thaddius' Console Classic 2012 Edition: Round 12

[Fyrus]

No problem, feel free to ask anytime if you wish !

 

[Deleted_171835]

The fact that Iwata and others at Nintendo said it was a revision should have ended this argument. After all, they're the ones making and marketing the device. Surely they would know whether it was intended to be an entirely new console or a revision.

Except they didn't say that. I am officially dropping out of this discussion - hardware, firmware and software reasons should make it painfuly obvious as to why. I'm not going to convince you so why bother.

You did not procure any evidence to support your claim other then "because I was told so" when the factual, physical evidence points at the other direction. Jumping from Gekko to Broadway wasn't a big jump in terms of hardware either and yet we have a Gamecube and the Wii. At the end of the day, it's a matter of interpretation I suppose. I look at it from a practical standpoint, you look at it from a marketing standpoint.

EDIT: I thought I should bring one more issue up just for the heck of it - the DS and the DSi do not share a Development Kit - the two are in fact separate.

Even if it does have a couple changes in terms of it's hardware and software, it's still a revision. It was made to play DS games and the few DSiWare games that are available. At its core, it's a DS system.

The quote I mentioned was evidence enough but you decided to twist the meaning of it so that it fits your argument. Fact is, Iwata and numerous others have said that the DSi is a DS revision and not an entirely new console. The short life-span of the system (despite great sales) should also allude to that fact.

The jump from the Gamecube to the Wii is completely different. The Wii was marketed as and is an entirely new system. Even if it's specs haven't changed much, it was still a new system with it's own game library, controller and services. You seem to be looking at this from a technical aspect. A large or small jump in specs does not dictate whether something is a new console or not.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I think Guild pretty much summed up what I wanted to say but very bluntly.

But to expand on it, 3D in movies with the glasses and stuff I enjoy a little (no 3D sickness) but 3D in the 3DS I hate (I get 3D sickness from it)

I just didn't see much of a demand for 3D and it feels like it's being forced on us needlessly; something to sell some more TVs and an excuse to raise ticket prices in theatres.

So true but yea its one of those "new" fads that companies want to shove down our throats so they can make more money in the end. But for gaming my point still stands I mean before the 3DS and its 3D we all played platformers and other games where we need to judge distance and depth and we done it fine and i'm sure none of us complained that it wasn't in 3D its only after the 3DS was released where you got fanboys saying that everything needs 3D otherwise its not awesome and I facepalm and argue at that each time.

I'm not bashing the 3DS (I own one) but i'm just saying 3D hardly is anything awesome and people have been playing without it for years, I mean the 3D like the 3DS's 3D not 3D modelling.

 

[Foxi4]

I think Guild pretty much summed up what I wanted to say but very bluntly.

But to expand on it, 3D in movies with the glasses and stuff I enjoy a little (no 3D sickness) but 3D in the 3DS I hate (I get 3D sickness from it)

I just didn't see much of a demand for 3D and it feels like it's being forced on us needlessly; something to sell some more TVs and an excuse to raise ticket prices in theatres.

So true but yea its one of those "new" fads that companies want to shove down our throats so they can make more money in the end. But for gaming my point still stands I mean before the 3DS and its 3D we all played platformers and other games where we need to judge distance and depth and we done it fine and i'm sure none of us complained that it wasn't in 3D its only after the 3DS was released where you got fanboys saying that everything needs 3D otherwise its not awesome and I facepalm and argue at that each time.

I'm not bashing the 3DS (I own one) but i'm just saying 3D hardly is anything awesome and people have been playing without it for years, I mean the 3D like the 3DS's 3D not 3D modelling.

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties, now, in the 21st century when it finally looks relatively decent... people just shrug and go "meh. I expected this to be better" and get on with their lives.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I think Guild pretty much summed up what I wanted to say but very bluntly.

But to expand on it, 3D in movies with the glasses and stuff I enjoy a little (no 3D sickness) but 3D in the 3DS I hate (I get 3D sickness from it)

I just didn't see much of a demand for 3D and it feels like it's being forced on us needlessly; something to sell some more TVs and an excuse to raise ticket prices in theatres.

So true but yea its one of those "new" fads that companies want to shove down our throats so they can make more money in the end. But for gaming my point still stands I mean before the 3DS and its 3D we all played platformers and other games where we need to judge distance and depth and we done it fine and i'm sure none of us complained that it wasn't in 3D its only after the 3DS was released where you got fanboys saying that everything needs 3D otherwise its not awesome and I facepalm and argue at that each time.

I'm not bashing the 3DS (I own one) but i'm just saying 3D hardly is anything awesome and people have been playing without it for years, I mean the 3D like the 3DS's 3D not 3D modelling.

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties, now, in the 21st century when it finally looks relatively decent... people just shrug and go "meh. I expected this to be better" and get on with their lives.

I actually went "I expected to not get nauseous from it" but yea I get your point. I'm kinda surprised I never disagree with Foxi whenever you or I respond to something, maybe i'm just weird.

 

[thaddius]

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties [...]

Don't forget the 50s.

 

[Foxi4]

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties [...]

Don't forget the 50s.

Let's go all the way back to 1915.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties [...]

Don't forget the 50s.

Ever since JC'S Avatar almost every movie has been getting a 3D release and companies have been advertising 3D TVs and stuff out the butthole. It is definitely a fad, it just re-emerged since new tech came to light to make it more popular.

 

[Foxi4]

3D is not a new fad - people were crazy about it in the 80'ties and 90'ties [...]

Don't forget the 50s.

Ever since JC'S Avatar almost every movie has been getting a 3D release and companies have been advertising 3D TVs and stuff out the butthole. It is definitely a fad, it just re-emerged since new tech came to light to make it more popular.

I didn't say it was not a fad, I said it's not new. Recursive would be a better word - people get excited about it, go see it in cinemas, aren't impressed and cool down. Then, new 3D tech comes out, they get excited and... You get my drift.

 

[thaddius]

Ever since JC'S Avatar almost every movie has been getting a 3D release and companies have been advertising 3D TVs and stuff out the butthole. It is definitely a fad, it just re-emerged since new tech came to light to make it more popular.

I hope it's a fad. I fear that it'll be treated like the move to HD though.

 

[xist]

Binocularity and depth perception? Who needs 'em....

 

[thaddius]

24 hours remain!

 

[emigre]

Where's the iPhone option?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

If your adding iPhone than what about Android?

 

[emigre]

Exactly ios and Android are respected gaming platforms.

 

[Deleted_171835]

Where's the iPhone option?

The lack of buttons puts in a league of its own. Obviously the inferior 3DS and Vita can't compare.

 

[thaddius]

Little late to be adding things, but alright; I added iOS. Even though it's in the wrong generation.

If you're clamouring for Android though, you clearly didn't read my original post/know what the Yinlips is.

24 hours remain.

 

[emigre]

YInlips just put the emphasis on one particular Android device. It ignores the other dozens upon dozens of Android devices.

 

[thaddius]

2 devices.

EDIT: No, I'm not going to include PC operating systems. This is a can of worms that people wanted opened, but I have to draw the line somewhere because we're at the end of the poll.

 

[emigre]

Two devices changes everything.