Trump allegedly indicted in a Georgia 2020 subversion probe

[RetroGen]

I seem to remember a whole lot of Democrats proclaiming that they “won’t take the Trump vax”, only to immediately change their mind the moment the new guy was offering them the same shot. Hmm… were there any prominent figures propagating this kind of rhetoric… oh, right, Kamala Harris, the current VP, did it on NBC.



Was that based on science, or are you willing to admit that a lot of this excess death was caused by partisan politics on both sides?

Trump didn't make the vaccines. There was no "Trump vax". The vaccines were made by medical professionals, not a criminal political hack. As a well-documented pathological liar and foremost peddler of vaccine disinformation, taking medical advice from Trump is about the stupidest thing a person could do (bleach injections for conservatives, excepted). If, however, credible medical authorities recommend a vaccine, I would take it, and I have. And if Trump recommended the same vaccine... well even broken clocks are right twice a day.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Do you have a source on having a functional brain?

source: i typed this message.

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Trump didn't make the vaccines. There was no "Trump vax". The vaccines were made by medical professionals, not a criminal political hack. As a well-documented pathological liar and foremost peddler of vaccine disinformation, taking medical advice from Trump is about the stupidest thing a person could do (bleech injections for conservatives, excepted). If, however, credible medical authorities recommend a vaccine, I would take it, and I have. And if Trump recommended the same vaccine... well even broken clocks are right twice a day.

im not sure what joe biden has anything to do with anything in this comment.

 

[RetroGen]

im not sure what joe biden has anything to do with anything in this comment.

Um... are we at the "I know you are but what am I" stage yet?

 

[Xzi]

Huh, well maybe its me then, because everytime i attempt to corner him he ignores the comment or pretends it didnt happen, i just figured it was faulty programming.

I ignore you because you only ever want to discuss my US citizenship as if it's up for debate. I get more intellectually stimulating conversation from my dog.

 

[Foxi4]

Some Southern Democrats were racists sixty or more years ago. This is well known history. The point is that you are willing to equivocate all day long about Democrats, arguing a spurious connection between the racist historical subset and the modern Democrats as if it has any relevance to the present discussion, whist writing pages pointing out the tiniest nuances and technicalities to defend rightwing criminals. Its almost as if racism and criminality don't matter as long as you're "winning".

And I'm not a Democrat. However, if I lived in the US I could see voting for them, but only because they are the obvious lesser of two evils under an unjust FPTP electoral system and because I don't like fascists, racists, homo/transphobes, science deniers, etc....

I’ll tell you why it bothers me, and you can take this to heart or you can ignore it - I don’t care, but it will give you some valuable insight into my thought process. The truth is what it is - it’s not for liking or disliking. You can accept it and live in reality or you can reject it and live in a lie you constructed for yourself to prevent reality from hurting you. It is a big challenge, and a massive risk to one’s ego, to accept things the way they are. Case in point, this thread.

I made a very obvious joke. I said that I find it funny that a picture of Democrats picketing against race mixing was posted in a post that was supposed to be critical of conservatives, which in the U.S. context equates to Republicans, in effect. What was the first reaction? It was not to acknowledge that this is a bit of an egg-on-face moment, not to be humble and to say that it is true, but to immediately deflect. Those were not real Democrats, those were conservatives, Dixiecrats, Republicans, the gummy bears, anything but what hurts the most - the truth. There is humility in acknowledging past wrongs - rejecting them by saying it was somebody or something else serves no purpose but to distance yourself from reality.

People wonder why there’s political division in America, and a lot of it stems from a lack of accountability. We didn’t do it, it was the other guys. That’s not a mindset that allows for growth or progress, it only builds divisions and barriers between people. It’s always our team and the other guys. The *natural* reaction to seeing a bunch of racists in a photo is to say “oh wow, that’s a bunch of racists, that sucks”, not to try and find every reason under the sun to call them anything other than their real name, because to use that name without 100 qualifiers is to give your ego a punch in the gut. I don’t like racist Democrats. I don’t like racist Republicans. I don’t like racists in general, on account of them being racist. That is a common thing people generally share nowadays. You can use that to build unity, but you can’t have that if you don’t live in reality.

All of this is doubly troubling when you see policies that traditionally would’ve been considered racist being propagated as anti-racist. The Democrats have a racist history, and what’s their fix for it? Affirmative Action, a deliberately uneven playing field, by design. Racial quotas, sex quotas, quotas of quotas to ensure every office, every company and every school is just the right shade of beige to be palatable, regardless of how many otherwise qualifying hopefuls are hurt in the process, their only sin being having the wrong colour of skin or wrong genitals to tick a box. It’s not good enough to have things equal - they must necessarily be “equitable”. There can’t just be agreement that discrimination is wrong, we have to pretend that it’s a good thing. We’ve been levelling this playing field for quite some time and given the crime rates, lack of generational wealth and broken up families I’m not so convinced that it’s working. Maybe we don’t need to give people a leg up, maybe we just need to stop putting roadblocks in their way. What was the prize at the end of this road? More racial tension than ever. It bred discontent among neighbours, because people don’t like being treated differently based on nothing.

So you see, I am a little bit ticked when I see stuff like this. Not because I care what somebody else thinks, that I don’t care about. It’s annoying to me because it’s ignorant. Because in this rejection of what is true and the embrace of fabrication people are treading in the same footsteps as their forefathers, they’re just holding different signs.

