Gaming Are Switch 2 Consoles getting for using used Switch 1 games?

[raxadian]

This is insane, I am so glad I didn't buy a Switch 2.

 

[yankii]

Of course you're going to get banned for using a game that has been dumped and uploaded online, lol.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Switch cartridges have a unique ID as a form of copy protection
If the ID is flagged, it doesn't matter if it's a legit buyer or someone unknowingly buying a pirated replica, they will get banned

 

[lunarfreyax]

redditor and youtuber right now are so toxic against the switch 2, it's so crazy. why no one blame the mig and the scummy person that dump the fricking game and then return or resell it. it's unlucky that it happen, but at least if your own the legit cart they can unban you ! Mig is the one that ruin the second hand game market !

 

[FanNintendo]

Good thing i didnt updated the Switch 2 after i put Mario Kart 8 Deluxe card in, it asked me to updated like i say WTF it not above 19.0.0 but i know it needs patch to emulator in switch 2 so i aint going ruin my switch 2 for now on. Now I see alot of issues with Switch 2 so keep it on Switch 1

 

[Ettino]

This is insane, I am so glad I didn't buy a Switch 2.

Going by that reddit post. The buyer bought a used game, got banned because it's been duped, then they got in touch with Nintendo, then Nintendo unbanned them as they should. So, what's the issue here? Some dumbass made a copy of the game and let that game back into second hand market, then an innocent buyer got hit with a ban. Somehow this is Nintendo's fault, OP? Totally insane.

If you're using MIG and do this or something similar then you're a dickward. Also, way to ruin a used game market.

 

[Ondrashek06]

Going by that reddit post. The buyer bought a used game, got banned because it's been duped, then they got in touch with Nintendo, then Nintendo unbanned them as they should. So, what's the issue here? Some dumbass made a copy of the game and let that game back into second hand market, then an innocent buyer got hit with a ban. Somehow this is Nintendo's fault, OP? Totally insane.

If you're using MIG and do this or something similar then you're a dickward. Also, way to ruin a used game market.

Nintendo actually UNBANS consoles? This is the first time I've heard of an unban.

 

[Ettino]

Nintendo actually UNBANS consoles? This is the first time I've heard of an unban.

Did you actually watch the thing?

 

[raxadian]

redditor and youtuber right now are so toxic against the switch 2

To be fair Nintendo has never been so aggressive with bans and bricking before.

There is also the fact Nintendo is hurting game preservation that granted is not a problem right now that Switches 1 and 2 can still be used with no problems but it will be a problem when games that are digital only for Switch 1 and 2 start to get taken offline.

It also doesn't help when people like Arlo who has been quite critical of some Nintendo stuff before start to shill certain game that should have come for free with the Switch 2 when even Scott the Woz who is even a bigger Nintendo fan admits that game sucks.

Overall be aware that with games for Switch 2 you are not buying, you are renting.

If you are okay with that? Okay.

Personally I think 80/90 dollars is way too much to rent games. And I say that as someone that went to Arcades a lot until Arcades were I live went extinct.

And even if I did not I would not pay 500 dollars (Actually is like over 1000 were I live) just to play Mario Kart.

Or a new Donkey Kong game, no matter how fun it looks.

And I bought the Switch 1 just to play Super Mario Oddisey.

Just... there is no Switch 2 game that screams to me "Buy the Switch 2 to play this game!"

If I had the money I would buy a base PS5 with the disc reader, not a Switch 2.

Sure the thing not being portable sucks but my situation is way different from when I bought the Switch 1.

I barely travel nowadays and when I do I take my 2DS not the Switch 1, because I have way more games for the 2DS and tons of DS games.

Is a shame, I had a Gameboy as a kid, my dad bought it to me years before Pokemon even existed. I had a GBC, a GBA, a DS, a 3DS, a N64, a Gamecube, I bought a Wii, I bought a Switch.

I have the Super Nintendo plug and play thing that granted I never use the Super NES Classic Edition but I did buy it.

So it hurts a bit to see Nintendo being so expensive and so greedy nowadays.

 

[Finray]

Nintendo actually UNBANS consoles? This is the first time I've heard of an unban.

They do, but you have to have a strong and convincing case.

 

[hatredg0d]

Of course you're going to get banned for using a game that has been dumped and uploaded online, lol.

If you contact Nintendo they will unban you.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Of course you're going to get banned for using a game that has been dumped and uploaded online, lol.

I don't think that's obvious to the 99% of users that are not pirates and aren't interested in piracy.
Nor do they have ANY way to tell if a particular used copy of a game could have been dumped for someone's personal collection they use on their MIG Switch or whatever the case.
And therein lies the problem.
It's a fine line between ethical and unethical when it comes to the means and the lengths a company is willing to go to "prevent" piracy.
And banning a user without being 100% certain that user is guilty crosses the line into unethical, IMO. Once you get banned, there is no unbanning. There are no appeals. Nintendo won't listen to you no matter how much you plead your case and how good your case is. Your console is effectively permanently worthless. Therefore, they need to be 100% certain. They could settle for 99% if they were willing to listen to ban appeals and have people submit proof of purchase.

