Hacking [WIP] open source Kernel access on 3DS

[shinyquagsire23]

Hate to have to call you out on this, but your argument against enabling piracy doesn't hold weight when you're making source contributions to a GBA emulator....next to no one uses emulators legitimately. Probably fewer people than what would use a 3ds rom loader legitimately. I suppose that's neither here nor there, though.

Emulation is a different story entirely tbh, especially considering that no sales are being made (or at least sales where Nintendo/game peoples make money off of the purchase) on the console. And for some people, it's more of a preservation of history than it is playing pirated games. And also in regards to gaining ROMs legitimately, my ROM dumper begs to differ:

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In all seriousness though, I don't get why everyone always brings up the "emulation is still piracy" argument. Emulation can be used to preserve games and even improve their existing form as well, and plenty of people legitimately emulate. I only ported gpsp because I personally love the GBA as a platform and I've spent a good amount of time researching it and reverse engineering a lot of it's games.

EDIT: Also can we get off the piracy topic, this entire thread is practically derailed at this point from the proper topic...

 

[Kylecito]

Emulation is a different story entirely tbh, especially considering that no sales are being made (or at least sales where Nintendo/game peoples make money off of the purchase) on the console.

I hope you painstakingly check each emulator made to run on OSKA so it doesn't run games currently being sold on the eShop! good luck!

 

[Psi-hate]

People need to stop bitchin and start getting themselves together. The end-user shan't decide what the product is and isn't. Now, I am conflicted on which to use, to be honest. KARL or OSKA... For example, I like KARL for it being a lot more open in terms of what's implemented (Like NAND Xorpads, N3DS, Godlike Emunand, a possible ram dumper, etc.) instead of just a regular CFW that can have a warez loader. But then there's OSKA which will have unsigned CIA loaders and maybe make there source a little more RE-able... Fill me in on what OSKA can/'t do and what KARL can/'t do. (yet)

 

[shinyquagsire23]

I hope you painstakingly check each emulator made to run on OSKA so it doesn't run games currently being sold on the eShop! good luck!

(Well for one there aren't any GBA games on the eShop as far as I know...)

And look, it's basically the difference between stabbing a living person and stabbing a dead person. Sure, stabbing a dead guy is disrespectful, but he's kinda already dead.

 

[WulfyStylez]

3DS systems are sold for less then they cost to make, advertise, etc per capita. That margin is made back through licensing on software titles. Additionally, new software titles require a full, new dev team to make. Consequently, they need to earn back the cost of development through sales still, unlike many older games. On the other hand, emulated games are old IP sold off to make some extra cash on the side.

 

[dubbz82]

3DS systems are sold for less then they cost to make, advertise, etc per capita. That margin is made back through licensing on software titles. Additionally, new software titles require a full, new dev team to make. Consequently, they need to earn back the cost of development through sales still, unlike many older games. On the other hand, emulated games are old IP sold off to make some extra cash on the side.

Some of said margin is through VC sales, but that's none of my business.

 

[williamcesar2]

People need to stop bitchin and start getting themselves together. The end-user shan't decide what the product is and isn't. Now, I am conflicted on which to use, to be honest. KARL or OSKA... For example, I like KARL for it being a lot more open in terms of what's implemented (Like NAND Xorpads, N3DS, Godlike Emunand, a possible ram dumper, etc.) instead of just a regular CFW that can have a warez loader. But then there's OSKA which will have unsigned CIA loaders and maybe make there source a little more RE-able... Fill me in on what OSKA can/'t do and what KARL can/'t do. (yet)

use both! What prevents you?

 

[D-Rex]

That's it!!
Let's make a pissing contest and end this war!

 

[williamcesar2]

(Well for one there aren't any GBA games on the eShop as far as I know...)

And look, it's basically the difference between stabbing a living person and stabbing a dead person. Sure, stabbing a dead guy is disrespectful, but he's kinda already dead.

wow man lame excuse !

