i don't understand far left vs far right help me understand it better

[NoNamida]

Jan6. Charlottesville. The bomb threats at many different locations because of trans people existing. The fact the far right said "transgenderism should be eradicated"
trans is not an ideological thing, doesn't work like that.


How about the fact that trans people not just are unable to serve in the military, but also even if they qualified for retirement benefits for their many years of service, they are denied it.

This list goes on, but that's just a few I can think from the top of my head

thanks for the info

 

[Dark_Ansem]

thanks for the info

And? How does this new information affect your opinion?

 

[Majunior]

And? How does this new information affect your opinion?

Hopefully not a lot given that only Charlottesville was the actual time "Far right" was on the news. Guy gave one instance from almost 10 years ago.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Hopefully not a lot given that only Charlottesville was the actual time "Far right" was on the news. Guy gave one instance from almost 10 years ago.

You got an identity crisis?

 

[AlexMCS]

Love people? Left.
Hate people? Right.

Utter BS.
The leftists hate the right just as much, if not more.
They are just as terrible.

Oversimplifying it, it's something like:
Left = big government, progress at all costs.
Right = small government, tradition at all costs.

The "correct side" is the center.
Take what's good from both philosophies, because both have their virtues and flaws.

Balance and order is the only solution to the world, I'd dare say to the universe itself even.
Extremism and uncontrolled chaos is the way to ruin.

Both the Greek (with Metron - μέτρον) and the Chinese (with Yin-Yang - 陰陽) have known this for millennia, yet most modern people fail to grasp this concept.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

The "correct side" is the center.
Take what's good from both philosophies, because both have their virtues and flaws.

Name one, from the right. Don't even think about mentioning "traditional social values".

 

[Majunior]

Name one, from the right. Don't even think about mentioning "traditional social values".

Individual responsibility, self-reliability.

 

[MortalWombat89]

nobody here in this thread understands anything LMAO

 

[MPRTwice]

nobody here in this thread understands anything LMAO

I do. MortalWombat is a funny name, and I have a high standard on what I consider funny. _That_ is a pun I approve!

I might have to borrow that one: hand-to-hand wombat, or wombat-sports.

Now Mohc is "obsessed with personal wombat"; I can get a lot of mileage out of this pun, and it is all your fault, isn't it?

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

Individual responsibility, self-reliability.

Ok, now explain how "sucks to be you, cuz muh survival of the fittest" isn't a selfish, shifty policy.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Individual responsibility, self-reliability.

So that PPP loan forgiveness, many of which were Republicans in office who took em and got them forgiven.

Responsibility and self reliability indeed!

 

[Majunior]

Ok, now explain how "sucks to be you, cuz muh survival of the fittest" isn't a selfish, shifty policy.

Leftist policies rely on individually responsibly, self-reliable people. Without them there is no one to tax, and you can't have a strong safety net for the people who are not self-reliable, and then you start getting stuff like this



Translation: We tax gas, because the poor don't use gas.

If you don't promote a society where most people are self reliable then you are simply in due for a collapsing society. The resources have to come from somewhere. So yes, Alex is right, you need a balance of both, going full left wing just leaves you places like Venezuela.

 

[SeltzerMist]

This is definitely user Heavy. Had the same kind of weird meltdown over Venezuela too.

 

[bonkmaykr]

The "correct side" is the center.
Take what's good from both philosophies, because both have their virtues and flaws.

The only perfect take in this entire thread.

The truth is that US politicians are currently so deep in a one-up war that neither of them have our best interests in mind and the more we pretend like Trump or Kamala or Vance or whoever the hell else is going to "save our country" the more we're just going to get duped again.

The heavily loyalist culture with a disregard for independence needs to dial down eleven notches and then some. When it's not ruining relationships because people can't stop labeling eachother it's distracting us from making productive and positive changes.

And this is before taking into account the constant attempts from federal agencies serving both sides to introduce legal loopholes that undermine our protections by trying to govern tools essential to protecting 1A. Think of the children, they say, but it's always either about money or about selfishness, and no single party is standing up against that.

If the logistics of such weren't a nightmare, I think direct democracy is a better system.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Where/how do you meet in the middle when it comes to equality?

 

[bonkmaykr]

Where/how do you meet in the middle when it comes to equality?

Centrism is not about meeting in the middle.

Centrism is about having your own views on things independent of any political party, like it ought to be. Problem solving requires nuance. Nuance is something US politicians lack.

I for example have relatively progressive views on gender but not in excess, I'm at a moderate inbetween that neither party respects. I don't agree with the border wall or censorship of the CDC but I might like the republicans' take on economics. I think we waste too much money on foreign aid but I also want our taxes to go back into our communities, etcetera. ("doge" failed at this in an unprofessional media spectacle). But where i'm for the government being a part of economic support I am against them being involved in marriage at all, ownership, or communication. Libertarians, Republicans, Dems, all operate on a different end of the spectrum than what I'm looking for.

And this is just me. Centrism has no defining set of ideals. It can be any combination of these things to any varying degree.

This isn't about compromising on equality or empathy, or just "they're both right", oversimplifying it down to "meeting in the middle" with the so called far right is a polarized mindset without nuance. It's about where you personally want to draw the line.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Centrism is not about meeting in the middle.

Centrism is about having your own views on things independent of any political party, like it ought to be. Problem solving requires nuance. Nuance is something US politicians lack.

I for example have relatively progressive views on gender but not in excess. I don't agree with the border wall or censorship of the CDC but I might like the republicans' take on economics. Etcetera.

This isn't about compromising on equality or empathy, oversimplifying it down to "meeting in the middle" with the so called far right is the reason why people just blindly follow labels now.

I think you're confusing being centrist with being independent, which happens a lot. Being politically centrist and politically independent are usually going to be two separate ideologies.

 

[Moseii]

I think you're confusing being centrist with being independent, which happens a lot. Being politically centrist and politically independent are usually going to be two separate ideologies.

huh? what does that mean what's the difference /gen

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I think you're confusing being centrist with being independent, which happens a lot. Being politically centrist and politically independent are usually going to be two separate ideologies.

Pretty much what I was about to say.

 

[AlexMCS]

Independent is just someone who isn't affiliated with a political party.

Everyone, literally everyone, is somewhere between left and right.
There is nothing outside of that spectrum.

Think of it like average grading scores, on a scale of 0 to 10, with each extreme representing a side of the spectrum (I won't assign the 0/10 to any side since people take offense to even that, but it could be left or right).

You can be a centrist with a fairly evenly distributed opinion range (lean a little bit to each side), like someone whose average grades float between 4 and 6, with an average of 5 of very close to it.

But you could also be an extreme centrist, with opinions that wildly vary in all subjects, corresponding to scores going from 1-2 to 8-9, but still averaging around 5.

Though the average is the same, the standard deviation is much higher.