsection (a)(1)(A)? The quote I linked, which states that breaking DRM is illegal.

That doesn't in and of itself give the right to back up games, but if your entire argument is dependent on the fact that doing so circumvents technology measures,

You might wish so because it'd make your argument easier, but no it's not.

Suffice to say if you really believe that that it is still piracy I kindly ask you make a new thread about it because this thread was not meant to be about the piracy debate. I already put way too much time into this and I have a Physics II exam in the morning I need to to study for.

You're right, I should make a guide for people like you with these extremely-common misunderstandings.

Because boy, we see a LOT of people like you that don't know what the actual laws and regulations state, and it does tend to drive a lot of threads off-target because of how thick-skulled you people are (seriously, it shouldn't take this much talk to convince you that the law saying it's illegal means it's illegal).






But hey, if you DON'T want to get read up on the laws and want to risk getting sued for 1.5 million dollars like another member of the GBAtemp forum was... that's your own choice.


EDIT: The last part of this post is snarky because I did just try to tell you in a single sentence at first, the only reason it's this long is because you keep fighting it.