thaddius' Console Classic 2012 Edition: Round 12

[Foxi4]

Sony's afraid that if they do implement a transfer program like this, people will start buying pre-owned copies on the rise, register them and return them to the stores, as a UMD game really has no distinctive features. One copy could be "transferred" numerous times, and they want to avoid that.

Oh I know. It sucks that they abandoned early adopters like me because they got behind a format that didn't have legs.

Basically, I learned my lesson with the Go, so I'm not going to buy a Vita in the near future.

You're not going to buy a nextgen system because it doesn't support lastgen games? That's the stupidest reason you could come up with - I could understand if there were some inheritent problems with the Vita, but from what I've seen, they took a PSP, placed a touchscreen, touchpad, cameras and a second analog on it and then fed it steroids, it's the ultimate portable from a hardware standpoint and you're telling me that you won't buy it because you can't play PSP games? Hot dang, play your PSP games on your PSP lol.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

What do people here think of this 3D trend?

Pretty sure you already answered your question by stating it's a trend.

 

[thaddius]

You're not going to buy a nextgen system because it doesn't support lastgen games? That's the stupidest reason you could come up with

I don't finish playing a game and then toss it in the trash compactor like you're suggesting I should. Heck, I'm playing Chrono Trigger on my PS3 right now because I didn't snap the disc in half when the PS2 was announced. I recently finished playing Super Mario 64 DS on my 3DS (btw, the circle pad makes this game a lot more tolerable) because I didn't toss the cart out the window when I heard tell of the 3DS.

I don't buy new system JUST to play old games on them (I do have 6 games for my 3DS and have finished all of them), but I appreciate it when the company who is making the system rewards me for buying into their previous library. Sony hasn't done that with the Vita so I won't be getting one until much later in it's lifecycle.

 

[Foxi4]

You're not going to buy a nextgen system because it doesn't support lastgen games? That's the stupidest reason you could come up with

I don't finish playing a game and then toss it in the trash compactor like you're suggesting I should. Heck, I'm playing Chrono Trigger on my PS3 right now because I didn't snap the disc in half when the PS2 was announced. I recently finished playing Super Mario 64 DS on my 3DS (btw, the circle pad makes this game a lot more tolerable) because I didn't toss the cart out the window when I heard tell of the 3DS.

I don't buy new system JUST to play old games on them (I do have 6 games for my 3DS and have finished all of them), but I appreciate it when the company who is making the system rewards me for buying into their previous library. Sony hasn't done that with the Vita so I won't be getting one until much later in it's lifecycle.

This is not what I'm suggesting. What I'm suggesting is playing your PSP games on your PSP without being bothered by Vita transferring whatsoever and purchasing PSP games which you do not own on PSN. Backwards compatibility is a fun addition, not a deal breaker. The PSP is backwards compatible with selected PSOne titles, yet I don't remember anyone whining that it doesn't have a CD disc drive nor do I remember any program of transferring PSOne titles from CD's onto the PSP.

The route of logic here is clear - if someone has a collection of UMD's that he or she wants to transfer then the likelyhood of him/her owning a PSP is high. If he or she already owns a PSP then transferring the titles isn't really a necessity for him/her. If he or she doesn't then he/she will not be remotely interested in transferring something he or she doesn't even own. You get my drift?

Would it be a good addition to the system? Yes. Is it a deal breaker? No. The Vita was designed with Vita games in mind, the PSP classics are only a bit of icing on the top for those who like to go a bit retro from time to time.

EDIT: Keep in mind that the 3DS retained its DS functionality only because the cartridges retained their form factor. The UMD's have been deprecated, thus "functionality" is limited - that's really all there is to it. Besides, didn't Nintendo do the same thing with their latest Wii? It's not compatible with Gamecube titles anymore, much like the Go and the Vita aren't with UMD's. GASP! Nintendo did a no-no!

 

[thaddius]

This is not what I'm suggesting.

Of course it's not what you're suggesting! It's just like how I was in no way suggesting that the only reason I buy new consoles is to play old games, but it didn't stop you from making that straw man argument and calling me stupid.

