When is pirating ok? (discussion)

[Rydian]

While the developer isn't talking advantage of our human nature and our need to have fun with games when they price it for 60 dollars?

There you go again, assuming that humans NEED to play videogames.

What the HELL do you think humans were doing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before videogames existed?

NOT PLAYING THEM.

 

[jimskeet2002]

Cool. That's all I'm saying. Your previous posts come across differently. Maybe it's just my interpretation.

I'm not trying to change anyones opinion of what they think games are worth. I simply think that people should pay for it if they can honestly afford a price they feel it's worth.

Will people pirate games they can afford anyway? Of course. People will also shoplift and steal. There's no changing that. But they can't go around pretending it's okay either.


Believe me, I'm with you. I posted earlier about these greedy publishers shoveling junk to rape the fan base. I was suckered into it for years. Even now, I know sometimes I can't resist. But, for the most part, I stopped buying games right away because I don't want to support this pricing trend either. I have no love for these board members that decide the pricing model. They also soak up all the profits. Maybe if they didn't pay themselves millions every year, they could easily sell games at a more reasonable price.

Obviously, that opinion doesn't apply to independent developers. But I also can't think of a single independent game that ever tried to sell for $60.

I am not talking about independent developers. I am talking about the games huge companies produce like EA, Ubi etc....
Independent developers have to start small for 2 reasons.
1 their product will not be as polished as big companies products
2 they don't have the fanboys to milk
So they start small with the hope to get in there.
I don't have problem buy such games. I paid beta entrance to path of exile. 10$ enjoyed the game more than Diablo 3 that costed me 60....

 

[jimskeet2002]

There you go again, assuming that humans NEED to play videogames.

What the HELL do you think humans were doing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before videogames existed?

NOT PLAYING THEM.

Once you start playing games believe me it becomes a need to you It is a way of amusement and a very addicting one. So it becomes a need eventually... Can you imagine yourself now not having a PC or video games or internet????

 

[Filipe C Bello dos Santos]

People here are forgetting that video games are not essentials - they are not necessary for survival. Gaming is a luxurious hobby, not a necessity. It's understandable when someone seizes posession of a loaf of bread because he or she had to to survive - not so much when someone obtains and uses software which he or she is not entitled to use. If you don't have a license for the software, you're not supposed to use it, and that's that. Piracy is not theft, it is wrong though - any counter-arguments are just poor attempts at justifying illegal activities.

Now, I'm not going to lecture anyone - I pirate things too, but at the very least I'm aware that it's the wrong thing to do. Be true to yourself and accept that it is.

What is the difference, you do and you say "it is wrong, i am fully aware of that", but you get angry when someone do the same thing but say "it's ok to do, i just don't care for companies" ?

On top of that, this section of the site is "hacking and homebrew". Nintendo doesn't want 3DS to be hacked, neither to play homebrew, or else they had made a open source console, that everyone can code on it.

So why the anger ?

 

[Rydian]

Once you start playing games believe me it becomes a need to you It is a way of amusement and a very addicting one. So it becomes a need eventually... Can you imagine yourself now not having a PC or video games or internet????

That's just being a spoiled kid. You do not need video games to survive.

 

[Foxi4]

While the developer isn't talking advantage of our human nature and our need to have fun with games when they price it for 60 dollars? And if you could download a lamborghini right out of your apartment for free I am pretty sure you would.

Takes advantage of the need to have fun? You can have fun with a deck of cards, you can have fun in the local community center, you can go for a walk, you can play with sticks and stones - there is no physical nor mental need for video games in your life - it's just your fancy. Besides, the developer does not price the product - the publisher does. The price has to cover development costs which are steadily increasing, distribution, production, packaging, wages and so-on and so-forth, and if they want to sell their product for $60 then they can because it's their product and you're in no position to question that - that's the price they want for it.

Your counter is incredibly poor - what you're saying is "I don't want to pay $60 for a game so I'm going to pirate it instead" - how is that in any way validating your point? If anything, it shows even more strongly how little you care about giving credit to the creators of the media you're enjoying. Creators, because software doesn't grow on trees - it has to be created, and that takes money, time and effort which you are unwilling to give credit for.

That's just being a spoiled kid. You do not need video games to survive.

Exactly. People play video games because they like them, not because they need them. If someone has the mental need to play video games then it's a problem and he or she should visit a clinic - it is a diagnosable addiction these days after all.

 

[jimskeet2002]

That's just being a spoiled kid. You do not need video games to survive.

lol... did i say u need them to survive? I didn't say that games are essential to survive but they are a need for many of us. It is a way to have fun and don't forget that the point of life is to have as much fun as you can. and i am neither spoiled nor a kid....

 

[jimskeet2002]

ok guys you clearly are brainwashed... I am out of here... You can keep paying for everything you have installed in your PCs and every game on your consoles. I won't I am a pirate and I am proud that i have this way to play what I can't afford. CYA

 

[Foxi4]

lol... did i say u need them to survive? I didn't say that games are essential to survive but they are a need for many of us. It is a way to have fun and don't forget that the point of life is to have as much fun as you can. and i am neither spoiled nor a kid....

So... you're somewhere in-between of a hedonist and an addict?

ok guys you clearly are brainwashed... I am out of here... You can keep paying for everything you have installed in your PCs and every game on your consoles. I won't I am a pirate and I am proud that i have this way to play what I can't afford. CYA

Laughable. You retreat from an argument for one reason and one reason only - because you don't have a counter, and yet you have the nerve to insult others calling them brainwashed? Well done. I guess I'm brainwashed because I think that not paying for the products I use is wrong. By the way, I pirate too, I'm just aware that it's morally wrong.