 

[Nollog]

(Well for one there aren't any GBA games on the eShop as far as I know...)

And look, it's basically the difference between stabbing a living person and stabbing a dead person. Sure, stabbing a dead guy is disrespectful, but he's kinda already dead.

ambassador on 3ds, and EU club Nintendo rewards just put up today.

wiiu vc.

that's the GBA situation on the eshop.

 

[willdunz]

gba emulation vs 3ds piracy? pretty sure nintendo is not okay with either. so yeah to the owner it's the same thing.

 

[Psi-hate]

People here just don't know when to quit.
Just accept that you won't get what you want by complaining, don't be a 4 year old in a supermarket.

 

[shinyquagsire23]

gba emulation vs 3ds piracy? pretty sure nintendo is not okay with either. so yeah to the owner it's the same thing.

One is more costly than the other. Nintendo is still loosing money on GBA piracy, but it's nothing compared to the amount they make off of 3DS sales. And for the record, I never said piracy was fine on either platform; it isn't. The people are are just stupid enough to think that emulation = piracy. What about Citra and Dolphin? I can guarantee if you ask a developer from either project if they support piracy they would say no. Are they enabling piracy? Maybe, but in this case it's more of a preservation effort which happens to also enable piracy of ancient, non-sold games (unless you count VC, but I already went over that). Enabling piracy on the 3DS has no gain other than to strictly pirate, nothing is being preserved at all which can otherwise be gained through other methods like eBay or offhand.

 

[ody81]

(Well for one there aren't any GBA games on the eShop as far as I know...)

And look, it's basically the difference between stabbing a living person and stabbing a dead person. Sure, stabbing a dead guy is disrespectful, but he's kinda already dead.

I'm gonna quote your post at my trial.

 

[Nollog]

since we never seem to get off the topic of piracy, +++Japanese numbers guy who codes OSKA+++. you said you know where people who enable piracy go in Japan... is that just jail or is it something special there?

I've been curious since you posted it.

 

[williamcesar2]

I'm gonna quote your post at my trial.

lol perfect !

 

[Kylecito]

One is more costly than the other. Nintendo is still loosing money on GBA piracy, but it's nothing compared to the amount they make off of 3DS sales. And for the record, I never said piracy was fine on either platform; it isn't. The people are are just stupid enough to think that emulation = piracy. What about Citra and Dolphin? I can guarantee if you ask a developer from either project if they support piracy they would say no. Are they enabling piracy? Maybe, but in this case it's more of a preservation effort which happens to also enable piracy of ancient, non-sold games (unless you count VC, but I already went over that). Enabling piracy on the 3DS has no gain other than to strictly pirate, nothing is being preserved at all which can otherwise be gained through other methods like eBay or offhand.

STRAWS STATUS = GRASPED AT FOR DEAR LIFE

People here just don't know when to quit.
Just accept that you won't get what you want by complaining, don't be a 4 year old in a supermarket.

but that's just the point of this thread, an open source kernel. calling the anti-piracy squad on their self-serving logic isn't the same as begging them for piracy

 

[ody81]

since we never seem to get off the topic of piracy, +++Japanese numbers guy who codes OSKA+++. you said you know where people who enable piracy go in Japan... is that just jail or is it something special there?

I've been curious since you posted it.

To China to work for an R4 company?

Edit: I'm curious too now, all can imagine is a Nintendo sponsered yakuza squad.

 

[Psi-hate]

STRAWS STATUS = GRASPED AT FOR DEAR LIFE




but that's just the point of this thread, an open source kernel. calling the anti-piracy squad on their self-serving logic isn't the same as begging them for piracy

Open source doesn't necessarily mean that everything will be implemented. It's open sourced because people will change it as they please. It's like a free to play game. Everything is a little limited until someone does something to add onto it.

 

[shinyquagsire23]

STRAWS STATUS = GRASPED AT FOR DEAR LIFE

Eh, whatever you say, I'm just stating my opinion to random people on the internet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