I like to play old games while I save up enough money to buy new ones. Backwards compatibility allows for that. If a company releases a console/handheld that doesn't have BC, I'm not that inclined to buy it immediately.

Just so we're clear, I have no problem understanding that it's not a deal breaker for YOU.

 

[Foxi4]

Of course it's not what you're suggesting! It's just like how I was in no way suggesting that the only reason I buy new consoles is to play old games, but it didn't stop you from making that straw man argument and calling me stupid.

Primo, I never said that you're stupid, I said that your argument was. Secundo, I never implied that you buy new consoles to play old games solely, I implied that you dedicate too much focus to that. When buying new hardware, the customer's primary interest should be new games, if it wasn't the case, why would you buy new hardware in the first place?

You're taking this too much to the heart and too personally, take a chill pill.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

What do people here think of this 3D trend?

Pretty sure you already answered your question by stating it's a trend.

I think Guild pretty much summed up what I wanted to say but very bluntly.

But to expand on it, 3D in movies with the glasses and stuff I enjoy a little (no 3D sickness) but 3D in the 3DS I hate (I get 3D sickness from it)

 

[DinohScene]

3DS.
Simply because I got it on launch day and I never really liked Sony at all.

I would vote for the Pandora as I've been keeping up with the thing since early dev stages but as I don't own one I can't really tell if it's better or worse then the 3DS.

I really love the DOS and oldschool games feature on the device (yes I still play old games on a daily basis)

 

[xist]

That list is completely flawed. How can you attribute equal weighting to a list from 2000 or 2001 to a list from 2010 or 20011? It's a representation of data over the years but not an indication of anything other than how things changed over time.

That's not the point. It's that the majority of recent lists have put Ocarina of Time as first. Nintendo Power, GameTrailers.com, Edge, FHM, Slogan Yams have all done so. And while metacritic scores aren't the best gauge, it is the highest scoring game on their site with 99/100.

Whilst i do agree with you that OoT on the N64 is very often quoted as being one of the best games ever (a fact which i don't agree with but that's by the by) OoT on the 3DS released in 2011 isn't. Simply looking at best of 2011 lists (for example) illustrate that. It's not that Ocarina is suddenly rubbish, more that it gathers momentum through the years due to the personal love many people have for it. I'm not trying to pick an argument over the game being the best ever, or over rated, merely that when it was released last year on the 3DS it wasn't a revolutionary game that stomped over every other game released that year or even the previous few...surely you can see the distinction?

This is not what I'm suggesting. What I'm suggesting is playing your PSP games on your PSP without being bothered by Vita transferring whatsoever and purchasing PSP games which you do not own on PSN. Backwards compatibility is a fun addition, not a deal breaker. The PSP is backwards compatible with selected PSOne titles, yet I don't remember anyone whining that it doesn't have a CD disc drive nor do I remember any program of transferring PSOne titles from CD's onto the PSP.

The route of logic here is clear - if someone has a collection of UMD's that he or she wants to transfer then the likelyhood of him/her owning a PSP is high. If he or she already owns a PSP then transferring the titles isn't really a necessity for him/her. If he or she doesn't then he/she will not be remotely interested in transferring something he or she doesn't even own. You get my drift?

Would it be a good addition to the system? Yes. Is it a deal breaker? No. The Vita was designed with Vita games in mind, the PSP classics are only a bit of icing on the top for those who like to go a bit retro from time to time.

I totally agree with you...BUT...that screen.....it makes PSP games look great and the Vita has a second stick. It's not that people think it's a deal breaker, it's just they're salivating over the chance of playing those games on steroids (the games, not the people with the Vita's).

 

[Foxi4]

I totally agree with you...BUT...that screen.....it makes PSP games look great and the Vita has a second stick. It's not that people think it's a deal breaker, it's just they're salivating over the chance of playing those games on steroids (the games, not the people with the Vita's).

I agree, Dat Screen.

It's obviously pretty, but as I said, nothing's really stopping you from purchasing new PSP titles for the Vita, you just... can't transfer them from the UMD's, which is a shame, but not a world-wide tragedy. I honestly wouldn't pay twice for the same game, even if I had the option to transfer and I don't particularily enjoy Digital Distribution anyways, I play PSP games on the hardware they were designed to be played on - the PSP.