Do you understand a little bit better now? Sorry for the rant, this post will probably consume this page the moment I click the button… but I’m gonna do it again.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Another wall of text gish gallop

 

[Foxi4]

Another wall of text gish gallop

Read it, you might learn something for a change. It’s not for you, but it’ll be good for you.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Um... are we at the "I know you are but what am I" stage yet?

ummm.... i didnt bring you up at all?

 

[SeltzerMist]

Read it, you might learn something for a change. It’s not for you, but it’ll be good for you.

You're wholly unqualified to teach anyone anything

 

[lolcatzuru]

I ignore you because you only ever want to discuss my US citizenship as if it's up for debate. I get more intellectually stimulating conversation from my dog.

well id love to meet your dog, if hes smarter than you thats pretty cool, and thats not true, i also consistently mention your pathological lying which you also intentionally avoid out of fear.

 

[Foxi4]

You're wholly unqualified to teach anyone anything

I actually am a teacher by trade.

 

[SeltzerMist]

I actually am a teacher by trade.

That's legitimately unfortunate for your students

 

[Foxi4]

That's legitimately unfortunate for your student

Oh, it’s been a long, long time since I’ve taught in a school. I found a different passion, pursued it and now do what I love most. Your words can’t hurt me, you can stop trying.

 

[RetroGen]

I don't support either US party. Both are too far right for me, and not much different in terms of policies that affect the rest of the world (Trump might have been somewhat different in foreign policy than previous GOP, though certainly a major destabilizing factor globally). It's primarily the social stuff where they differ, and right now Republicans are working hard to be as deplorable as possible, ramping up the bigotry out loud and making law out of it. I'm aware of the racist history of the Democrats and how the two parties essentially swapped sides in the South. The last US president I respected is Jimmy Carter. What I take issue with is the clear bias toward defending Trump and Team Deplorable to the nth degree, whilst failing to employ similar diligence in getting the facts right otherwise. Crucial distinctions must be made when comparing similarly-named-yet-disparate political entities separated by over half a century. I say that not to absolve modern Democrats, but because it is necessary to serve the truth of the matter.

 

[Foxi4]

I don't support either US party. Both are too far right for me, and not much different in terms of policies that affect the rest of the world (Trump might have been somewhat different in foreign policy than previous GOP, though certainly a major destabilizing factor globally). It's primarily the social stuff where they differ, and right now Republicans are working hard to be as deplorable as possible, ramping up the bigotry out loud and making law out of it. I'm aware of the racist history of the Democrats and how the two parties essentially swapped sides in the South. The last US president I respected is Jimmy Carter. What I take issue with is the clear bias toward defending Trump and Team Deplorable to the nth degree, whilst failing to employ similar diligence in getting the facts right otherwise. Crucial distinctions must be made when comparing similarly-named-yet-disparate political entities separated by over half a century. I say that not to absolve modern Democrats, but because it is necessary to serve the truth of the matter.

As I said before, I stepped in when people were calling Biden a child molester due to his admittedly weird tendency to touch people and sniff them, I stepped in when Trump was called a convicted rapist because he isn’t one. I wear my heart on my sleeve and I make it abundantly clear that my sensibilities lean right (economic right, to be specific), but that doesn’t cloud my judgement when determining what is true and what is false - I accompany my every claim with a suitable link and extensive (maybe even too extensive) commentary. I would hope that other people, even if they have a different political persuasion, would extend the same courtesy instead of devolving into slinging mud and gibberish.

 

[Xzi]

People wonder why there’s political division in America, and a lot of it stems from a lack of accountability. We didn’t do it, it was the other guys.

Centrist/establishment Democrats suck, but not because they're guilty of everything Trump is. In total agreement that lack of accountability is the problem here, along with a lack of Americans willing to hold their own "team" accountable.

You put the entire nation in danger, you go to prison, and you thank Cthulhu that we didn't push for the death penalty instead.

 

[RetroGen]

As for affirmative action... Is it good policy? That's a whole other lengthy discussion... for another time. However, I disagree with the premise that it is racist, as least as the term commonly understood. It does involved discrimination. But that does not necessarily imply racism.

 

[Foxi4]

As for affirmative action, Is it good policy? That's a whole other lengthy discussion... for another time. However, I disagree with the premise that it is racist, as least as the term commonly understood.

It’s discrimination based on race/sex/insert immutable characteristic here, it can’t be anything other than racist/sexist/insert your -ist of choice here, but you are right - different topic for another time, in another thread.

 

[RetroGen]

It’s discrimination based on race, it can’t be anything else, but you are right - different topic for another time, in another thread.

All I will say about it is this... Let's assume you're black, and you are going to pick up your daughter from school, and she's the only black girl in her class. You drive up and see a young black girl and open your door for her to get in. You're discriminating based upon race. That's not racist as commonly understood. Not all discrimination is racist. QED

 

[Foxi4]

All I will say about it is this... Let's assume you're black, and you are going to pick up your daughter from school, and she's the only black girl in her class. You drive up and see a young black girl and open your door for her to get in. You're discriminating based upon race. That's not racist. Not all discrimination is racist. QED

It’s…it’s my daughter, dude. I know what she looks like. I wouldn’t confuse her with a white girl because my daughter isn’t white. I’m discriminating based on this being the wrong person. I might make a mistake and open the door for a different black girl, but that means I need my eyes checked, not that I’m racist.