This has just become a problem for Nintendo and they have to figure out the best way to deal with it. It's not the user's fault that pirates are ruining it for legitimate users by dumping games and then selling the carts, and it isn't Nintendo's fault either, but how Nintendo chooses to deal with it, that very much is their responsibility and can affect their public image.

Why we're only seeing this happen now seems pretty clear. Users with a modded Switch (which likely number far more than the number of MIG Switch users) are now looking for a way to carry over everything to the Switch 2 and a lot of them have figured out that the cheapest way (which isn't a guaranteed ban...) is to buy used copies of games, dump them, and resell them, and put all of it on a MIG Switch.
It is also possible that "Virtual Game Card" is providing additional telemetry that makes this a lot easier for Nintendo to detect than it was previously.
As more people (pirates) buy a Switch 2 this problem is just going to get worse. We've only seen the beginning of it.

A better way for Nintendo to handle this would be: If a duplicate cart (cert/headers) is detected on a particular Switch (2) a blacklist could be employed to render the cart useless. Then if the user is a legitimate user and not a pirate they would simply return the game to whoever they bought it from stating that it doesn't work. This would require the user to connect to the Internet somewhat regularly to update the blacklist (at least before the return window closes for the item) but legitimate users typically will keep their console up to date so that isn't a big issue. Used game stores should always check if a game works before they put it out for sale anyway.
Then - before a ban is considered - look at how many occurrences of duplicate carts have been logged on this console. If it's just a couple unique occurrences, they most likely aren't a pirate, but someone who got unlucky in the used game lottery. Pirates don't typically pirate just one or two games.
They could also look at the dates of when the specific cart (cert/headers) was registered on each individual console this cart has been seen on to try to figure out the chain of events and determine how likely it is to be a used game and where in the chain "the deed" (of dumping) most likely occurred, to figure out the actual culprit. But there are ways to game a system like that, so it wouldn't be a perfect indicator.
Not saying this method is perfect but it would remove the vast majority of false positives as well as lead to the people who actually did the deed (of dumping the games) for the most part getting their games returned to them and not being able to resell them, which is how things should be, rather than the burden being put on innocent users who just happen to buy games used.

 

[kyrio19]

Buying a used game from Facebook Marketplace (aka scam central).
What happened to testing the product or asking someone knowledgeable to come with you when buying used?

 

[l7777]

Buying a used game from Facebook Marketplace (aka scam central).
What happened to testing the product or asking someone knowledgeable to come with you when buying used?

How would anyone know if the game had been dumped or not? This is the issue people are highlighting, there is no way to verify.

 

[pacha69]

Mmmmmm, I bought a lot of games second hand for the collection, that I didn't even put in any switch yet. Some of them are sealed, which is perfect, but others are not.
Didn't even think about the fact the opened ones could be dumped
What if I try them in a couple of years, just to be banned a little bit after, it would be tricky to find the listing again

 

[x149te]

Mmmmmm, I bought a lot of games second hand for the collection, that I didn't even put in any switch yet. Some of them are sealed, which is perfect, but others are not.
Didn't even think about the fact the opened ones could be dumped
What if I try them in a couple of years, just to be banned a little bit after, it would be tricky to find the listing again

I knew Mig Flash will corrupt second hand market

 

[duderin]

I knew Mig Flash will corrupt second hand market

This will sooner or later be a topic in Europe. And to protect the consumers, it won't be ruled in Nintendos favor.

Let's see what happens. It's a big grey area. Especially, when a dump has happened on a used game unbeknownst to the future buyer and they ban both hardwares.

 

[Finray]

And to protect the consumers, it won't be ruled in Nintendos favor

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Nintendo has very deep pockets. If you think 'protecting consumers' will be take priority over political PAC's stuffing their pockets with Nintendo's money?... I fear you will be disappointed.
Doesn't matter which continent either.

 

[Taleweaver]

Guess I got lucky buying second hand switch games from "the internet" thus far.

Then again: I'm not planning on doing anything illegal on it, so i just contact Nintendo should it happen.

 

[duderin]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Nintendo has very deep pockets. If you think 'protecting consumers' will be take priority over political PAC's stuffing their pockets with Nintendo's money?... I fear you will be disappointed.
Doesn't matter which continent either.

Europe is strongly consumer driven. If there is anything the consumer himself can not be held accountable for, (f.e. a dump of a cart has been made, the original cart has been sold and the user, just by using a legitimate copy, is being banned because someone illegally made a copy of it unbeknownst to the consumer and played it simultaneously) the ban is highly debatable. the consumer cannot be hold accountable, thus the ban would be unjustified and a lawsuit can be brought up to make Nintendo not punish the honest user who can't be held accountable for as the honest consumer did not know about his legitimate cartridge has been illegally dumped.


for such a situation to become reality, it should affect a lot of consumers, not just one or two or three... but a lot.


and in the past, in such "unfair" circumstances, EU ruled in favor of the consumer.


i mean... why not? second hand market is there, the console is legal, the game is a legal copy... why banning the legal users console which did cost the user 500 bucks?

it's debatable and definitely not far fetched.

would at least be interesting to follow.