I surely will get some dirt-cheap PSP games for the Vita once I finally buy one (money-gathering in-progress...) but probably just to kill time in-between of Vita releases.

 

[thaddius]

You're taking this too much to the heart and too personally, take a chill pill.

I'm not angry or taking it personally (another strawman). You're jumping down people's throats for not having the same opinions as you. And even then you're only really attacking strawmen arguments.

It's just getting tired is all. At least you've learned what a strawman argument is (which was my intent).

I think Guild pretty much summed up what I wanted to say but very bluntly.

But to expand on it, 3D in movies with the glasses and stuff I enjoy a little (no 3D sickness) but 3D in the 3DS I hate (I get 3D sickness from it)

I just didn't see much of a demand for 3D and it feels like it's being forced on us needlessly; something to sell some more TVs and an excuse to raise ticket prices in theatres.

 

[Valwin]

well it seem the 3ds in going ahead no shock here it is the better system right now in game and in value

 

[thaddius]

No shock indeed, but it might be due to the head-start.

 

[Valwin]

No shock indeed, but it might be due to the head-start.

i would also say that but seem how they hype the vita they cant get away with it

 

[Foxi4]

I'm not angry or taking it personally (another strawman). You're jumping down people's throats for not having the same opinions as you. And even then you're only really attacking strawmen arguments.

It's just getting tired is all. At least you've learned what a strawman argument is (which was my intent).

Uhh, no. I'm not jumping at people's throats, I'm saying that lastgen games are not a viable argument in nextgen discussions as they belong to the last generation. You are right, this is my opinion, I'm not forcing it down your throat by no means - all I'm saying is that judging a nextgen through a prism of the lastgen, especially when you actually have the lastgen and don't even need that kind of functionality, is unfair. This is not a strawman argument, you're deliberatelly misinterpreting what I said. In any case, I'm done with this subject, I expressed all I had to say.

i would also say that but seem how they hype the vita they cant get away with it

Because the 3DS wasn't overhyped at all.

 

[thaddius]

Uhh, no. I'm not jumping at people's throats

Sure you aren't.

 

[Valwin]

I'm not angry or taking it personally (another strawman). You're jumping down people's throats for not having the same opinions as you. And even then you're only really attacking strawmen arguments.

It's just getting tired is all. At least you've learned what a strawman argument is (which was my intent).

Uhh, no. I'm not jumping at people's throats, I'm saying that lastgen games are not a viable argument in nextgen discussions as they belong to the last generation. You are right, this is my opinion, I'm not forcing it down your throat by no means - all I'm saying is that judging a nextgen through a prism of the lastgen, especially when you actually have the lastgen and don't even need that kind of functionality, is unfair. This is not a strawman argument, you're deliberatelly misinterpreting what I said. In any case, I'm done with this subject, I expressed all I had to say.

i would also say that but seem how they hype the vita they cant get away with it

Because the 3DS wasn't overhyped at all.

no at this level

 

[Foxi4]

Uhh, no. I'm not jumping at people's throats

Sure you aren't.

Trolling me softly... I like that...

no at this level

At the level of "Holy hell, they're not happy with the price-to-value ratio at all, we have to cut the price S.T.A.T from $250 to $170 or this thing's as good as dead. Ha! That'll make early adapters feel stupid about themselves... we should probably give them some GBA games, afterall, it doesn't cost us anything".

 

[Valwin]

Uhh, no. I'm not jumping at people's throats

Sure you aren't.

Trolling me softly... I like that...

no at this level

At the level of "Holy hell, they're not happy with the price-to-value ratio at all, we have to cut the price S.T.A.T from $250 to $170 or this thing's as good as dead. Ha! That'll make early adapters feel stupid about themselves... we should probably give them some GBA games, afterall, it doesn't cost us anything".

il take those gba games over the no games on the vita anyday

 

[Foxi4]

il take those gba games over the no games on the vita anyday

"We sold you our hardware for $80 more than it's worth, we know that it's unfair, so for that occasion, we prepared this delicious old sandwich for you! But you can't have it all! You can only have one piece each two months! Thank you for your support!"