So why the anger ?

No anger, just tough love.

 

[Rydian]

lol... did i say u need them to survive? I didn't say that games are essential to survive but they are a need for many of us. It is a way to have fun and don't forget that the point of life is to have as much fun as you can. and i am neither spoiled nor a kid....

That makes games a "want", not a "need".

A "need" is something that's require for survival, because without it you'd die.
A "want" is something you can live without, but would enjoy having.

Clearly as humans have been living without videogames for thousands of years of recorded history, video games are not a need.

Pick up a dictionary sometime.

 

[jimskeet2002]

That makes games a "want", not a "need".

A "need" is something that's require for survival, because without it you'd die.
A "want" is something you can live without, but would enjoy having.

Clearly as humans have been living without videogames for thousands of years of recorded history, video games are not a need.

Pick up a dictionary sometime.

They have been living without money too for thousands of years... Then why do big companies need mine for???

 

[Foxi4]

They have been living without money too for thousands of years... Then why do big companies need mine for???

You think that if you say "big companies", you clean your hands and fight The Man, but that's not true. You can de-personalize developers as much as you want, but at the end of the day, "big companies" are composed of thousands of little people, much like yourself.

 

[Rydian]

They have been living without money too for thousands of years... Then why do big companies need mine for???

Dude, humans have been minting coins for well over 2000 years, and before that they did trades using other things of value.

Do you just sleep through history class each day or something?

 

[jimskeet2002]

I admire the work on the gaming industry that big companies do... I am just not willing to get ripped off for it

 

[Foxi4]

I admire the work on the gaming industry that big companies do... I am just not willing to get ripped off for it

Don't play video games then - best method of not getting ripped off in this context. Or at least accept the fact that piracy is morally wrong.

 

[Filipe C Bello dos Santos]

That would be like "terms and conditions to piracy".

did you agree to accept the fact that you are taking food of the table of the big companies ?

I agree. therefore i can pirate my stuff.

 

[Foxi4]

That would be like "terms and conditions to piracy".

did you agree to accept the fact that you are taking food of the table of the big companies ?

I agree. therefore i can pirate my stuff.

You're not taking anyone's food, you're not stealing, no wallet suffers in the process of piracy as long as you wouldn't buy the game without having the option to pirate it, so that's not a very good allegory. You're just doing something morally wrong, using media which you are not entitled to use as you did not purchase a right to use them.

 

[Saddamsdevil]

Oh boy...

Piracy is one of those subjects.

There is no objective view on it, because the definition of theft does not really cover this. In my opinion, from a purely subjective point of view, for something to get stolen, the physical copy needs to be taken from one person, so that that person suffers a loss. (inb4 people disagreeing, I gave enough disclaimers)

I find myself buying games I like after a while, maybe because they're on sale and I can afford them, or maybe because I enjoyed the game enough for me to warrant paying £40 or more on a game.

I don't think piracy is okay, but that does not stop me from downloading a game I am excited to play, granted that most of the time I buy it later anyway.

Except the Sims, no one should buy the Sims.

 

[Filipe C Bello dos Santos]

You're not taking anyone's food, you're not stealing, no wallet suffers in the process of piracy as long as you wouldn't buy the game without having the option to pirate it, so that's not a very good allegory. You're just doing something morally wrong, using media which you are not entitled to use as you did not purchase a right to use them.

I agree with you, and anyone that download a game is fully aware of that, but that doesn't change the fact that a sw that is downloaded, is one less sell to the company. But if everyone pirate here, what changes if we state that is wrong or not ?

as i said, this is a section dedicated to discuss hacking and homebrew, and nintendo doesn't want none of that to happen on their console, they invested a lot of money on security and hackers are destroying their effort. everyone will love that for different reasons, and no one complains about the hack. No, everyone will say that if you buy a console, you can do whatever you want with it, right ?

Nintendo doesn't think that way.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

It's not unfair, it's not tragic and it certainly isn't enforcing class unequality - it's tough love.

I'd love to "enjoy" a Lamborghini but I can't afford one - that's life. I have to deal with it. I can save up for one if I really want one - I have that option. Gamers have the option to save up for their games.

EDIT: I just realized someone used the same argument... along with the same brand of cars... what a coincidence, people must really like Lamborghinis...

I hardly see it as tough love but rather greed. Publishers and retailers can sell games at a decent price and i'm sure consumers would be overjoyed. I know I would thrilled to see new games released at $40 locally and I would gladly buy it cause I know its worth the purchase but to release it at $60 to $80 I rather buy online or pirate if the former isn't available. Even more so on older gen consoles like the PSP and as much as I love it I can hardly justify paying $80 for a PSP game when its not even a collector's item or a bundle, so I rather pirate those games.

I made an example earlier with Photoshop and while its not a game just google it and see how much it costs and see how I can easily rationalize pirating it. I personally would gladly buy games for any console until it can be hacked and open to piracy and that could take years and I don't mind but I just get annoyed whenever people say its wrong and just play the "morals" or "ethics" card cause its the only thing that cna be played.

Might be me but I don't have that moral thing that everyone else seem to have and while I justify my piracy as form of financial saving so I can buy other games I hardly see a real problem with it. Just to note I don't sit at home all day pirating games, I do it whenever I see something I like.