i don't understand far left vs far right help me understand it better

[Dark_Ansem]

Allow me to illustrate. Uyghers.

LOL if China is left-wing I am the King of England. China has been a pretend-communist country for decades. Evidence? the abundance of millionaires and billionaires. I don't recall any of those two appear in the soviet union.

 

[Reualed]

I don't recall any of those two appear in the soviet union.

ehh, showed up under different names. Those who were rich, became the people in the government. The real issue is the soviet union is a complete and utter shit show to talk about. Primarily because Stalinism modified a lot of Marxism core points.
Primarily the whole, stateless, classless and money-less bit.

All we can really easily say is it's definitively an authoritarian mess, that should be avoided, and it's placement is questionable in the political spectrum. But I am not going to stop people from attempting to say it's left wing, primarily because the USSR is just that big of a headache.

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Like, sigh let's go down the rabbit hole a little for this.

The whole point of socialism in the modern context, not to be confused with the populous context that Hitler was using at the time, is that workers have control over their work place. If they have sound control over their work, they have control over the roots of power more or less.

In the USSR, because the government choose what went through, and it's regime wasn't a democracy, that more or less subverted that whole point. Especially since unions were more or less tucked under the government, rather than their own separate form of power. Akin to what Hitler did to crush unions to some extent, which puts it more under the capitalist framework to some extent (not entirely, there is a bunch of other nuance)

Another issue with the USSR was that, in the eyes of Stalin, the way to transition to communism, was to first by complete force, take all power, and then put it back in people's hand. This is not just flawed, it doesn't work. Power wishes to stick to power, once consolidated it does not just simply move or freely change. And military power is a even bigger disaster since that is especially sticky once involved.

Point is the end result was a system stuck in an attempted transition that statistically was likely to never move over. With very vague basis on the leftist spectrum, but remarkably right wing/capitalist shifted in some key areas.

Tl;dr
Stalin and the USSR is some bizarre smorgasbord that had ideas start from the left wing spectrum with a definitive authoritarian bend, but a few specific aspects vehemently was so right wing. It's really difficult to get a good pin point.

 

[Moseii]

Independent is just someone who isn't affiliated with a political party.

Everyone, literally everyone, is somewhere between left and right.
There is nothing outside of that spectrum.

Think of it like average grading scores, on a scale of 0 to 10, with each extreme representing a side of the spectrum (I won't assign the 0/10 to any side since people take offense to even that, but it could be left or right).

You can be a centrist with a fairly evenly distributed opinion range (lean a little bit to each side), like someone whose average grades float between 4 and 6, with an average of 5 of very close to it.

But you could also be an extreme centrist, with opinions that wildly vary in all subjects, corresponding to scores going from 1-2 to 8-9, but still averaging around 5.

Though the average is the same, the standard deviation is much higher.

as a non-american, this sounds really one dimensional

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What's an example of an extreme leftist brutalizing a minority?

isreali left oops who said that

 

[Dark_Ansem]

isreali left oops who said that

No one because they're not even close to the smell of power.

 

[Moseii]

they're not even close to the smell of power.

huh what?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

huh what?

Are you saying Netanyahu is somehow left wing? Would you be that shameless?

 

[Moseii]

Are you saying Netanyahu is somehow left wing? Would you be that shameless?

uhm, no? he's a conservative ofc, i never said the current government is left wing, it's conservative lol

 

[Dark_Ansem]

uhm, no? he's a conservative ofc, i never said the current government is left wing, it's conservative lol

All right add a +1 to "got sarcasm wrong"

 

[Moseii]

All right add a +1 to "got sarcasm wrong"

im so confused /gen